It does suck that a lot of women are stuck in relationships like that!
I'm glad to be free & God knows I'll never let another man manipulate me again!
lol.. definitely way better then having the shit beat out of me... and having to bite my lip!... instead of talking... When I'm an extremely vocal (especially in the bedroom! hehe... lol!... i'm a screamer & moaner!! sometimes i wonder if the neighbors will call the cops! lol... j/k!) person with my thoughts, desires & opinions!... not the type to be stuck with an abusive guy!... at least not anymore!
Everything that I went through... definitely made me A LOT STRONGER of a person!
Which maybe in a way... I needed! lol. I only say that because there's a reason that we go through everything that we go through in life!
And I'm glad I'M THROUGH WITH THAT PART OF MY LIFE!!! ![]()
Thank you Foxy! ![]()
Have an AWESOME NIGHT EVERYONE!!
Although as a hobbyist I like to think that I have never seen a lady who was not totally independent, except for true agency types. However I have learned that some of the younger ones were actually being managed by a pimp at some point, if not then but certainly earlier in their "career".
The question is why? I have read about all the cliche reasons but am wondering why this sort of thing is still a part of the industry given how easy a woman can go it alone with the internet and a cell phone. I am not asking about those who have chosen to be represented by an agency. I get that but I am talking about those who pretend to be independent but report to a man or woman lurking in the shadows. Are the women actually being exploited or do they really want it that way. And I am wondering if this is more or less prevalent in MN since there are so few local "public" agencies.
Well, i'm certainly not one of the ladies... but here is what i've noticed.
in the last few years, there has been a huge "pimp" culture that has grown into popular culture, based on the music scene in some areas. Some girls actually enjoy thinking of themselvs as "ho's" and they think of their pimps as bf's. I don't think that's as prevelant here as in other parts of the country, but it's a lifestyle thing.
Other times, the "pimp" seeks out the girls. Sometimes, they force the girls into it, sometimes they are simply "persuasive", appealing to the girls desire for money and shinies. Sometimes it's their boyfriend that convinces them to to do it so he doesn't have to work. That's pretty low in my estimation, but the things some girls do for love is baffling.
Some girls think they need protection. Meeting with strangers puts them in a very vulnerable situation. They may not know how to verify a client, or even how to use the internet to any great degree to do that. Some girls are so strung out they need someone to manage their affairs.
So what this boils down to is that in most cases, a "pimp" is using the girl. Occasionally it's a symbiotic relationship where both get something out of it. I'd say 95% of the time it's a destructive relationship.
Sometimes, young ladies who are troubled, emotionally needy, looking for love, etc ,etc are impressionable and, unfortunately, they meet the men who would take advantage of them. And, yes, it happens right here in MN.
I think there's a mixture of reasons... and besides what I've read in other's comments already... I think that I do need to honestly say that there are a COUPLE GOOD P's throughout the United States... EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE EXTREMELY HARD TO FIND!!! And a girl's chances of finding one are ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE!!... Those EXTREMELY RARE COUPLE are more like money managers... and bodyguards!
Most of the P's out there though... have no idea how to treat their women right! The women's gonna support them... so why not take care of the women... because they'll still end up with a lot of money off each one!
I was with a couple bad p's before... and I had to run away a couple times... One ex put sugar in my gas tank of my sporty 2 door car... just because he thought I'd come back without any transportation! AND I'm still dealing with the crappy insurance agency Farm Bureau (Western Ag) who I had FULL Coverage through 19 weeks later right now!! And I had to have a rental for 3 months (out of my own pocket!) and now I bought my mom a vehicle... so, I just share hers!! ERG!! LOL! And I sure as hell have definitely had my fair share of having my hair ripped out, broken lips, black eyes, and my nose broken once!! All ONLY for speaking my mind that they needed to treat me better!! lol... as if that was soooo much to ask!!... or speak my opinion on!! lol. I've slept in 30 degree temperatures... in a car with a window half open... without any keys... and God ONLY knows where the f*** my ex was!! I was with them... because some times you take chances... thinking that things are going to be good.... Ya Right!!! ;-(... THEY END UP GOING DRASTICALLY WRONG!! LOL!!!! Because 99% of P's are NARCISSITIC PEOPLE with Emotional Problems!... And obviously most of them have Anger Management issues too!
lol. Although, there are P's out there... that believe that if they've gotta beat a hoe... that they don't need the hoe... because that'll only lead to legal problems 98% of the time! So, a lot of p's will not have a hoe that needs to be beat nowadays!! but, there are still a select few... as in obviously... my ex's!!
Another time, I had to run away with just the clothes on my back! That SUCKED!! Had to wash clothes every day for a couple days! lol. But, none the less I rebuilt my wardrobe soon enough!
lol.
I'm TOTALLY Independent now AND NEVER GOING BACK TO A P!! But, I'm eventually wanting to find me a significant other... that I can run an agency with! But, I'm not rushing it... and I need to see a lot of good in some one before I hook up with anyone again!
I don't believe in playing with fire anymore... which means... hooking up with someone... and praying they'll be the right guy... is not the route I'm going anymore! It'll probably be a year or longer before I'm even wanting to get into a relationship with all I've been through up to about a month to month & a half ago!! Trust me!! I feel bad for girls with P's!! I don't think anyone should honestly have a P!!... Unless it's those RARE COUPLE of P's throughout the United States that actually take care of their girls... which is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to find!! ![]()
Just my .02$ based off what I've been through! ![]()
PS: I still kick myself in the ass every time I think about how much money I gave them!!! It was hundreds of thousands!! LOL... Figuring the average girl with a P who advertises them the way they do... PULLS IN $1,500-3,000/easily in a day & depending on the location numbers can reach $5,000-$10,000!! And up too!
That's why P's use Bait & Switch Photos!!... I DON'T understand why the guy will still see the girl... but, they do... they get their service 85% of the time... and are happy with the service 50% of the time!
... PS: MOST OF THE TIME if your by yourself without a P... you will definitely not make this kind of money!!!.. So, that's one of the reasons girls go with p's... because they want that... but, they realize in the long run that with most of em... the money ain't even really their's to begin with! And that all the money they make is the P's!!
So what you're saying is that you were with your "P" because you needed some kind of emotional relationship, and that was the only kind of guy that would accept you for who you are, or rather who you thought you were?
NO! It was when I first started... and I wanted the BODYGUARD with me! I was scared when I first started up! lol
Sorry... I misread what you said! ![]()
When, I first started.. I wanted a bodyguard & someone to help me get into it!
Because I didn't know anything about it...
Then after a lil while... I realized that it isn't the easiest occupation... because you give SOOO MUCH of yourself to guys... And it's hard because sometimes... you don't get anything really in return for it... but, the $. So, it's nice to have someone that puts sooo much into you... a.k.a. a Pimp. But, I woke up & realized other ways to get those needs met... and then I got away from the whole Pimp/Hoe situation!
Now, I'm happy & free of someone manipulating my mind! ![]()
And honestly, that by far wasn't the only type of guy that would accept me! I have a lot of guys that have wanted to be with me (relationship wise)... and that are totally cool with what I do!
It's hard to explain... what a pimp really does... besides... makes you fall in love with him... and then manipulates the f*** out of your mind! And it's REALLY HARD for me to explain all this... because of I have problems conveying what I'm thinking/feelling into Written Words!!... Sorry!
Pimps coerce people into the sex industry. They do this with little or zero regard for the girls age, her desire to not be in the sex industry, or her safety. They are only concerned with money, and will go to any extreme to insure his property is not informed of how to keep herself safe.
They generally don't screen, which means they are not concerned about safety AT ALL.
They take.......which is all they do.....THEY TAKE any and everything of any value from the girls that are working for them.
Outside of ruining a girls entire business (esp at this level) they contribute absolutely NOTHING to any portion of the experience.
Not sure what to think about the link I attached. I can see where the client CLEARLY made mistakes, as in her really needs to study the newbie board. Beating a person silly over $700.00 is not acceptable....but that is that PIMP mentality.
-- Modified on 1/16/2012 4:23:57 PM
Thank you A! ![]()
A bit off topic but that link to the related thread just underscores why its never a good idea to invite a provider to your residence, especially one you don't know. Also, I think one needs to understand that just because a lady has a driver or "security" does not necessarily mean the guy is a pimp although its a strong possibility.
Very interesting to read this. Not just filled with assumptions but some real life experiences.
One thing I was thinking about was how it somewhat reminds me of ladies who stick with a jerk(being polite lol) BF or spouse.
It's all an attachment style that starts from our childhood and the messages or environment we where raised in. Which really sucks. Id love to nut a few guys a know that control their gfs and wives. Not something I could imagine let alone relate too.
Anyway little off topic but I'm glad you shared your knowledge and experience with us and it sounds like you are inns better path now and probably a much stronger person.
It does suck that a lot of women are stuck in relationships like that!
I'm glad to be free & God knows I'll never let another man manipulate me again!
lol.. definitely way better then having the shit beat out of me... and having to bite my lip!... instead of talking... When I'm an extremely vocal (especially in the bedroom! hehe... lol!... i'm a screamer & moaner!! sometimes i wonder if the neighbors will call the cops! lol... j/k!) person with my thoughts, desires & opinions!... not the type to be stuck with an abusive guy!... at least not anymore!
Everything that I went through... definitely made me A LOT STRONGER of a person!
Which maybe in a way... I needed! lol. I only say that because there's a reason that we go through everything that we go through in life!
And I'm glad I'M THROUGH WITH THAT PART OF MY LIFE!!! ![]()
Thank you Foxy! ![]()
Have an AWESOME NIGHT EVERYONE!! ![]()
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having a bodyguard around is nice. if a guy get to rough i can have him kick the guy out.. then again i dont work in the most traditional spaces..
i dont have to see anyone i dont want to.
i do not have to pay any bills
my "agent" pay all advertising.
I am allowed to pay for my own as well
a flat fee is charged i get my percentage
I get to keep all tips
i feel much safer having an agent/ bodyguard...
after being assaulted by 2 clients I saw for years i never want to work alone . with agent around i never have to worry about that.
its not for everyone but it works for me