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Re: Couple more things to ponder
OmegaZap 7 Reviews 423 reads
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Good reply...  A lot of us have had sort of an ongoing "ATF" thing, repeatedly seeing one gal again and again, myself included.  The success or failure of such a relationship depends entirely on the personalities of the hobbyist and provider.

I am the kind of guy with whom a "regular" relationship works extremely well.  First, I am not one to "scope creep" and impose gradually increasing expectations.  I liked that we would communicate here and there over the course of the week and decide mutually what time would work best, when we were both unrushed and most "on our game."  But if there is ever ANY feeling like he's being rescheduled in order to make time for another regular, or for an ad hoc client, that can be horribly corrosive.

It is kind of like the difference between being a consultant and an employee.  A guy wants to know, and feel, like the financial security that his regularity brings is valued, appreciated...  That it ADDS to your desire to see him, spoil him, rock his world.

I agree 1,000% with this, especially:
Posted By: minn4evr
The women who are able make a long term monetary arrangement work are the ones who make a sustained and unrelenting effort to keep it fresh and properly balanced.
Fair or not, the success or failure of this kind of arrangement in any industry ALWAYS rests about 95% with the service provider and about 5% with the customer.  You have to be able to bring the same energy and playfulness to the 20th meeting as the first, or the arrangement will almost certainly fizzle.  There are some very funny quirks in human behavior, and one of them is this...  If our satisfaction as a customer drops from 100% to 90%, we will start looking for something else and settle for 80% somewhere else rather than settle for a letdown from the vendor we already have.

monthly agreement....
How many providers have this already and if so only one guy friend or more?

I was thinking of doing this, or offering it but if I did I would want it to be a super awesome deal for only say one or two  
Of my good friends.
So ladies if you have this kind of agreement has it worked well? And for those of you who have tried- did it work out and was the time clearly defined?  
 I'm looking for opinions on what you gentleman out there consider a good deal....just some general ideas.  

Also I'm wondering how often (looking back thru your hobby history) do you gentleman get a chance to see your favorite friend? & is your current time satisfactory or do you wish you had more or.....maybe wish you had better willpower?  
If these questions are too nosy feel free to ignore me. Either way happy hobby-ing to all.
Nothing but smiles & well wishes from  
Mindy  
P.S since I'm asking nosy questions...something about my own attempt with this, it was something I tried to outline with a handsome good friend of mine, but the time constraints he wanted were variable and I wasn't up for that.

thumper6969749 reads

I also apologize if this is also too nosey-  
1. Do you have your own private in-call now?  if you do hotel meetings, it would make sense to get a love nest.
2. Do you have some clients that see you at least weekly now?

If I were one of those clients I think a monthly pre pay is a legitimate program- "x" number of visits for "x" $$ at a nicely reduced rate.  
 I would prefer longer dates, maybe 3 hrs that might include some social time together
I would think 3 or 4 clients who would commit to a program might do this, if not you would still be free to fill the time with others.  It might be more difficult for one or two clients (friends) only
You might schedule by the week- and I would think you would need to be flexible  

You have to know what you need to make every month- knowing your schedule is booked makes life easier for you, I presume.

What's nice for you about one of these types of arrangements is that YOU get to choose-  

I like to commit to see someone special frequently, and a guy still can play the field.  

This is the proverbial win-win kind of deal

just some random thoughts

Good thoughts and questions, thanks...yes I have a private incall.
Yes I have, and have had friends I see once a week or every other week.  
I have major flexibility, yet really need clearly defined times,
 not a time that may start and end differently each meeting.  
I'm able to book for a longer visit too. It's nice to know there are men who enjoy their frequent  
Fun time and may like more of it.

It wasn't a monthly deal. It was just an agreement for a specific number of appointments, all the same length, paid for in advance in exchange for a discount. I like to think of it as  having more fun than I can actually afford to have. Ya gotta love that.

I like this plan, but I am just wondering what the coupon booklet looks like. Maybe there could be coupons for specific acts, sort of like the old Disneyland model where you only had a few "E" tickets. Or, how about a punch card?

Now there's a business man with some good marketing ideas

Posted By: jchan113
I like this plan, but I am just wondering what the coupon booklet looks like. Maybe there could be coupons for specific acts, sort of like the old Disneyland model where you only had a few "E" tickets. Or, how about a punch card?

I agree that in the right situation, this can be a great agreement for both parties. I also feel if a provider agree to something like this, it gives the hobbyist more incentive to see that provider. From a hobbyist perspective either a reduced rate or some extended time would probably be nice. Also being able to spend quality time with their favorite or chosen provider can only mean a better experience for both parties. From the provider perspective there is either a one time nice bonus or a regular bonus. Another idea could be if a provider has a rate of $300.00 per hour, maybe she reduces that to $200.00 per hour. That could give the hobbyist the incentive to book 2 hours or 2 one hour appointments depending on their budget.
Great thinking.

Otherwise it would be very easy for one person to end up feeling taken advantage of.

For me personally, too rigid of a schedule would be difficult; what works best for me varies somewhat during the course of the year and of course other events, usually family related, happen from time to time as well and not always at a time where they wouldn't conflict.

I agree it would have to have clear guidelines & of course there would have to be trust  
That the provider will have no problem accommodating circumstance (say switching days)when necessary.  
And I would think every other mon.- and / or every other thu.
OR every Friday or x time frame  on either Y day or Z day of each week.
Would be some examples, there could also be a such and such month will be skipped due to family/work obligations.  
So you know there would need to be definition as is the case with most agreements.

bosssik510 reads

I think that from the hobbyists stand point we are looking for either a substantial discount or bonus time or both. Preferred status for being a frequent flyer. I would think that most providers would prefer giving bonus time ( pay for 2 hours get the 3rd hour free ) as opposed to a discount which reduces revenue. Also having a regular friend weekly or biweekly for 2 hours ( and giving a bonus hour ) saves the provider the time they would otherwise spend screening, preparing for and cleaning up after each 1 hour date with 2 new clients each week. Not to mention the advertising and promotion that it must take to fill the schedule so that you achieve the revenue you need. It seems to me a special arrangement with a desirable regular would be Win / Win.

And there is always the sexy  idea of a "kept woman"  
I think if the gal has ulterior reasons other than just trying to make sure certain ends meet...  
Like maybe they enjoy their location and need to consider traffic and actually enjoy a very low volume lifestyle,  
She would be offering a deal to a man she already enjoys (therefore already screened) and who obviously has interest in her  
If she is already low volume any "clean up time " is a moot point. Also if said provider has a few fans already she can  keep on either way, some agreements may actually "take her out of circulation" to a point when it comes to meeting new friends.
       but as someone nicely pointed out -the screening must go on and a try out with a new friend now and then would have to occur somewhat regularly simply because good friends come & go and have lives to lead. All that being said. Depending on how many good friends a gal has and how much time & flexibility she has for the hobby, agreements could become a real game changer and not in the "frequent flyer" "punch card" sort of way.

rochmn392 reads

I understand your point, but I would not feel the need to "try out" to make the "team". However, I do understand the woman's need to not have too many regulars. You always seem to be able to introduce adult topics on this board. Appreciated.

Posted By: Mindyzurgirl
And there is always the sexy  idea of a "kept woman"  
 I think if the gal has ulterior reasons other than just trying to make sure certain ends meet...  
 Like maybe they enjoy their location and need to consider traffic and actually enjoy a very low volume lifestyle,  
 She would be offering a deal to a man she already enjoys (therefore already screened) and who obviously has interest in her  
 If she is already low volume any "clean up time " is a moot point. Also if said provider has a few fans already she can  keep on either way, some agreements may actually "take her out of circulation" to a point when it comes to meeting new friends.  
        but as someone nicely pointed out -the screening must go on and a try out with a new friend now and then would have to occur somewhat regularly simply because good friends come & go and have lives to lead. All that being said. Depending on how many good friends a gal has and how much time & flexibility she has for the hobby, agreements could become a real game changer and not in the "frequent flyer" "punch card" sort of way.

Sort of flip sides to the coin of frequency.

First is boundaries. If you already like the guy and he likes you, and you start seeing him weekly, what are the odds that someone will eventually start thinking it is something more than it is? If you decide it has to stop, how do you disentangle yourself from the connection? Boundaries are important. Some guys around here are borderline irrational about a certain woman, and I really wonder how it could have gotten that bad if they had not lost track of their boundaries at some point. There are women I have been seeing for two years now and I have to slap myself around occasionally, even though I see them only sporadically.

Second is the wife effect. Say you meet the guy weekly for a year. By the 51st or 52nd meeting will you still be able to bring that same enthusiasm to the table every time? Will he? Gotta remember that familiarity may not breed contempt, but it surely does breed familiarity. The first time you find yourself contemplating a message like "Can we reschedule? I'm tired/I have a headache/I'm too busy today." you'll need to take a hard look at the arrangement. And if you get the urge to stop giving him blowjobs ... danger Will Robinson. And if you ever hear "Say, are you putting on weight?" I'm just sayin'.  

For a lot of guys, their work is done once they lay down the envelope so the burden is on you. The women who are able make a long term monetary arrangement work are the ones who make a sustained and unrelenting effort to keep it fresh and properly balanced.

Good reply...  A lot of us have had sort of an ongoing "ATF" thing, repeatedly seeing one gal again and again, myself included.  The success or failure of such a relationship depends entirely on the personalities of the hobbyist and provider.

I am the kind of guy with whom a "regular" relationship works extremely well.  First, I am not one to "scope creep" and impose gradually increasing expectations.  I liked that we would communicate here and there over the course of the week and decide mutually what time would work best, when we were both unrushed and most "on our game."  But if there is ever ANY feeling like he's being rescheduled in order to make time for another regular, or for an ad hoc client, that can be horribly corrosive.

It is kind of like the difference between being a consultant and an employee.  A guy wants to know, and feel, like the financial security that his regularity brings is valued, appreciated...  That it ADDS to your desire to see him, spoil him, rock his world.

I agree 1,000% with this, especially:

Posted By: minn4evr
The women who are able make a long term monetary arrangement work are the ones who make a sustained and unrelenting effort to keep it fresh and properly balanced.
Fair or not, the success or failure of this kind of arrangement in any industry ALWAYS rests about 95% with the service provider and about 5% with the customer.  You have to be able to bring the same energy and playfulness to the 20th meeting as the first, or the arrangement will almost certainly fizzle.  There are some very funny quirks in human behavior, and one of them is this...  If our satisfaction as a customer drops from 100% to 90%, we will start looking for something else and settle for 80% somewhere else rather than settle for a letdown from the vendor we already have.

Foot-In-The-Door Phenomenon
By starting with a discount you could be allowing steps to allow further requests from you. Once something is started, say a discount of your valuable time, then you are more likely to allow other types of offers in the future. These you might not find favorable. Small offers can turn to larger offers over time.  The exchange is nice and makes since but what happens if they lower the frequency or take more of your time.  

Mere Exposure Effect
The more you see a client the more you are likely to have feelings for them or you are more likely you are to find them attractive. This effect, however at easy it can make you feel, can be use to take advantage of people. Companies use this to take advantage of consumers often. You have seen these gents and by effect are willing to offer then discounts.  

I have been offered discounts and I have never taken advantage of any of them. The thing to remember is that this is a business transaction.  

Becareful of your business, becareful of yourself. Once it has become more personal you cannot go back. You can easily ruin a good thing. Plus you really have no idea who you are meeting. I know I can put on a act for a couple hours

The problems mentioned are not exclusive to any agreement you might want to make. If either of you can't say no to an offer in making or to change an arrangement, they are going to have problems with all of their boundaries, if you think she is getting bored, or you are, discuss the problem or change the "deal".

I think it's a great idea to offer a discount if you have someone you enjoy being with if they agree to some kind of schedule.

Nothing is perfect and nothing lasts forever.

If I had a large enough budget and was offered a deal, I would give it some thought, especially if I don't feel a "need" for a lot of variety. Of course if I could afford that as well great.

When I had a job "servicing" a lot of customers, I certainly wished I could have given "deals" or "discounts" in order to both stay busy enough to make money and spend time people that were pleasant to work with!!!!!!

Thank you so much for the feedback guys. I'm truly surprised at the honest, thoughtfulness  
That people have responded with. I will say most of the points are excellent, some are non-issues because I know myself VERY well & am not worried about boredom or weight gain....realistically people get bored all the time and as it was pointed out it communication is key & I take as much pride in having thick skin as I do in keeping it soft ;) (skin that is)  
     LOL  I'm such a dork right ? Anyway again thanks to everyone, though I do wish some of the gals would share a little about their own experience....or thoughts on this topic.  
=)

Sailana543 reads

..... do I get to see my favorite friend? Not nearly enough! If only work and life and money weren't a problem, I'd see my favorite friend a LOT more often than I do. As it is, I try to see her at least every 3-4 weeks. But there's no special arrangement, no set schedule ('tho I do have my preferred days/times), and no "volume discounts". No commitment on either side. And that's the way I like it, since I can't commit to seeing her X times in a given period, let alone on a specific schedule. I just grab those special moments when I can.

Now, you just HAD to bring up the part about "a handsome good friend", didn't you!  ;)  I'm not going to think for a minute that some provider could be so smitten with my looks and charm that she feels she has to see me as often as possible, ie on a regular schedule. If that SHOULD happen (just dreaming a bit here, give me a minute.....), I'd have to politely decline (with great regret) because I don't think I could commit to a regular schedule, due to that work/life/money stuff I mentioned earlier.

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