http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=193039

Tried several emails to her, no response. Another provider in the same building said she saw her this afternoon.

...that was shilled yesterday?  If so, it looks like she had some reviews and should have never done a NCNS on a repeat client like you who gave her a great review before, imho.

No shit. I'm absolutely disgusted by her. I've seen her at least 5 times, brought her gifts and repeatedly booked 90 minute sessions so I could give her a reciprocal massage (which I rather enjoy myself). The NCNS was bad enough, but to find that she was there all day and never bothered to contact me just burned me shitless.

Then she has the nerve to try to contact me after I put up this thread and smooth it over. BAH!

They do dat. Ncna is no excuses.

I hate it when they do dat. No excuse.

I completely relate to the resentment you are feeling. It happens to all of us and if you do stay in the hobby its likely to happen again. It hurts far worse when its a lady that you have seen regulary and who you have grown fond of. This is a reminder to all that we clients are not as special to them as we think just because she made you feel like a prince for an hour.  No excuse for it though. And its so typical for the apologies to come only after realizing there can be consequences.

She tried to apologize later but never offered a reason. Apparently a couple wasted hours of my time wasn't worth 5 minutes of hers.

No big deal, I'm quite happy now with all that tension released
That AMP down the street is friggen awesome! If that Japanese gal spoke English I'd probably be infatuated with her. She looks at me so innocently when she gets busy and says "you ok?" with that cute smile. I guess it was my fate to miss Mia in favor of what's-her-name. LOL

I was not in the building until after I'd messaged you, Geronimo. Vivian and Olivia were in the space, but I was still taking care of my issues at the time Vivian had an appointment. I'm sorry that someone assumed it was me. A lot of other providers do not know who I am at that location yet, and I've often been mistaken for other women who do or don't even work there.

My personal life is my own and I'm willing to lose even the most valued client over it, though I am extremely hesitant and sad to do so. I'm deeply regretful of what happened today and understand that this has deeply hurt my professional life and reputation. My work is truly my passion, but at very express times those things have to give. Flame away, dudes; but know that I'm fuckin' sorry. This is all I can do.

I wasn't there all day. Don't slander me.

it was in writing, so you'd want to call it libel.  Sincerely, Mr. Pedant.

The appointment you blew off was at 11am and you didn't contact me until 6pm, half an hour after this thread went up. I emailed you at 12 noon and again at 5pm trying to find out what happened. You did see clients during that time frame, and I won't expose how I know that.

Enough with the soap opera. I'm going to take a break from the hobby, maybe permanently. This is the kind of shit I want no part of.

Sorry for all the drama folks.

If Mia is truly "fuckin' sorry," and she sounds "fuckin' sorry" to me, what more can she do?  

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If she had put ANY effort into letting me know that same sentiment during the 6+ hours between the missed appointment and the beginning of this thread, we wouldn't be discussing it.

Like I said, a couple wasted hours of MY time wasn't worth 5 minutes of hers.

.... I just asked if it was the same Mia as was shilled.   As we all know, it is called NCNS because of the NO CALL.  This is a text book case of NCNS, imho.  We all have personal and family issues, but during 6 hours, a text or call was expected.  This is a business too and good practices are important.  If one is in the middle of an emergency, a no call is excusable, but seeing other clients during the time frame...just bad business and perpetuates the thinking that we are just walking ATMs to some ladies  (and before any of you blast me, I am NOT refering to the vast majority of our fine MN ladies who have good hearts and good business practices).  The apology post appears to me to be simply a face saving measure.

One other issue, if this NCNS report had been posted by a lurker, then its cred would be in question, but as most of us know, The OP is a known member of our TER community so his post is credible and a warning to others.


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What you are describing is common courtesy, which might be, in this case, an unfair standard.  Remember that you are dealing with a woman whose life situation, what ever it may be, has brought her to the point where she is attempting to earn a living by having sex with strangers for money.  In many cases, this is indicative of a chaotic personal life and very little experience with the concept of "customer service."  

Consider who you are dealing with.  It is likely that this whole episode grew out of a personal issue of Mia's that really had nothing to do with you.  Despite what you took to be a type of special relationship between you and Mia, you are likely just a source revenue to her.  You can be angry if you want, but it won't change anything.

This is really a "thinking with the little head" issue. Consider yourself fortunate that Mia has made it clear to you that she is dishonest and unreliable before you got more deeply involved with her.  I can speak to this because it has happened to me several times, with far worse consequences.  In my case, I was told, but didn't listen.

An interesting reply.

As was noted by others, I did not intend this thread to flesh out as a drama bomb. It was a simple warning to others that a provider that I have treated quite well and held in high regard suddenly took a shit in my direction. It's a simple warning to others that they might expect similar behavior.

You say common courtesy might be an unfair standard. I think the TER community would wholeheartedly disagree. We promote the respectful and decent treatment of our beloved providers, and expect the same. Frankly, if we can all play nice no one ever needs to get hurt. You'll never see this hobby legalized if we have to disrespect each other all the time.

Remember that 150 years ago it was not only legal, but commonly considered a decent way for women to make a living. Many of those same "Wild West" women are the stuff of legends.

6 hours is not a very long time to make a post about a NCNS- If you would have waited a day and she did not respond with a reasonable excuse- then I think your post would have more merit- IMO.  
Not everyone, including providers, sits by their phone or computer to immediately respond to every email or text. Not all providers use smartphones for their hobby phone.

The one "fact" that seems to make the OP wonder is that another hobbyist (or provider) claims that she was at the in call during the day.

I know all these gals well, and many of the guys too. I agree that 6 hours might be short if I didn't know that.

I was referring to 2012 in Minneapolis, Minnesota.  TER and Backpage are not a finishing school for proper young ladies to learn etiquette.  A young woman that I had seen regularly, and held in high regard, decided, one day, to go through my wallet while I was in the shower and take all the cash and two credit cards.

It is what it is, and sometimes you will get kicked in the nuts.

It does point out one thing to me- we can't get so personally invested with a P4P provider that our feelings get hurt- I know it is natural, and your post was appropriate- just that I think you need to find another gal an move on.  Mia only "cared" for you because you gave her money and you are probably a nice guy. IMO only.

Our relations were ended yesterday as soon as I knew the truth about her. That was handled in an email. My feelings weren't hurt because I was madly in love with her... not at all. I was PO'ed because she wasted my time... time I could have spent doing other things. But I don't see this effort as a waste of time. I hope that every guy out there has what it takes to alert the rest of us to behavior of this kind.

She is not the same Mia that was shilled on Friday.

I understand that personal issues come up and occassionally you need to cancel something at the last minute.  I have a hard time believing that Mia could not have simply made a brief phone call or text message to advise her valued client that she need to forego the appointment.

That she elected not to do so indicates she does not want him as a client.

We understand that personal issues come up and scramble plans.  What we have a hard time understanding is why you didn't let the OP know something had happened and you wouldn't be able to keep the appointment.

Why would you conclude from it that he is "personally invested" beyond the normal irritation that a NCNS causes?

One obligation outweighs another and such is life, shit happens. But always lost on the offending party is the fact that when you make a commitment to someone to do something and then have to back out of that commitment for whatever reason, you owe, at the very least, notification to that party of your intent to withdraw from the commitment.

You know, in the same way that if you had a "real" job, and couldn't show up for work, you would call and tell them you weren't coming so they could plan acccordingly. But apparently you think, as many low grade hookers do, that the illegitamte nature of this business excuses you from that responsibility, or even common fucking courtesy.

But the result will still be the same - as you'd expect to be fired from a legitimate job for not showing up with no explanation given, Geronimo has fired your ass for the same reason. And just as a legitimate business might then hurt your chances of future employment by documenting your failure in this regard, he has posted notice to your potential clientelle going forward.

Naturally, you are fuckin' sorry -  for all of the thousands of fuckin' dollars in future fuckin' revenue you will now lose because of your fuckin' failure to treat him with a basic level of fuckin' respect.

People are ALWAYS fuckin' sorry the moment they realize the consequences of their actions, but seldom before that.  

Great thread by all.....I didn't know she was with Olivia.....who I saw regularly. She suddenly dumped me also,I still don't know why, but she had enough class to let me know not to see her any more and move on. I would still like to know why, but she isn't obligated to tell me why. My point.....she is still a classy,beautiful lady,and tho I would love to see her and do miss our times together, she had the decency to let me know when I was dumped....I think of her often, but have moved on.....there ARE other great ladies out there, most of them ARE classy......hopefully Mia will learn and not repeat......as LIP said....the regret comes with loss of income more than a dumb thing she did......

Well we have shill friday to let everyone know about the good providers maybe we need a thread where people can talk about the bad ones. We can call it Fridays flakes. Then maybe more people will share there ncns or total rip off stories. I don't know what do you guys think?

I hate to see wholesale bashing. Lets continue to highlight the good, and let the bad settle to the bottom where they always end up.

Stomping the guts out of people with mental issues or substance abuse problems doesn't make us good people.

Taking the high road is always the better path IMO.

Whereas anyone is free to report a NCNS at anytime so I don't think the situations are equivalent.  Plus it would be real easy for such a thread to turn into a real train wreck most of the time.

"I hate to see wholesale bashing."

I have to admit, I'm confused. Are you suggesting that "wholesale bashing" is bad, but selective bashing of an individual, selected by you, is OK?

Yeah, I don't feel great about where this went. My initial post was a NCNS post and nothing more. As I knew more and the thread progressed, I was clearly pissed off. My girl down in Sao Paulo Brazil didn't start calling me "Geronimozinho" because I'm incapable of feeling anger.

There's no doubt in my mind that Mia has some issues, but at the end of the day I'll miss her. We had some great times together. When I look back on the size of this thread, and the cumulative frustration that poured out at her over this NCNS issue, I don't know if she really deserved all that. She played me for a patsy and I didn't take it laying down, but at the end of the day I don't feel like I won some sort of victory either.

I noticed this was all guys and Mia the last 24+ hours. I bet that was one hell of an emotional beating to endure. Deep down she's a sweetheart. Let's just drop it and move on.

To seeing these rude women. How arrogant of her. I'll not be going to see her. Maybe shell rethink when she can't pay rent.

Thousands of dollars in revenue isn't what she will miss.  She did herself, and other providers, a favor by letting you asshats get all salty.  LIP, move out of mommy's basement, lose the thesaurus, and quit hunting and pecking around the keyboard.  Retire your misogynist attitude.  Your words mean nothing and you aren't even intimidating.  The only thing you did with aplomb on this thread was reinforce what a true dick you are.  Anyone with delusions of grandeur like yours should just quit the hobby anyways.  You of all people should know that MIA will never lose out of any money, but perhaps just weed out psychos who are considering retiring the hobby because his poor feelings got hurt by a woman who he honestly thinks he has a connection with.  And based upon his hurt feelings, he came to the board to get his fragile ego massaged.  Bravo, LIP, you white knight you!  Keep up the good work!  And in the meantime, don't basj ladies who provide a service that YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR.  
Let the drama begin.  PEACE!
Phoebe

Off subject of Mia... I do know (speaking from expierence) that if you become a little too much for 'Olivia' (request too much time or extras) or if she feels that your client/provider relationship is becoming unhealthy she will cut you off. Certainly do not confess your undying love to her......!!!!  BUT if you give it a good amount of time and you did nothing disrespectful to her, she will see you again with healthy boundaries. She does actually care about your well being and it's not just about $ to her. whoever she has renting the studio should not reflect poorly on her.

Why is "common courtesy" an "unfair" standard when it comes to providers?

In the real world in which we all live, things happen! If someone's unable to
honor an appointment it truly takes but a minute to extend yourself to
contacting the other party and explaining the circumstance/rescheduling, etc.

Have the respect & honor to do the right thing and not waste peoples time.
Not doing so is totally unacceptable in the business world or anywhere else.

     99% of the excuses are total fucking bullshit anyway.....
      I mean how many times can a Grandma die?? lol!!!

.....HH

Do you find it odd that the people who provide the providers with their fucking "lifestyle" $$$~!
Are called psycho's with fragile ego's delusions of grandeur as well as misogynists when a
provider is called on the carpet for misbehaving.....no matter how big or small the offense!

Not everyone on this site is a john, Phoebe ........
You certainly seem to project your anger inappropriately!

I don't know if you're a streetwalker or a DIY "specialist"

But it do know that your attitude is abhorrent.........

Unresolved Daddy issues?

Or just a man hater?

Ignorance is bliss!!

............HH

I'm gonna also side with Geronimo on this one, he is a good hobbyist not  to mention has a good history . In my opinion, I'd rather have a handful of regulars I can count on then have to constantly post ads .  
Ncns isnt cool on both ends of the hobby however no ones perfect. Should of given him prompt response.

which would have amounted to a big fucking yaawwwn. So, ummmm...ditto!

Bashing clients is usually a poor way to do anything good for your business.  Some providers seem to think they can get away blowing off clients because there will always be another one.  Well, that true to a point but only to a point.  You'll never know what you lost because of a bad attitude and other poor customer service skills displayed in front of a lot of potential clients. And while yes there may always be some other guy calling, we also will find another girl to call.  We have options just like you do.

Um MR? Im VERY confused Geronimo, I mean the handle reads:
" JBond0071"
"See my TER Reviews" & leads to Ms olivias profile
Plain as day, Talking in the third person at that?
LOL just noticed that is all.
Still not nice to NCNS.

-- Modified on 7/16/2012 8:10:16 PM

JBond0071 is a reference to "James Bond", often referred to as "Mr Bond" in the movies.

Thanks for pointing that out I wasn't paying that much attention.

Heh heh I know that, I own all the movies & a book of every bond girl in history complete  with nude & semi nude centerfold pages. ( maybe I'll let you peek at it
talking in the third person to detract from the fact you got dissed hard is what I see.
Just an opinion. Not meant to offend.

It is me, 'Oliviia'. I wasnt trying to hide that. I was speaking in third person to be funny. Ha ha. a lot of people on here can be such emotional Sally's sometimes, so I wanted to lighten it up.... And I felt the need to express why I stop seeing clients.
I also do not want other peoples negligence twords good clients to reflect poorly on me. The situation has handled itself and after this Friday, I will no longer be sharing my studio with anyone. Less drama this way.
Have a wonderful day ladies and gentlemen!