Ohh la la!!! Nothing better than a girl comfortable in her own skin - that has dreams and ambitions with full clarity, is smart, and is willing to work hard for what she wants.
Ohh, and not to mention - looks ohh soo SO sexy on that beach she's earned herself onto
Dream girl, look me up when you're back in town - it would be my pleasure to meet you. I am available most weekdays, from the hours of 8am - 3:30pm - and i have references!
For every 5 inquiries I send I might get 1 response.
Times are changing. Some of our favorites are still around and responsive but so many of the new providers seem to march to the tune of their own scheduler.
I have better luck with visiting girls.
That is an old problem particularly with new providers. I think we get overwhelmed with the business aspect of the hobby and can’t keep up. I look at this way, they are the ones that lose I still my money.
Don’t waste you time, if they can’t respond move on to the girl that wants you business.
It's even worse when you make contact and then all of a sudden for no discernible reason they go radio silent.
wanting to avoid confrontation. Depending on what the provider finds during the screening process, they may find it better to just go silent. Oftentimes, upon receiving a letter of declination, instead of the the recipient accepting that at face value they will respond wanting to know “why” they were declined. And if they don’t receive an explanation (which they are not entitled to) they can get very irate. That said, it could be a matter of rather appearing “unprofessional” vs. dealing with an unruly person.
How would you feel if you were a client (in this case me) and you reached out to a dozen providers. Within a week you end up with zero dates and every provider gone silent despite the fact you were kind, courteous and respectful. Examples of your common initial messages sent out are as follows:
"Hello Harper
How are you? I bumped into your profile a couple times and I'm hoping we can get together sometime soon. Looking forward to having some fun !
Best Regards,
Jim"
"Hi Willow
Was browsing TER and spotted your profile. Would love to get acquainted with you sometime soon.
Let's have some fun !
Best Regards,
Jim"
How about if you texted a provider to schedule a date and they asked for a selfie. You send the photo (an average looking male 6'2" 205 lbs in his late forties) and they, also, go silent. How would you feel?
What do you suggest I do differently to achieve better results?
Your messages say nothing about verification or that you've read her website, if she has one.
Granted, I think it's risky to send a provider personal information or even referral information in an introductory email. But I suggest that your intro say, for example, "I see that you would like work information and some form of ID for verification; once I hear from you and know you are real and have an interest in seeing me, I'll be happy to provide that."
If you don't get a response to an email w/ that offer, then I'd pass.
P.
but the messages you are sending do not indicate that you are serious in booking what-so-ever. Both "templates" you're using have an underlying tone that comes across as either 1) informational or 2) like a time waster. And if there is anything I have learned in my time in this business it is that if someone absolutely wants to meet you, they "come to the table" correctly the first time (or at least try to get on the right course by the second email). Please understand it's not personal - we tend to notice patterns and one that is fairly common is that whenever someone indicates they'd like to "get together soon" but they don't provide possible dates/times and or bring up being willing to screen, they are just fantasy bookers who get off to the providers photos and are seeking free engagement.
If you are uncomfortable sending screening information from the jump, I'd alter your message into something more like this:
Hi Jane Doe,
I hope you're well. I'm Jim and I saw your profile while I was browsing (insert platform here). I would love to meet you and I am available on (insert dates and times). If you are available on any of those dates at those times, please let me know and I'll be happy to provide the requisite screening information as soon as possible."
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Depending on the provider, you may receive and "auto-reply" that has directions in it. I suggest reading those auto-reply emails if you get one as sometimes there is information in them that help you secure a booking... the ones that don't read them are often the clients providers are trying to filter out.
Many providers don't have that level of detail in their ads or even sometimes their websites, if they have one. My experience is that it is not unusual to have to send general introductory emails to get back enough information to make that 2nd, more detailed email possible.
I'm confused? Which level of detail? My response didn't have much detail but more so went into the thought process of why he isn't receiving any bites to his inquiries. Again, I suggested he switch his initial inquiry into something that appears more "sure" and urgent vs. just an information type email of "I hope to see you one day soon." Hence this template:
Hi Jane Doe,
I hope you're well. I'm Jim and I saw your profile while I was browsing (insert platform here). I would love to meet you and I am available on the following dates/times (insert dates and times). If you are available on any of those dates at those times, please let me know and I'll be happy to provide the requisite screening information as soon as possible."
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However, based on what I can suss out, the majority of people are discussing MNE encounters/admin and that's a realm that's all on its own.
The level of detail to which I am referring is about her general availability. If that is in her ad and/or website, great. But my observation is that more often than not, this information is not available. This is not just a matter of MNE ads; it's common well beyond that. For me at least, having general availability is important in figuring out what time(s) would work best for me.
We get tons of messages. To streamline appointments, I love knowing your name, desire date & time, incall or outcall, if you're familiar with my rates & services what services you'd like. Send me that info instead of asking "you available?" If I am not, I will respond back with a couple of suggestions.
So they would rather appear to be unprofessional to everyone they decide not to see vs deal with the smaller number of people who will be irate at being declined? And why wouldn't these same people be irate at just being ghosted? Burning bridges unnecessarily isn't a good practice.
you're not the provider operating the business. Do I commend the practice of just "ghosting" people? No but that's because I'll just call it like I see it. However, not everyone is great at assertive communication and conflict management/resolution.
I'm also speaking from the POV of people who handle their own admin. It appears the majority of y'all are talking about MNE. Good luck there!
I know that but I am a client and have been a client/customer for many providers plus many other businesses that have nothing to do with P4P. Without each other, neither of us gets what we are looking for. I'm not a believe in the client is always right but the client is a client or at least a potential one. I'm not going to send a nastygram to a provider who stops communicating but I am still annoyed. And my observation is that this behavior has become more common in recent years and not just around the providers using MNE. Years ago, there was one provider I was seeing semi-regularly. One time she asked me why I kept coming to see her as most of her clients she only saw one or twice. I told her the big difference she was reliable and didn't blow me off. I've even had a couple of cases where a provider initially declined to see me but later one things changed and she did see me.
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Everyone is a little bit different but it is amazing the lack of response from some ladies. For example, there were about three or four ladies that i wanted to see this summer. My initial email to all of them went similar to the following
" hello ...,
My name is X and I had the pleasure of seeing your add on .... website. I'm very interested in scheduling a date and curious if you might be available later this week or next week?
I do have one or two references and if you would like information on them, please email me I can supply that.
Hope to see you soon.
X
That was my basic template and many neglected to give a response. Granted most of these ladies were MNE girls and I do know there has been an issue with the lack of response as others have complained about in the past
MNE is a vast array of agencies and a handful of independents. For obvious reasons, the Agencies must be very careful as to whom they grant access. Screening takes time and schedulers are busy back and forth emailing and scheduling Gals/shared space and confirmation emails, ect. Also, not all Agencies get along. References from a “rival” might not be considered or perhaps why refer a client to your competitors? And, when you have limited talent-space, you can afford to be picky. I suspect many ads are run to tell accepted regulars who’s available.
Years ago I traveled with a renowned African American Blues player to Chicago for several nights at a famous blues bar.Down the street from the club was a modern day Chicago speak easy, a unmarked basement bar which one could get just about anything from booze to drugs to Gals. Second night I was invited along and was granted access along beside my fellow traveling partner. I was told to keep to myself and never mention it’s location. I also was told a fellow named Mates would probably wanna meet me in the front room. Mates did indeed meet us, engaged my friend with laughs and hugs and gave me a once over glance molded into a glare. The balance of the night was straight out of a Hollywood script. The next day I asked my friend what was up with Mates and the front room. I was told “Son, Mates just don’t let anyone in. You got in cuz your lucky and you know me. Your the wrong color to be there, never take it for granted you got in”.
Moral of the story: Right place, right time, know the right people and if you do get in, don’t take your luck for granted.
I got a similar story here in the cities. I and my dog was let in the deep seedy underworld under a very shitty EDM club by someone named "Dave." After a night of partying with booze, drugs, whim whams flip flams, and oodles of noodles. I've found out Dave is the son of some mobster and decided in his sick mind to kill my dog while eating Cheerios in the seedy underworld. Needless to say I wore a black suit and took him and his dad out for some popcorn and a movie.
If some provider is getting all the biz she wants, then there is almost no motivation to expend additional work.
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If a provider isn't responding, it just means she has no incentive to seek your biz.
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If a provider or anyone is short of biz they'll rain dance until they get some biz.
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You're hitting people who don't need it. Move on.
You nailed it ! The demand for service is high right now. Some of us are just getting back into the hobby due to the pandemic and there's simply not enough providers to handle all the demand. Not only that, I've read on other message boards many providers have cut their work week and now only work two or three days a week because that's all they need to pay their bills. Now's a great time for new Providers to enter the business and capitalize on a great opportunity. Hopefully that happens and in the meantime it's going to be slim pickings for those of us not yet established in the hobby.
But if a girl is getting more business and she needs, she needs to stop advertising. There's even a few MNE girls that I've emailed and I've seen plenty of other dudes complaining about, who send out emails and never hear back. Some of these guys claim they are even regulars with the schedulers.
Makes no sense to advertise if your already jam-packed and you are limited in your ability to see people.
The provider really has no clue who is/isn’t getting through. I’ve talked with a few about it all and the providers are really in the dark as to what all goes on at the scheduling end
Hello Good Morning All!
As far as a response time, I always try to be prompt in a timely manner when I get any texts, emails, or calls. I'm sure that particular person you contacted might have an availability schedule where they can take it. Do they have an email auto response? I know that is a bit annoying to some but please respect their time to get back to you, I know when I did set up an auto reply some times the emails to to "Spam" by accident or default. After knowing this I took the time to respond to each and every e-mail explaining it was in the junk folders. Hope this advice helps.
XOXO
Ginger
Been a long time since I saw you but if every provider responded like you did would not have this thread/
Another reason you are so well thought of/
If everyone was as kind and sincere as you, the world would be a better place on a whole lot of levels.
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I had an appointment with Ginger a few years back when she started at her incall in Wisc.So I leave home after confirming and telling her my eta. About an hour 10 Mn drive I keep in touch on way everything is cool both anticipating our meeting. Pull into her place text her and I'm ghosted and never did text back to this day just blew me off. Would not say she is as kind nor considerate as say.
I am guilty of putting myself first the past few months. I was and will be traveling for pleasure. As a provider I find it interesting at my young yet mature age that I am trying my very best to live a well rounded and fulfilling life. It has been my belief from the start in the hobby that if I didn't absolutely love what I am doing and connecting with my clients that I need to do something different. I still totally love what I do AND I want to enjoy my free, healthy, untethered shenanigans. That means it may be a little more difficult to "pin me down" in last minute appointments or when the fancy strikes. I am eternally grateful for the opportunities this stage of my life has given me and I have experienced great joy from my clients and travels alike. Balance is key.
I understand that this can be frustrating for some clients and especially new to me hobbyists. I am sure that some of my regulars have moved to different pastures for more availability and I accept that as a cost to the choices I make. Those that have experienced me know that I am not the normal experience and I see them more as a highlight anyway to shake off the scripted revolving door escort vibe.
For those of you trying and not getting through, please try again I am home for a six weeks before I hit the tarmac again. I assure you that I am worth the wait and that I will be a much more energetically charged participant coming off of my trips. I am an extrovert so I need people. I am an artist so I need inspiration. I am a writer so I need stories. I am brave so I need adventures. All of this adds to me as a sacred prostitute and I learn more and more new things to bring to sessions.
Perhaps others are going through similar periods of growth or change. It's a different world today than it was yesterday and it will change again tomorrow. Be patient, don't take it personally. We all circle around each others orbits in exactly the right timing.
Florida in December and Paris/Rome in January...watch out Jersey's Cumming!!!
Ohh la la!!! Nothing better than a girl comfortable in her own skin - that has dreams and ambitions with full clarity, is smart, and is willing to work hard for what she wants.
Ohh, and not to mention - looks ohh soo SO sexy on that beach she's earned herself onto
Dream girl, look me up when you're back in town - it would be my pleasure to meet you. I am available most weekdays, from the hours of 8am - 3:30pm - and i have references!
The ball is in your court .
Betting you have a better response the the upcharge groups.
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Wow. I did not realize that after reading an ad you can't simply start the dialog with "hi, any openings ......(state your time frame)...". I figure then the lovely lady can ask for any background information at that point.
Are those the rules for massages also lately? I ask that because I have never reached out for full service. Must admit I have pretty much left the game. My old UTR massage favorites have largely moved on and I have not been active in filling the hopper.
Having said that I must admit that a trip to Jersey seems intriguing....
Frankly I've given up attempting to find fun, willing and able providers around here. I've recently found endless amounts of willing and available FRESH providers through a local site where new/established ladies are posting looking for business 24 hours a day. There's always tons of hot sexy young escort ladies available who want to meet NOW or very soon with very few disappointments. These Providers are looking for me just as much as I'm looking for them and that's the way it should be. Shouldn't have to beg for it and get turned down constantly. The local sites don't always have reviews but I chat/text with the ladies and ask for a selfie. Doesn't take long to figure out what kind of a provider they are. Also the ladies on the local sites have better rates and less strict screening requirements with no backlog. If somebody shows up not being who they say they are I'll simply tell them it's not gonna fly. I will use TER for this discussion board and keep my VIP membership to monitor the scene but that's all until things have changed for the better. I'm tired of wasting my time and getting zero results.
Post some reviews for these providers on here.
Recently last 5 days I have been contacted my a couple of gals that I have seen previously and that we both enjoyed each other's company. Could be be that they dont have to get a hotel, just stop by my safe place that they've been to with a fun older gentleman that knows what a woman likes and needs and cares about her needs. Treat the women good with respect and with the rite gals this can be a satisfying hobby, just figure it out.
For this is not only a business but also what I truly live to do. Knowing myself I know that I personally can not keep up with responding to emails while working and also trying to have a life. I do not like being glued to my phone 24/7. That being said, that I why I hired an assistant. I am not with an agency, I am an independent provider. But having an amazing assistant who is prompt and straight to the point. Is a gift. Not only do my emails get taken care of, and screening is done seamlessly, but I also get to help another person have extra income.
But I will have to say, sending a thought out msg that shows that you are truly curious about seeing me, will go a long way. We read into the energy and vibes we get from what’s written. I’ve denied seeing people if there’s something that truly feels off or unsafe. So be friendly, be kind, and connect with us as human beings who you are looking to share some intimate time with.
“You available” is not the way to communicate with someone who is possibly going to invite you into a vulnerable and sacred space.
I hope we can be kind and respectful of one another.
This pops up all the time. It’s not the girls, they are not informed and get taken for ad posting costs etc. 2 locations limited rooms lots of alcohol and more I suspect. Was previously near DT till some shit hit the fan now in southwest subs. it’s the owner and leader and lack of thoughtfulness in managing the business at this point. I have generally moved on but get frustrated trying to weed through the Mn erotica postings to find the couple groups who actually respond. I know the owner and the lead lady specifically and still I get zero response. I am surprised the whole thing has not come tumbling down at this point or been outed. Even a response would leave me less ticked off. I’ve spent 10s of thousands there but seems even I got pulled off their nice list.
Maybe one of the people who track the board for the group could opine on the magic way someone could either actually schedule with them or avoid their posting and wasting time.
Rant over. Sorry boys stick to traveling girls or independents!
Not surprising they have to change locations every few months. Last time I was there, there were so many girls there and so loud. The girl said they have about 8 to 10 girls working at that location sharing two rooms. No wonder they don't respond. Most girls just work one or two sessions a day with the limited rooms so they don't even need to advertise.
Are you sure they are ruining Minnesota Erotica? Maybe just maybe they are Mn. Erotica and of
Course charge their captives as well as Independent providers for adds as well.
Am also of the belief that when was around it was the same for The Erotic Lineup, which just never got the traction.
Not a bad deal if you can get your employees to pay for your advertising and also get your competitors to do the same.
To me, that raises the question of why other providers advertise there. There's no easy way to know the difference between an ad for a provider who is part of the Minnesota Erotica group and an ad for one who isn't unless one has personal knowledge about a given provider.
Is easy to figure out why they advertise there. They pay by the add and not a monthly fee approaching $200 they do for Eros.
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For who is part of the group not cast is stone but-!!
If an add is posted with a phone number or something other then a gmail it most likely is not one of the groups. Also if checking reviews they have posted on more then ME they are again not part of the group.
What I wonder more then the above is why more of these girls do not go out on their own as there are other places to advertise if ME will turn them down and enough have clients who will vouch for them and give them traction in the community if they do go independent.
I've wondered that as well. To the best of my limited knowledge, the current setup seems to benefit the people running Minnesota Erotica far more than it does the providers.
Hello,
Sorry that you are not getting a timely response from the provider you contacted. I don't use any "Bots nor automatic Responses" I always use my human communication approach to all my emails, sms or website requests by at least replying right away. Just to give you some hope! I hope you found some one who answers your emails in a timely response.
Have a good day!
Xoxo
Ginger
And that is one of the reasons you remain a class provider in this community.
Never have heard late, time shorted, or a bad day to go along with your communication.
You are not alone amongst the independents who actually respond to requests even though it at times is no- it is at least an answer
I can attest to that. You have always been very responsive and professional in all our dealings.