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rochmn 3481 reads
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I am wanting to get back in action somewhat. Pretty active back in the MFP days.  I always  
had a good reputation with the ladies.  My references are about 7-8 yrs old. I  have now encountered
the requirement of  having to provide my real legal name and at least 2 recent companion references.
Why in hell would I ever provide my real legal name.  These ladies will be missing out on some real
good experiences with some good guys. It's a shame, doesn't need to happen.

hazydavy74 49 Reviews 89 reads
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2 / 37

I'm with Ya ,  see if we can get a message to one these schedulers to contact us. Yeah right !

Pinkbeefflaps 75 reads
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3 / 37

Not offering a fucking tip to those fuckers for a click of the mouse  to send emails either. As has been suggested before on here.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 109 reads
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4 / 37

While I'm sure you and others are good men, hell even great men who probably do provide mutually rewarding experiences... there are a plethora of amazing men out there who have no issue providing this information to reputable providers. So one could argue the providers are missing out but the providers have a valid argument for why *you* are missing out.

 
It's such a paradox that in general, very high profile clientele usually have zero issues providing all their information but the everyday man fears it like the plague. Sex workers in the USA are prime targets for predators due to both the stigma associated with this work AND the illegal nature of it.  

 
Asking a provider to allow you access to their person in private without knowing you who are is… still wild. For many of us, our only goal with screening is to ensure that we do not end up in a life-threatening OR compromising position that would require us to divulge any information to any person or agency. We screen to not only protect ourselves but also our other clients AND you! Yes there are some BSC providers out there, that's just a fact, but the overwhelming majority of us just want to keep our head down, pay our bills, make a living, and/or put ourselves through school and/or grad school.  

 
Suffice to say, some of these clients *are currently* missing out on some real good experiences with some good providers. It's a shame, doesn't need to happen.  

 

N.B. I'm seeing a more common trend in major cities for ladies to not take references and only work with real-world info and honestly, I don't blame them. Also due to the competitive nature of the business, sometimes providers can get... jealous and either "go off via email" to the provider and the client requesting the reference OR undercut their colleague and themselves. I say this as someone who recently had this happen to them but it's the nature of the business so live and learn.

Pollenbroker 24 Reviews 90 reads
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5 / 37

Very well said.  

I've been in the hobby over 50 years and it's changed dramatically.  The use of real identifying information is part of what I''ve seen as a gradual "normalization" of the hobby toward a personal service like any other.  There are lots of good reasons other than safety for real IDs -- e.g., what if the guy has a heart attack during a session?  

I've never had a problem with providers using my personal information.

rochmn 123 reads
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6 / 37

Paige
I  will just say that I do understand your point of view.  I am just trying to present my side of the issue. But please, don't throw out this bullshit about "high profile clientele"  vs the "everyday man". It is really insulting and hopefully you should know better. In my case, I am an " everyday man"  who happens to be a financial professional.  I have years of experience dealing with clients in situations where honesty and trust are truly the most part of the relationship.  You have really insulted me and countless other men who are just honest guys trying to  make a connection.   If you had any idea about my history in the "hobby", you would not hesitate to see me.  But I get it:   woman's body, her rules.  But also:  man's money, his rules.

Yes, it is a shame

Pinkbeefflaps 122 reads
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7 / 37

Indeed both sides of the playing field are missing out on opportunities . Yet the fact remains each individual decides that for themselves. Whether the provider of , or the collector of the Benjamin’s.  When it comes to private personal information all people are pointing out , is if the standard of men being willing to offer , why not the same basic expectation , so both parties have the same skin in game on that issue.  

And the reality is there is predatory behavior on both ends. Physical is one aspect , and no doubt probably affects hookers more than John’s  

The greater willingness from high profile clients to offer more freely , Gets to the Why , and what differentiates them leveraging their hand, that that the everyday man fears. The access and means to have and make shit go away. Let’s be real and honest about that .  

 
And I’m not going to cure the jealous hooker or scheduler problem by giving personal info . That’s just nuts , and the sisterhood  and those acting on their behalf owns correcting that.

Pinkbeefflaps 102 reads
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8 / 37

Spot on!!!!  The emphasis on high profile , just screams of Golden Pussy mentality. Sorry not in relation to my privacy.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 119 reads
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9 / 37

Color me surprised. That escalated rather quickly. Something that I've had to learn is that feelings are valid but they are not facts. They are often an indicator of something else but not the entire truth. I've had to apply that lesson to this board when reading it or comments about me and I encourage others to do the same.  

 
Please recognize that my comment regarding "high profile clientele" wasn't a dig at you or other "everyday men". Hell, I  raised by an "every day" union man. I have the highest regard for the every day person as I am one as well.  

 
However, I was speaking from my real life experience. In my corporate career, we often told our clients that "perception is reality" which means we all have different realities to an extent. How one person perceives something isn't going to be the same for others. For me, my reality is that 9/10 I have more screening issues from "every day" Minneapolis men than any other city demographic/city. Again, not an insult but a fact that I have well-documented.  

 
It's unfortunate that my real life experience insulted you and others and I encourage everyone to consider why my truth sits so uncomfortably. Regardless, I apologize for hurting your feelings.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 120 reads
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10 / 37

I prefer caramel, honey, or bronzed pussy, etc. but I digress.  

 
It's pertinent to remember that when I say "high profile" I do NOT mean that those individuals are better than others - they are not. This industry is a discretionary indulgence and I believe that anyone, especially those that have to save up to see me or any provider, regardless of their status should be treated well. It doesn't matter if you're a construction worker, an athlete, a person in finance, a lobbyist, etc. All good clients (re: respect rules and boundaries), should be treated well!  

 
If I am being honest, I know that I will most likely not meet the majority of clients from MN TER for various reasons. Based off of correspondence, the desire to see me is there but the reasons to not see me range from my current body type, to my price point for my body type, to requiring 3 days notice to get $100 off a 1H or longer date, for requiring deposits for dates 2H+, or for what I require for screening. That said, people keep wanting provider interaction and/or perspective here. And because I know that so many will not see me due to my policies, I'm at a point where I'm not afraid to speak my truth here, no matter how uncomfortable it is for others.

 
I hope everyone has a great day! Thank you for the various perspectives and the civility - seriously! Take it easy!

 
N.B. Also regarding the MFP days, you had to be vouched by two providers and you had to give your real name at one point to be fully verified. So... someone had your legal name.

Huggybear3 8 Reviews 113 reads
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11 / 37

People on this website are living in the past.

Screening using personal information and deposits are now standard operating procedure.  I have used my personal information to screen and have not had any bad things happen to me.

This is nothing new.  I have had some traveling providers tell me they will no longer come to MN, because nobody wants to be screened and everyone wants to haggle over rates.

Jersey_Girl See my TER Reviews 129 reads
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13 / 37

I understand that there are times, periods and seasons of life that require us to pull back and focus energy in different areas of life.  I look at total history. I read posts. I pay attention to how a man communicates. Maybe a phone call would work or investing in a longer date (dinner first and I break away point agreed upon ahead of time if not working) as suggestions to express your interest? It just takes one to pop the cherry again.  

I have mentioned before that Covid has created this lag and lack. As humans craving connection, on both sides, we have to make choices. Some will trust their intuition and others will go back to old ways and wait it out or go without.

rochmn 96 reads
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14 / 37

Well then, Pollenbroker, why don't you just come on this forum using your real legal name

rochmn 99 reads
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15 / 37

Your truth  LOL...................

snafu929 20 Reviews 108 reads
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16 / 37

I probably won't see another provider unless she accepts referrals or has another way around the actual personal info.  I choose to never give that info out and if that keeps me from seeing a segment of talent, I'm OK with it.  For me, it's a bridge too far.  That said, there are options out there for guys seeking to gain some street cred (hate that term but it applies here) that will allow him to work his way into the local scene and thus have access to referrals.  It's an investment of time as well but there's worse ways of getting where you want to be.

I've met several that have accepted my proposition which is;  "I will show up on time and have the donation taken care of at the first moment of the meeting and at any point, if you feel uncomfortable you can simply ask me to leave."  It doesn't work for everyone but it's worked several times and I've never been asked to leave btw.

vantheman666 11 Reviews 113 reads
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17 / 37

I have always used my real name with providers. What exactly are they going to do to me?  Yes, there are the occasional stories of blackmail (Carmen Starr of Dallas comes to mind), but it's not that hard to make yourself blackmail proof. I should also add, if a provider were to fuck with me, I know some bad bitches (including my ex wife and a couple of my regulars) who would be perfectly willing to do a beatdown. It pays to have friends in low places, as the song goes.

rochmn 136 reads
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rochmn 86 reads
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19 / 37

I like the way you think.  If you only knew the whole story behind my original post, you would be amazed.
i wont discuss it on this forum

rochmn 118 reads
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20 / 37

When two adults are seeking the same thing, there should be room for compromise.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 112 reads
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21 / 37

Flipping to condescension is a strategy. Not a great one but we all work with what we got in our respective arsenal.  

 
Clients tend to bluntly discuss the truth of this business from their perspective (re: “suck and fuck for money”, “hookers”, “sluts”, “hoes”, etc.) and I would argue providers don’t get mad, we just take the punches & speak up or we leave.  However, when one of us (re: a provider) bluntly/candidly speaks up regarding the facts of what we experience (re: our truth) we are more often met with scrutiny or in this instance,  “you hurt my feelings”, “I would hope you’d know better”, etc. Although I still fail to see how my initial comment was insulting as it’s just a fact regarding my respective business, I did and still am apologizing for hurting your feelings.  

 
Alas, this exchange has been interesting to say the least.  

 
The game has shifted and the rules of engagement are changing. I strongly encourage you to join P411 if you’re that worried about your anonymity but even a P411 okay may only go so far depending on the provider and P411 has been infiltrated in the past. However, there are a plethora of providers on P411 that will take that for verification as it is. Best of luck to you in your ongoing search, I know there are providers who will meet you halfway by playing the game by your rules since it’s your money.  

Have a good night, Roch.

-- Modified on 5/19/2021 6:19:53 PM

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 122 reads
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Based on the messages I’ve received... from both colleagues and TER users... you did. So, we’ll agree to disagree.  

Anywho, I’ve got a date to prepare for. Again, best of luck to you.

lookingglass73 14 Reviews 118 reads
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23 / 37

As a fellow honest guy out here just trying to make a connection, I gotta level with you man. You have to be a damn snowflake to feel insulted by her initial response.

Huggybear3 8 Reviews 58 reads
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24 / 37

In 2010 I realized that reviews were just something I didn't want to do anymore.  

Since then I have mainly seen girls that I know and have seen many times.  When I do see someone new, she often requests that I do not write a review.  I honor that request.

This is my personal preference.  However, I think reviews do not carry the currency that they once did.  

vorlon 119 Reviews 146 reads
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25 / 37

Maybe you are personally in a position where it would have few, if any, consequences, for you.  For most people, even though there is more tolerance for such things, it is still a problem.  And while many people may be tolerant of it in general, it is an entirely different matter if that person is you SO, child, sibling, parent, other relative, friend, or employee.

Furthermore, "normalization" will never apply so long as you can be arrested for participating.

As far as the example of someone having a heart attack, the first responders aren't going to refuse to give aid until the patient is identified.  My guess is most guys carry their wallets with their ids in to the session anyway.

vorlon 119 Reviews 104 reads
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26 / 37

I can't speak for everyone but I was in MFP from close to its beginning and never gave my name to the lady who ran it.  In any event, it's obviously far less of a risk to give information to a person who has a vested interest in making sure it doesn't get out than to give that information to multiple providers, some of which are not as likely to be trustworthy.

vorlon 119 Reviews 102 reads
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27 / 37

I suspect "high profile clientele" are more likely to have the resources to have the resources to successfully deal with a provider who attempts to out or blackmail them without taking much of a hit in return.  They may be wrong about that but it would explain why they hand over their information.

Most of us aren't in that position.  The consequences of being blackmailed or outed would be much more significant.

-- Modified on 5/19/2021 7:54:55 PM

vorlon 119 Reviews 100 reads
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28 / 37

It's not a guarantee nothing ever will.

It's been decades since I was even in the most minor of traffic accidents.  I still put on my seat belt.

jtt_6 58 Reviews 108 reads
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30 / 37

I agree with you Vorlon.  It would not be worth the risk to me to give out my personal information.  Just like it was not worth the risk to me to be hobbying during a pandemic until I was fully vaccinated.   But everyone will have to make that decision for themselves.  Good Luck with it....

Pinkbeefflaps 120 reads
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31 / 37

And you are more than welcome to speak the truth as you see it , and actually it’s a great quality to let others see , about you.  

 
Just for clarity I didn’t mean you personally placed them above others,  only referenced as such to acknowledge what takes place in real world. And what those that may be very reluctant readily offer up information of personal nature know as well .  

You spoke your honest , thoughtful insights.  And that’s your right to exercise freely . Continue doing so as warrants. And  you have received a pretty high recommendation as a contributor on the provider side.  

Stay safe and just do you.

Jersey_Girl See my TER Reviews 126 reads
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I was blackmailed to be a mans sex slave or he was going to out me to the cops, my apartment complex, the revenue department, and social media. Didn't even take me to dinner first...insulting. We have to be Safe Sane and Consensual and a certain level of trust must be established before going behind closed doors. Come on... You guys know who's crazy or doing drugs, or not practicing safe sex and they probably all know your first name during pillow talk. Trust and Vulnerability go hand in hand...it's a dance best done between the sheets.

vantheman666 11 Reviews 106 reads
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It's quite simple: I'm "out" to everyone; family, friends, and coworkers. I even talk about it on my Facebook page (minus names and juicy details). LGBTQ people and weed smokers have used this method to normalize their lifestyles and get criminalization off the table. It can work for us, too, but only if the clients join in. The providers can't get it done alone.

vorlon 119 Reviews 124 reads
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It's nice that the people in your life are at least tolerant enough of your P4P activities that you can do this.  However, for most people that is not true.

OxDoc 107 reads
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Same. I've been away from the U.S. and MN for a bit but I never provided my real name to MFP, MNG or MGC. Nor did I ever provide it to any Indies. Three providers did know who I was as we'd become friends outside the hobby but that's a different animal.

lookingglass73 14 Reviews 95 reads
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super_champ 36 Reviews 83 reads
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I'd like to think nobody did.

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