avoided tc area for some time due to covid 9 and high crime. decided to rent a room in my old hotel, I was sick of my small town amps, had no trouble getting providers to come to me. problem most wanted a deposit. I hope this is not the new normal ??

frankly, the pandemic brought A LOT of bad apples out of the woodwork on *both* sides of the equation. We've all heard the arguments debating the pros and cons of deposits so I'll spare any regurgitation on that front.  

Always smart and thoughtful responses from Paige. Very appreciated input.

No deposits are not the new norm and do not not fall for it or any other prepay scam. Just read a review yesterday, reviewer was ripped off no show after paying deposit. Even the websites warn you against it, yet we still get dummies who do it and providers trying to push this nonsense.Use your big head fellas.

Also I touched base on this in another thread where a provider talked about an OF account and dont try to "make a date" on OF.

Ok numbnutz apparantly you got all the answers, and more money than brains. You see a pic of a hot chick you'd like to meet, and feel compelled to send her some money on PayPal with the hope shes gonna show up, fool. I've been in the hobby for years and never paid a deposit, and never will. I have no problem getting a date. Actually theres very few gals who ask for deposits, I avoid them and find a legitimate provider who is not into the deposit nonsense. If your a chump go ahead your gonna eventually get burned.

I think you're exaggerating.  Those things were rare until the past few years.  Furthermore, there are many clients who have seen reputable providers for many years without paying a deposit because they are reputable clients.

They said: "Deposits have been common for a number of years"  
You said: "Those things were rare until the past few years"

For my part, I meant the last 2-3 years, at least in my observations.  I got the impression, perhaps wrongly, that he meant a longer period.  

I have never paid any type of deposit or given real world information.

I spend little time looking at touring providers so I will take your word on that.  Nonetheless, some reputable providers do keep deposits when they should be funded.  Not many I daresay but the GD board thread that BigBoyPants linked to is far from the first time I read a tale like that one.  I've also run across a couple of twitter threads in recent years regarding deposits where the most alarming things was the number of providers whose position on deposits was that once the money was in their hands there was no way they were giving it back regardless of why the appointment didn't happen.  The risk may not be great but it is there.

I've started to spend a little time on there looking around and following a few gals and what surprises me is the amount of pure vitriol some of these ladies have for not just would be clients, but men in general.  Perhaps I've landed in a bad snake nest but wow, some of them are militant in their anger.

It’s sad when someone feels that way in general about their clientele. I have to wonder what experiences led to that viewpoint.  I’ve worked in customer-facing jobs nearly my entire life, and there were a few customers I couldn’t stand to work with because they acted unprofessionally and were generally assholes.  But I put up with it except in a couple of cases where the customers became downright abusive, so I reported it to my management and they took care of it.  But in general my customers have been great to work with and I’ll do anything for them (within reason!).  If a provider has to deal with abusive clients, and I’ve heard from some providers that they do, that could easily lead to negative opinions about clients and even men in general.  

I've seen that as well.  I think it would make for an awful way to make a living when you hate the people on which you depend.

I agree with what you are saying and have noticed this more and more. Some of those companions have many followers; not sure if these are real clients or some guy in his basement. But for the most part, they're lovely. I was going to start a thread about this, but...  

One good thing about your “ Twitter Trot” is that you probably have learned of a few which to avoid. Through the years have gotten to know some very fine women and have become close enough to have contact separate from the hobby while keeping the lines from blurring when it comes to their work. That being said have been with with some and seen and heard the crap they put up or do not put up with and no wonder some get jaded. Have seen more then one for months after they were “retired” and felt they enjoyed the time together.  
It does seem though overall that respect both ways has diminished and feel it started sometime before Fosta /Sesta.  
Have had a few recently retire and Yes am not finding replacements or trying as hard to do so as have some  friends who are truly friends .

So the question is what if something happens on your end and because of unforeseen circumstances you have to cancel. If a guy has paid deposit are you going to in good faith return to the deposit? That's the issue that some guys have had with a giving deposits.
 Yes and I know the argument will just do deposits with a highly respected and reviewed provider but that doesn't guarantee anything as I have read on this board about guys being stood up after paying a deposit to higher end pros.

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No deposit. Nadda.
I don't pay a hair cut or auto repair.  
2 sides.
Nope, love ya J but no

this is where I ask if you are reading people's cancellation policies in full? Normally, I see my colleagues presenting two options when it comes to cancellations on their (the provider) end:  

In marketing, "perceived value" is the client's evaluation of the merits of a product or service, and its ability to meet their needs and expectations, especially in comparison with its peers.

First, I do enjoy your ability to articulate any position you take.  There's one simple fact that a lot of providers may not want to understand.  Many of us are very accustomed to, and enjoy a simple cash transaction.  It's easy AND impossible to track and leaves no paper trail or footprint of having occurred if done correctly.  I think the conversation gets blurred over too many people feeling their alledged hard earned dollars being at risk.  IF, big if there, I were to put $100 or $200 down somehow with no chance of trace and I lost it because of a travel delay, act of God or ghosting by a provider yea, it would suck.  Just like it sucked last night when I decided to throw $20 at a box of pull tabs that looked promising.  Got worse after another $20...and another... but I stopped at $100 and said fuck it only to watch some drunk ass hit it a few rounds later.  Didn't change my life or my behavior or decisions on spending the rest of the night doing what I had planned to do the rest of the night, next day etc.

is it a question of providers "failing to understand" or of clients being unwilling to evolve? Trust me, I genuinely believe "cash is king" and yet our society as whole, for the worse in my opinion, is slowly moving towards a cash-less existence. In addition, I have mentioned this before but there are ways to provide deposits that are impossible to track and/or near impossible (re: bitcoin can be done anonymously if you have the right wallet and use a bitcoin ATM - they are ALL over town and cash in a book mailed to a physical *business* address). And again, many providers are setting up LLCs that allow deposits to be provided more inconspicuously. For example, you dropped $150 at "(insert name) Consulting, LLC". That could be ANYTHING - you make it up, just stick to the story for your wife.

Paige give it up honey. It's a bad idea to send money to any one from an ad or pic on the internet.  You seem to equate this as if your doing legitimate business, and its not. You have no recourse when your ripped off. I buy things on line with my credit card and I have a guarantees from my card company against fraud. PayPal you have none. I'm sure there are more guys getting ripped off than getting laid, great deal for providers. Also LE if doing a sting would love it also, cause you gave them what they want payment for services now your going to jail. Guys dont fall for this use your head no doubt your gonna be scammed. How about this Paige cum over and service me and I'll send you a check.

quite ungrammatical whilst also providing false information. The only transactions that clients have zero to little recourse with are cryptocurrency and Zelle at this point. Disputes can and have occurred via PayPal, CashApp, Venmo, ApplePay, etc. This is why so many of us have a little note about you agreeing to our cancellation policies on our websites and in emails. And darlin', with respect to LE and this industry, you really have no idea how that works... at all.  

Unless you are are dealing with a $400+ hour smoke show provider that sells out everyday, a deposit should not be required.  

I totally disagree with you.  
Deposits should NEVER be PAID unless it is to a well reviewed 400 plus smoke show provider and then only if you are comfortable. You option on them is Yes or No -  
Sending even $10 dollar bill to the unreviewed gals on many of the other sights is a crapshoot as to if you will ever meet , what you will get if you do, and who you will meet.
If I were to send a deposit to someone it would be some like Paige but not sending a picture of my ID.
Would though show at appointment my ID matching my P411 account if that was my way of being screened.

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Bit of a false argument there.

That I avoid paying deposits whenever possible does not mean I don't value the services I receive.  It means I'll pay when I receive the services for which I am paying, which is a very common practice.  There's also the reality that when you are dealing with legal businesses, there are laws and regulations governing what each party may do.  Obviously, that is not true in P4P.  Of course, that is a sword that cuts both ways but it also neither the fault of the clients or the providers.  I understand why providers like deposits but from a client standpoint, all it does is increase the client's risk because there are unscrupulous providers who will keep a deposit even if the appointment doesn't happen.  I also think there are far more of these types of providers than you think there are.  And while I know there are many clients who look down on providers and vice-versa, being unwilling to pay a deposit is not a measure of how a particular client views the humanity of providers.

So, she has trashed her reputation over deposits, its well (?) known … and people are paying her a deposit, despite it apparently being well know that she is trashing her reputation.

Here's one.  A few years ago I wanted to meet with a very well known For years provider in the TC area.  2hr appt, she required a 300 deposit and to boot, required more personal info than I was comfortable sharing.  Given her rep  I complied but told her up front that my ability to make time for this was very limited and it needed to work, she assured me there would be no issue.  Day of appt, just before I was to leave for her place (I have a long drive) she says she has to cancel and we can reschedule the next week.  I stated that would not work and it would likely be another month before I'm free. I asked that she please return the deposit and we will catch up later.  She said she'd keep it until we meet.  I asked again nicely, twice, crickets.  About a month later when I contacted her to set up our appt, she had vanished and to this day is nowhere to be found.

Respectfully there is a difference.

Only in Nevada my dear. Otherwise illegal im sure you know that.

Thank you for your marking ideas taken right out of 101 now that your in the real world you'll see how it really works. Also thank you for your psychological evaluation you could be right either way the girls I see always want to see me again cause I treat them with respect in a safe and clean atmosphere. So I'm good and only warning fellow hobbyist about the newer deposit scam. Chow baby, come down off your over priced fee I'd love to see you PM me if needed.

WC, I hear you; I'm almost positive about who you are talking about. I tried a few times to set up some time, and it didn't work out. I got the idea she might have been a little *.

They were prepaying because she had a great reputation.  She has 6+ years of great reviews with an overall rating of 8+.  I saw her last summer and had a fantastic time without a deposit.  Then in late Sept - Oct she started offering a prepay special in various Cities.  Once she received payment she ghosted on them.  Maybe it was her retirement tour, way to get out, who knows.  The moral of the story is a reputable provider is only reputable until they are not.  My review list isn't long, I'm sure you can figure out who that provider is/was.

Do not even have to guess who and from what saw on another board picked up a nice retirement bump on the way out as well as a complete loss of reputation.  
The sorry part about that is a large portion of the guys if she was in REAL financial straights would have gifted the funds to her.

Yeah it's sad.  I had someone reach out to me about my experience with her.  I said it was great and wondered why he was asking, reviews spoke for themselves.  A month later I noticed her P411 profile was gone, came here and read the fallout.

I am willing to make a contract with you.