The following thoughts and questions are spawned from several sources including the recent slowdown in MN, aggressiveness of Providers, a hodge-podge of thoughts, and thoughts from threads expressed on the board from the past. The main theme of the question(s) is what is aggressive? What is considered pleas for help, or what could be construed as good marketing. I’m also wondering what is considered the proverbial “GFE” or is it just a straight-up opportunity for “release” for both parties. I almost want to apologize for the brain-teasing/challenge, but I believe that things like this helps to improve ourselves in our continued indulgence in what we’re all here for. Expansion and conversation on the thoughts/question(s) is enthusiastically invited.
1) How do hobbyists feel… what do you think if approached for an appointment (unsolicited by you) by a Provider with whom you’ve seen? What do you think? That she may be desperate, or were you that good?
2) Oft times I get a thank you note the day of, or the day after. I respond in kind. Still, how would it go over with Hobbyists if it was the Provider who initiated the thank-you? Kindness and appreciation IS a mutual thing.
3) Sometimes I feel like a therapist. Some of you want nothing more than to just talk. That seems to be the release more than physical. That makes me feel good! Do you think ….might as well take the physical too? But some do not. In retrospect, do you feel…….”damn…..I should have taken the physical anyway.”?
4) Do you take this hobbying at face-value? Meaning….”I’m here for a reason. Stroke-stroke…squirt-squirt….Seeya next time….maybe”.
5) Do hobbyist feel/think that you are doing US a favor by being there? The question is born from some of the arrogant (sometime egotistical) attitudes encountered.
6) Providers sometimes get careless and/or arrogant too. Like hobbyists, some double-book, oft times leaving someone waiting for what is not going to happen. The best case scenario in the latter-mentioned would be a courtesy call, which doesn’t happen many times. How do you lash out to make it known? Privately between the two parties, or publicly on the boards, or official or unofficial blacklists?
My my…..in proofing what is written so far, perhaps some of these things should be separate threads. Still I am a glutton for information on how to make things better for all (and especially my friends). So please feel free to respond to all of the above, or just a portion.
Marie does bring up some good points. here's my responses.
1. I for one do not mind being contacted via email about specials, or maybe just a not to say Hi again. What I do not like is getting a phone call and being solicited. That's super awkward.
2. I love it when a gal I just seen sends me a note to thank me. It makes me feel special. I almost always send an email after a session and thank the lady. But it's nice once in a while when she beats me to the punch! lol
3. I don't have much to comment on this one. I love both the physical & mental aspects of my visit with a lady.
4. In my early days, I was in it for the physical stuff only, but as I've gotten to know some of the local ladies more, I enjoy the conversation just as much. Now I don't much care for the wam bam thank you mam!
5. It takes 2 to tango! I feel we are both there for our own reasons (what ever they may be). I for one, will always treat a lady like the lady she is!
6. My personal experience is, I'll give a lady a few chances, but if she constantly cancels on me, I'll move on. Most times I will not say anything in public unless it it relevant to a conversation. Most times I'll just PM the guy asking the questions and give him my experiences.
Thank you Marie for posting this. It's nice to have some nice conversions on here!
1 - agree completly - love hearing about anything special - do not need to be hustled but would love to have a email about specials - economy sucks
2 - really do not need ny feedback - love the ladies I'm with & hope they know it
3 - probably at my age I will say looking for he physical release - a lady half my age does not need me to pursue any other relationship
4 - same as above
5 - always treat a lady as a lady - or do not call
6 - have not had any negative experiences with any of the providers - I realize they have lives too - and if they cannot accomodate me at my requested day & time I will look for some other beautiful lady - you are all fantastic
1)I don't have a problem if a provider contacts me with an offer. I only ask that the contact be discreet.
2)A thank you is always nice. I see nothing wrong with either party sending a thank you.
I think I can lump the rest in to this. It is a business relationship first. I enjoy the physical interaction, but I very much love the personal intimacy with the lady.
Common courtesy should apply for both parties. Double Booking is not a good thing to do. Also be careful about overbooking, You should have enough time between appointments to prevent any conflicting bookings. And "No Shows" are not acceptable, if either party should call if they can't make it.
1. I am not a hobbyist, yet I find it intrusive to send unwelcomed (keyword) emails soliciting friends for an appointment. Personally, I keep a mailing list for those who want to remain up-to-date on my schedule. This avenue of communication works well for me.
2. I love sending a thank you note to acknowledge a wonderful time spent with a gentleman friend. I try to send these notes out within 24 hours of meeting, though sometimes my friends beat me to it with a note of thanks. Honestly, the best part of my work is knowing I have satisfied a client. I thrive on receiving “thank you” notes after a meeting. I think that is the single most important thing that keeps me in this industry. Though, of course, I do love sex.
3. I feel you, Marie. At times, I play the therapist role too!! But what better way to put to use my Bachelor of Arts degree in Psychology?!?!
I really enjoy knowing that every session is unique and that I may walk into a full blown sex bonanza or a talk session. I find both types of sessions to be rewarding to my soul as long as I am able to please my friends.
4. “Stroke-stroke…squirt-squirt”…Haha Marie, I LOVE IT!!
5. I think there are some men who feel they are “doing US a favor by being there.” Thank goodness the caliber of men I typically see are far from arrogant in any way. Further, most of them want to please me just as much as I want to please them. I appreciate this quality very much so. Thank you.
6. I am happy to say in a full year and a half, I have yet to be NCNSed by a hobbyist. Likewise, I have never demonstrated such behavior. I do not double book, as I strive to provide excellent customer service always. My friends deserve only the best treatment possible.
If I suddenly come under the weather, I call my friends promptly. If I cancel within 24 hours (rarely), I offer a rescheduling discount. I find it unprofessional to never call or email with an explanation. I do believe, as consumers, hobbyists should use all avenues (including this board) to inform others hobbyist of such behavior. These men deserve to make a well-informed decision on how to spend their hard earned dollars…especially in such difficult economic times.
The ladies have blacklist boards, the men do not. This board is an outlet for them to communicate with each other...in addition to ogling over hot ladies (see photo below...*wink*...I am just having way too much fun today!).
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Marie: Thanks for starting a wonderful discussion!!
Gia. We've met each other in person only once. Your writing....the intelligence with which you write....makes us sisters in this endeavor. If I could mandate.....there would be more like us out here.
1) I am not a fan of these.Unless I have really gotten to know said provider really well.And that quite frankly is rare.Otherwise IMO it does come off as somewhat desperate.The economy has made the ladys more "creative" but they must also realize that the same economy may have altered hobbyiests spending habits.I don't e-mail my ATF asking for a discount.
2)I've sent a few thank you notes,for an exceptional encounter,and have recieved a few as well.But I take them at face value.I can appreciate good business tactics,but always remember it is business.
3)To each his own,but I don't need a therapist.And if I did I'd go to a real one!On the other hand I have had providers solicite my advice on their personal matters.While I try to be understanding and will listen,again I'm not a pro.If I can,I may try to steer them in a direction that might help.
4) While it may come off as cold,that's it in a nut shell for me.This is a fantacy release for me.I expect nor ask for anything more.
5)I fully understand the dynamics of the one hour encounter.
6)Shit happens and I either roll with it or move on.I've been at this hobby for a long time and used to get upset at the poor business habits of some providers.Now I just do better research and always fly with a back up plan!And truth be told,my current ATF NCNS'ed me on our first date.If I wouldn't have been willing to give her another chance I would have missed out on a lot of fantastic sex!!!
1. By email, OK. Phone, no way. I like to hear about specials and schedule changes.
2. A note is nice. I'd do more but I'm busy. A review after the first time is a lot more time consuming than a note and will hopefully bring in more business.
3. Every guy is different. I like the physical part more as I have an outlet for the emotional part. It tough to balance being human with TMI.
4. In a 1/2 hour, what else can it be. I always book an hour, but I like to keep the focus on the sex. Wandering too far sometimes makes it hard to get back to business.
5. Nope. It's a very personal business. I like to think each transaction is a fair trade where we both get what we want. Sometimes we both get more if we both have a great time.
6. Privately, if at all. We all need to rememeber what this hobby really is. This isn't a Culver's franchise. We all have to lie to some degree about what we're doing so that means lots of things can come up (colds, kid issues, mom stopped by, the wife changed her plans, 35W bridge collapses, etc.) and throw off your schedule. If the follow up is done as soon as possible, no harm, no foul.
That said, the guys need to be able to discuss serial NCNS artists and the only way to find out is to be the one to start the thread. I have never had an issue, but I think if someone NCNS'd 2 or 3 times without a good excuse, I'd feel like I should post it. That is one of the main reasons for the board.
1) Since I have hobby only phone and email(btw I recommend this for EVERYONE), I don't mind at all! If it is someone I have seen, it is great to know she would like to see me again. If it was someone I have never seen, that would be an ice breaker for me. Now if the same person emailed me daily, then it would probably seem pretty desperate right?
2) I ALWAYS send a thank you note via email or text within a couple hours, many times on my way to my car. The ladies that do, get put at the top of my return to see list! Who doesn't like a note of appreciation?
3) I like both when chemestry hits. A little story to share my feelings. I saw a traveling lady, we set a 2 hour meeting. We chatted a bit and she was curious about trading,commodities and stocks along with currency exchanges. One thing led to another and I was showing her how to trade via one of my accounts, I made $11,000 in 45 minutes and when we looked at the clock it was 15 minutes from my end time. I logged out showed her how to get an account and warned her to be very careful, if she didn't know what she was doing she could lose the house in short order. In the two hours, minus her fee I still came out $10,000+ ahead, but when I got home I was pissed at myself. Great conversation with a gtreat lady, but I let a chance to get intimate with her slip away! She had never visted again and is now out of the bizz.
4) Yes and No, I am able to do things in the hobby I would NOT be able to do in civvie life, so face value there. I would always like to spend intamate time with her or I would feel like I let her get away, see above. BUT, I have to have a little chit chat and foreplay to set the mood. I'll tease you, chase you around the room, whatever it takes to achieve a fantasy ccreated in a moment of lust.
5) Absolutely not, at least from my perspective, I have gotten the feeling from a few ladies and it was a mood killer among other things. Worst sessions I have ever had. Egos and sex just don't seem to mesh if exhibitted by either party. MHO
6) In 150+ adventures with ladies, I have never cancelled or NCNS, NENE a lady. If shit happens and she has to cancel, I am game, twice in a row, there better be good rationale and probably an offer of a special to make me try a 3rd time. NCNS or NENE, I pretty much move on regardless if there is an explanation afterwards. I have had it happen to me twice, neither excuse given was acceptable in my eyes.
I feel that just like a second visit being the ultimate compliment for a lady when she has done me right. I think loss of my business is the best message I can send when lady NCNS me. And I do tell them I will not see them and why. I am pretty straight forward that way in all my business. I am not rude by any means, but I want a customer or business owner to know why I won't do business with them. I think it helps them make change if need be.
1. If the offer is discrete, I don't mind it at all. I have one UTR provider who sends me a simple text message when she has time. If I respond - great - then we arrange a date. If I don't respond she figures I'm busy or can't set anything up. It's very convenient.
2. I've gotten a thank you via email from a provider and it was a nice, pleasant surprise. I thought more highly of her afterwords.
3. I love being with providers with whom I connect intellectually and have great conversations. I have never foregone the physical, however. Therefore, there are no regrets.
4. Sometimes I just want to get off. Don't we all feel that way? But I don't set up appointments with quality GFE providers when I have that kind of urge.
5. I never feel like I'm doing the provider a favor. I can't see where that would be true.
6. I haven't ever lashed out over a disappointment like NCNS. That provider has lost my business permanently. Wait, I take that back . . . once upon a time, back when there was this different message board which shall not be named, there were some meet-n-greet parties. I did share some "beware of that one" stories in person with a few other hobbyists.
1) Well...since I don't fuck the kind of girls who would ever be desperate, I must be THAT good! Best 1 minute, 6 seconds of her life, I'm sure. I got the magic stick....
2) Call or e-mail me anytime, just remember the rules - no discussion of money, ever! Sexual acts though, are perfectly fine. Hell, I'll even have phone sex with you - my rate is $.99/ minute - Paypal accepted. Watch my voice get all Barry White on you, ha...
3) Psychiatrists who do talk therapy make a boat load of money for sure - but the median hourly rate for that service is still much less than what you charge per hour. So, in your words - stroke stroke, squirt squirt...squirt...squirt...squirt...
Ok I confess, there was this ONE time (at band camp) where the stroking and squirting got started and finished pretty early, and I neglected my chance to see how much gas she had left in the tank because our mouths were both working for uses other than their intended purpose (*just to clarify* oral sex IS the intended purpose of the human mouth, right?).
But it was far from therapy, more like tomfoolery and skulduggery. Her personality favors my SO in a lot of ways so I guess it was an instance of LITERALLY forgetting it was a service. Shame on me.
4) No, I come for the acting lessons, and stay for the shower at the end.
5) I'm not doing you a favor by being there, I'm doing you a favor when I leave. I'm best handled in small doses otherwise you may become addicted. God forbid I hang around long enough to let you fall in love with me. Breakin' hearts and takin' names...yep, that's how Durt-E does it
6) Well, lashing out in an e-mail to a provider would get me ignored at best, blacklisted at worst. Lashing out on the boards is another excercise in futility, her fan club will pull out their crowbars and collectively pry their lips from her ass in unison to defend her.And besides, who listens to that stuff anyway? People are still trying to book Katie Monroe to this day - that speaks for itself.
So, since I have no other outlet to vent my frustration, I just go and kick my neighbors dog. So unless you HATE innocent, fuzzy, little animals, do NOT NCNS me! PETA is watching you....
Personally, I love getting e-mails and PMs. Thank yous and notices of specials are even better! As for the rest, arrogent people are assholes. Who's got a great special for next week?! I'm still smiling Marie!! booga booga
1) I don't mind being contacted by a provider unsolicited, but it didn't happen to me until this summer after recent LE events and I was too paranoid to see her, because I thought I was being set up. Recently someone I see semi-regularly contacted me and I was disappointed, because I did not have the financial means to see her that day. 2) I appreciate receiving a thank you the day of or the next day. I often send thank you notes to the providers I see.
I guess I participate in this hobby for the physical part, but I also like conversation. The longer I have been in this hobby, the less I crave variety. I have 3-5 providers I rotation amongst and haven't seen anyone new in months. I like the comfort level that is reached after you see someone multiple times.
1) I would think she is trying to increase her cash flow. Just like any other business owner. I would not think it had anything to do with how good or bad I was in the sack nor would I think she was desperate. Trying to increase business does not equal desperate.
2) I personally don't send a thank you note. To me that is thanking someone for fucking me, just seems a little weird to me.
3) Talking or chatting is something I really enjoy in the "downtime". I like to find out about hobbies and tastes of the person I am with. You can talk a lot about yourself without giving away personal information.
4) No. I am not the wham-bam, thank you ma'am type. I have been with one provider several times. I like the "hourly girlfriend" idea. I get to have a connection with someone without the whole excess of connection that comes with a civvie relationship.
5) No, I don't think I am doing a provider a favor by seeing her. Just as I don't think I am doing the dentist, grocer, mechanic or any other a favor by choosing them. (Ya know thinking about this brings me back to #2, if providers are sending thank you's to their clients, maybe those clients start thinking they are doing favors to providers?)
6) I haven't come across this problem, but basically if someone did this to me then I would just move on to someone else.
"(Ya know thinking about this brings me back to #2, if providers are sending thank you's to their clients, maybe those clients start thinking they are doing favors to providers?)"
I send thank you's to all of my boyfriends after our dates. (Well, I try to anyway. I hope I don't forget someone.)
I do that because I enjoyed spending time with them and thank them for the fun and/or great time we had.
Why would clients start thinking they're doing providers a favor if she sends them a thank you note?
I'm missing something here, but I'm blonde, so I'm used to that.
1) It would depend on the circumstances. If it's someone I've seen enough to be considered a semi-regular and if the lady knows enough about me to handle it in a way that it discreet enough for me then it's fine.
2) I'd love it!
3&4) Some times the physical pleasure is all I am seeking (or can afford! ). Other times I want the whole package including the charming companionship, interesting and intelligent conversation, and even the therapist aspect.
5) I hope I never come across that way because I surely don't feel that way. I'm sure some guys do have that attitude. So do some of the escorts as well and it is a huge turn-off. I've not tried to see some ladies because something in their ad or website came across me as "boy, she is really full of herself, isn't she."
6) I'm not going to publicly blast someone for a NCNS the first time it happens to me. It's not that I think it's acceptable but the reality is people screw up. All of us do. Sometimes people will get better and even make amends if given the chance. Sometimes they won't. I don't think there is anything wrong with someone (guy or gal) saying publicly that so-and-so did an NCNS but I think it is better to wait a while and see if you get an explanation before doing that. If there is a pattern of that kind of thing happening then I think it should be posted publicly.
1) I'd feel flattered especially if she offered to buy 2) I'd be embarrased if I hadn't sent her one 3) Not if it was a good session 5) Yes 6) Unless an apology is received first,I want to warn the others... shake the dust from my sandals never to return
1) For the providers, this is mostly a business, and I have no problem with you contacting me at a later time. I have told this to most of the providers I have seen, and some have contacted me. Fine. If I have the time and the funds, why not party? We call you, you should be able to call us. But then, I'm single and don't have to worry about a SO.
2) I like the idea of the note. I usually send one if I really enjoy the time. Only one provider has ever sent me an email, thanking me for the opportunity and taking a chance on her. That would be SassyRed, and Thank You!
3) I have never done the "lets just talk" route, but I also schedule at least two hours so we do have time to talk. Probably it turns out to be some type of therapy session!
4) I take it for what it is. Fun. Hopefully by all parties involved. Again, I usually do two hours so it involves more than the stroke/squirt, although that has been known to happen!
5) I think we are doing each other a favor. Probably more of a favor TO me than to the provider! LOL! It certainly beats hanging out at a bar trying to pick someone up when you are old and ugly like me! Actually, I feel sorry for the providers who put up with me! LOL
6) I have never had a NCNS, although I did have a scary experience with one of the providers in MN (who got kicked off TER before I could report it) but except in her case, I would NOT report a provider if she tried to explain what happened and did not NCNS me again. After the second time, I would post it on TER.
Here we go 1-I wouldn't mind email contact since I have a private account (like most of us do and all of us should!) I would find it flattering. 2-"Thank yous" are classy and nice. 3-I like the contact both mental and physical so that is what I look for (my idea of GFE involves both.) 4-This is my escape from the crap around me and there is nothing wrong with including "stroke stroke, squirt squirt" and if it is good , then I WILL see you next time! 5-I hope the time is of mutual enjoyment, but with money involved I do realize it is also a job. 6-I haven't had this happen to me yet, but and explanation is expected and the polite thing to do. Good Questions!
1. I'm single, so I don't mind if I'm contacted. I'd prefer an email (since I can access that on my personal schedule) rather than a text or call, only because my phone screen may be in sight of friends or coworkers at times. It could get interesting having a naughty/suggestive text show up on the screen while I'm showing my boss how cool the Pandora music app is on my iPhone. LOL
2. I think perhaps my brain is wired different from many (most?) guys, but the little things do matter to me. I sent a sincere thank you after my first experience, and got a great reply in return. I think it would be totally cool if you wanted to take the initiative. It would be a big plus in my mind.
3. For the same reason, I need to make a connection with someone, and that requires more than just "getting off," which is something I've learned I can do solo on occasion. LOL That means that talk is important to me. In an ideal world, I'd like both, but it's hard to get quality communication AND quality pleasure on a short clock. More time would be far better (obviously) but my financial resources are not bottomless. Yes, I'd prefer to have my cake and eat it too!
4. Nothing bums me out more than being rushed. If my mind isn't into it, my body won't be either. True shared intimacy and some real passion is what gets me off. I'm too new to this and perhaps need a bit of a reality check, but my goal is that I'd want to experience something that gives both of us mutual desire to get together again (and again) rather than any sort of wham-bam-thank you ma'am experience.
5. No. I make no assumptions nor create expectations about your goals. I had a fantastic girlfriend years ago who was a successful exotic dancer, so I understood first hand much of her motivation for being in that business, but that doesn't automatically mean that I know what makes *you* click.
6. Gia's comment is an excellent suggestion when she said, "If I cancel within 24 hours (rarely), I offer a rescheduling discount." That's a very cool and professional way to handle things. We are all humans. We can get sick or have work or family or personal conflicts suddenly come up. Good communication makes all the difference.
Marie, what an excellent post, I am not very good at expressing through words, but will try my best.
1. I very RARELY approach a hobbyist and inquire about an appointment except for 2 instances. If they have posted on the board that they are looking for a specific type and I may fit the bill or if they are a long time hobbyist I have always been curious about over the years. I may write them once in a PM and say "Hi", that I have enjoyed their posts and always been intrigued or curious about them, but again very rarely. I have a naughty side too and it sort of turns me on to maybe find out about a fella, haha and they are under no obligation to see me. I have wondered about having a monthly newsletter, but so far have not implemented that and wondered what the guys would feel about that?
2. I try to respond with a thank-you note to friends in a timely manner, and always feel pretty bad if they beat me to the punch and if I have forgotten someone, I apologize. I think its good business, but also if I write one, it means I genuinely had a great time!
3. I think that we as providers may be some of the only people that the client feels comfortable enough with to share and talk with, it makes me feel good and also , sometimes I can relate and share a life experience with them also in general terms, but almost always the session also includes some physical closeness which I see as part of the "therapy" also , for both of us!
4. I have never viewed the hobby at face value, there are way too many facets to it. I do try and pick my partners as to whether there is going to be a mutual connection, I need that in order to do my best and do not view it as what was stated, forgive me for repeating what a wonderful lady states on her website, but I call clients "friends" after they have seen me the first time and that is how I feel. A business friend, a casual friend and sometimes it becomes a lifelong close friendship, but friend it is.
5. I do not have arrogant clients, but I would reply that the favor is mutual honey.
6. I rarely double book, but if I do, its because of my own absent mindedness, not a yearning to pick what is the most convenient and I will do my best to make up for it , either by finding another lady for them to book with or giving a discount the next time around. In the last year I have had a little problem with over looking and not remembering my schedule do to spreading myself too thin with other obligations, seems like I am apologizing way more than I should be and am working on that, but I would never NCNS and always try to make things right.
Ok, well, again, great questions Marie and I hope I can learn from this. xxxoo J.
I think that we’ve ALL learned some things with this one. WOWSER! The thread served the purpose of sharing things that I believe we’ve all thought of before. I’m impressed and educated further. I hope that we all are (including the lurkers who didn’t chime in).
To the gentlemen…..I’m not sorry if your email inboxes are suddenly flooded with notes of appreciation that you so richly deserve. Methinks that we’ve all learned a few things with the responses expressed.
Dude…..DURT-E (Yeah YOU)…….you earn the stand-up comedian award!!!!!!!! Now lay down and shuddup. Let oral arguments upstage you. LOL Not only did you splash some humor on this thread……you were informative in doing so. I think that most of us appreciated it you almost arrogant ass. LMFAO.
There were many valuable and informative tid-bits not mentioned (in the thread anyway). Views, feelings, and opinion-information that was shared. DANG!!!!!!! One bottom-line is that we all LEARN.
Ladies AND Gentleman………..this was GrrrrrrrrrEAT. Thank you all! I’ll try to come up with more thought-provoking/sharing and relevant stuff in the future.
I would (methinks that most would) love to read more from those who do not live on this board and have yet to indulge our little soiree here. More from those who’ve already contributed would be most welcomed too. In other words……..keep the information flowing folks. This is good stuff! ~wink~
1) Outstate perspective: if you know where I'm from and are visiting here from the metro, I'm appreciative of a heads-up. I can't always make it work, but I don't always track your site or read here, and if a girl I've seen let's me know she's headed this way, great. Every once in a while that leads to an appointment that wouldn't have happened otherwise, and that's good for both parties.
2) Eh, it's nice but I wouldn't react any more to getting one than I'd expect a provider to react to me sending one. It's nice but no big deal either way.
3) I hobby for the physical. Additional connection is nice when it happens and might be really nice if I was a high-enough volume consumer to be a real regular to someone, but I'm not so it doesn't really matter. Things don't have to be anything more than friendly and respctful for a session to be great imo.
4) I think face value works just fine.
5) No. The girls I see aren't trying to hustle tomorrow's food or rent, they are pros and they are good at their job because they like their job, but it's a job. That's fine. Marie, you're the only one I've seen who made it at least cross my mind that you might be primarily or largely in it as the best way to do NSA sex. That's a cool vibe no matter how true or not, I think it's a good way to distinguish yourself. If a guy reacts to that vibe like that here or there, it may be a small price to pay for the image you've got.
6) No clue, I've never had a bad experience and only one annoying cancellation which I think was just bad business, not badly intentioned.
How can you beat Durt-E's response? I'll try a few honest answers though:
1) Not sure how I'd feel. I know I'm not that good but I don't think I'd consider her to be desperate. I've had an ATF call/text me once in a while and since she used my cell phone it was nice and discreet. I'd be concerned if she was using my regular home number or email. Then again, that's why I have the "special" ones.
2) It's a nice gesture, but some ladies are busy enough without having to track us down after for a thank you. I try to send something to the lady or bring something to the session as a thanks. If it was special and we made a connection, I'm sure it would bring a smile to my face knowing that.
3) Depends on the lady. My ATF and I sometimes just go out for lunch, dinner or drinks. Some ladies you can tell just want you "in and out" as soon as possible. Or I'm seeing a provider purely because she's hot or has a "special" skill. Those tend to be strictly physical sessions.
4) Yes, definitely. Despite meeting some wonderful people, it's not a dating service after all.
5) Absolutely not. At least at first it's a business transaction, but if the chemistry is there... We can't enjoy the hobby without providers and they can't profit from the hobby without us. A big ego destroys the fun IMHO.
6) Tough one. Generally if it's a two-call, I expect she'll be there since I have to know where to go. I'll leave message that I'm there at the appointed time and will leave after X number of minutes if I don't get a call back. I usually wait 15-20 minutes depending on the locale. After that, if I haven't heard anything I'll call once more to say I'm leaving. Since we don't really have a "hobbiest blacklist", I may check here and see if someone's a serial NCNS'er (if I haven't already done the research) and post here. Otherwise unless it was a hassle to schedule or something that may benefit other folks, I'll let it go.
Bottom line is that I try to be courteous and rarely have I found that the providers have not been too. If they are I usually read it here first.
As for the GFE question in your first paragraph; an unrushed session, plenty of kissing, touching and mutual enjoyment works for me. Covered is ok for safety but a little fun needs to be had vs "get in , get off, get out"
1. I have sent out emails on a rare occasion but only to those I have seen or who have signed up on my mailing list. I usually only send something out when there is something I want to let them know about such as new pics, updates to my site, touring to a certain gentlemans city. Special things. I don't send them out very often though because I don't want them to be perceived the wrong way.
2. I do send an email thanking a gentleman for spending time with me. I think it is a nice gesture. I truly truly find something to like and take great joy in my gentlemen friends so why not let them know afterwards?
3. I tend to be a talker. I like to laugh and have fun and just let loose. I can and do get down and dirty too though! I am there for the guy so if he needs someone to listen to him and be supportive and nonjudgemental then I am willing to be that for him. If he is not in need of that, that is fine with me too. I like it either way!
4. I am here for a reason. That reason is different for each gentleman. But that "reason" can only last for one date at a time. I have no illusions about that.
5. Doing a favor? Not sure if I'd use that terminology. But, we both get something out of the arrangement. For me, it is more than just the obvious. I get great personal joy from providing.
6. I never double-book. I never NCNS. I have had men NCNS and I think it is rude and disrespectful. Simply unnecessary when a simple 10 second phone call would suffice. I get horrible migraines and have a family member with a chronic illness so there have been times when I have had to leave town on short notice. If I have to cancel, I do so in a timely manner and offer a discount or extra time to make up for it. It does not happen often though.
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