Dose every provider always have to charge so much ? or is it just me and my limited income feeling this way. I think it is to much mostly it is out of my range and even if it was not it seems like to much for a comman price point new providers with 0 reputation or those with a good track record. I can accept that mabie I cant afford the best but it appears that every one thinks that is them !

You will find out you get what you pay for. There may be the few without reviews trying to charge the $$$ but this forum typically finds them out quickly and advises if they are worth it or not.

There are also thoose with review that charge less for less of a service.

If you only want a quick F or S - you can always find cheaper alternatives in Frogtown.

If you are looking for an enganging evening with a great individual that will conect with you on more ways then just getting off - then you will have to spend more.

Good luck in your quest

Yep, your complaint is a debate that has gone on many times on every TER board.  It's always a balancing act between charging a fair market-based price versus charging whatever the market will bear.

I'm always surprised by the relatively new provider that is polite but slightly hurried, goes through the motions but doesn't really get engaged in the session...  And then charges the same price as someone who gives you an enthusiatic, playful hour of attention.  They do the same "technical" activities as the other providers, and thus are justified in charging the same price.

I'm not talking about whether they're GFE or not, or whether they want/allow reciprocal attention paid to them, or anything specific like that.  I'm talking about being assertive, about being sensitive to the hobbyist's signals, about having a certain "game day" attitude, about committing to a full hour...

At 3 clams, I expect a "high degree" of attention and enthusiasm, not just a well done technical display of skill, and like many, I factor the cost into the review process.  I also expect good communications too...  There are a number of $$$ providers that are terrible at returning calls or make you go through some kind of 13-call process.  "Call me back tonight, tomorrow morning, tomorrow at noon, an hour out, and 6 blocks out to reconfirm our appointment."

Not to single anyone out, but as an example, try getting a hold of Madison, getting a time set and confirmed, and see how the session goes.  Then go back to Eros and go through the whole sequence with another $$$-range provider like Traci or Selena and you'll ask yourself "how in the hell can any of these providers look in the mirror and claim they're in the same class as Madison."  They don't even come close.  But the couple of newbies, non-TER guys, or variety-seekers they can get each month is just enough to cover the mortgage, even without repeat business.

A few ideas to help you with your situation.  Have you considered non-FS sessions/providers?  I'll tell you what, a slow, luxurious HJ from someone whose really in tune with your signals and you really click with can get you a lot farther than an "average" FS session.  And save you an absolute TON of cash at the same time.

Also, as you can tell by the ads over the last year, a lot of guys I know are switching over to more traveling providers.  Same price, but it is a way of giving a vote of price disapproval to local providers.

Finally, if you end up with an ATF, ask her if she's open to a deal--but be really careful.  If you make an effoert to click with her, the answer may be yes, but if you don't, or you ask in an awkward way, the answer will probably be no.

Here's my question:
Why is it that whenever someone points out that there are many new girls with no track record who want $$$ for an hur, the predictable bullshit response is to name drop Frogtown and street girls?  What a crock of BS!

Take me, for instance,  I have time and funds to play today, but I'm not dropping $$$ on an unknown girl.  Often, the same names are dropped over and over as Top Quality Providers.  
Great, so they give MSOG and BBJTC.  

But what do they look like?  There are several "Top Quality Providers" in the TC that I don't find to be all that attractive.

Supply and demand sets the price?  Then all I can do is pray for more supply, and/or less demand, because there are other areas of the country (look at some of the other boards on TER and you'll see what I mean) that have more, and better looking girls.

Lastly, I have not named ANY names here, so save the 'knight in shining armor' act of defending the locals for someone who has time for it.

ScrimmDaddy

I know there are some "specials" offered but there frequently out of my rang also. ie $$$$ for 5 hours any way I just wont spend any money till I see some sign of this changing. It is not worth a $$$ deal thats 2 days of overtime to me ! Not trying to offend any of the ladies just letting you all know there could be mose busness if you all listen. And food for thought for the guys out there I got into this when the price point was 150 but you could still get a 2 for $$ if you tryed and if you look it doesnt look like supply is tight to me!

How do you really feel?

all you guys out there looking for high return on investment should check out Pamela on EROS. she is in town for a couple more days...she is incredible. $$$ for an attractive attentive and pleasant young lady...you won't be sorry boyz....

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I, too, am sick of hearing that Frogtown BS!!!  Any provider who changes less than twice as much as a lawyer is a crack whore?  Umm, OK.  Whatever.

I also disagree that you usually get more by paying more.  95% of the TC providers are $150 providers.  Many are just relabeled with $300 price tags.

I’ve already stated my position on the supply and demand situation.  Supply is up and demand is down, so logically, prices should be going down.  The only reason they are not, is because many providers would rather hold firm at $300 and wait around with no work than lower their prices.  Hey that's, their choice.  Maybe when the bills start stacking up, they will reconsider.  I the meantime, I’ll spend my money on realistic local girls, or splurge on some of the traveling girls who actually provide $300 dollars worth of service the next time I have some money burning a hole in my pocket.


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Why is it that whenever someone posts something providers might not like to hear someone jumps in with an attack on their writing skills?  WTF do his writing skills have to do with the validity of his point?!  You understood his point, didn’t you?  Are you trying to score some provider brownie points by attacking him personally?  I suppose we are supposed to infer from your post that a poorly worded message reflects directly on one’s character.  Many providers have piss poor writing skills.  I don’t see anyone jumping in to attack them and suggest that that makes them poor providers.

I am not giong to sit here and say that you arent worth it cathrine I am mostly saying not every girl out there is I would not ever say 1 is or 1 is not on any board. I am just saying no matter where you stay etc I cant afford it and I think I would have to make at least double before I would think the greatest girl is worth $$$. As for the psudo english teacher find something worth while to say please!I know many MD's and lawyers with poor writing they are all very sucessfull in there life .

Maybe you are looking at this whole "price" thing the wrong way.
Maybe the higher price is an intentional way for the women to screen certain types of individuals that they prefer not to see. I have heard many of the women say that the guys that always try and negotiate for lower prices are usually the same guys that are not very generous, caring or respectful to them as a woman.
If you don't like a certain price then you certainly don't have to see that provider, plain and simple.
On the other hand, if you do invest some money, time, and genuine interest in her as a person then the rewards could be great.
I personally have been seeing one higher priced provider for three years. I have always treated her well and with respect. As a result, the $$$1/2 fee that she currently charges is a bargain for me. Why?, because she always comes over to my house and provides me with a very ejoyable evening that usually lasts for about three hours. She even spends the night with me on occasion without requesting any additional compensation. As a result, my investment in getting to know her as a person and not just a commodity has paid real dividends. Just a little food for thought.

Every class I have this semester has a computer for each student. So I might be trying to fire off an email response or make a post,close my screen, and clear my history before the prof comes back to my area.  Email banter and discussion banter are very informal writing styles.  People tend to type as they think, not caring about the prefection in which they are writing.  When I have 15min to answer 20 or more emails that dosen't leave one much time to make sure everything is perfect

Writing has always been a sore weak with me(in the formal sense) and so I take those classes in school very seriously. If I can become better at the things I may dislike or feel inadequate in, that makes me all the more successful in the end. We can always improve in the areas we most enjoy,but it is much harder to improve in the things we have the most aniexty about.
 I had a coworker once who was the most brilliant man I had ever met, but when it came to giving a presentation he could throw all his brilliance out the window.  But he worked harder at learing how to do the one thing he hated most, than most people ever work on the things they most love. In the end he ended up being the most successful of our team because he worked on this weakness..HERE IS TO YOUR WEAKNESS

Hmmm... me thinks I resemble that remark... I type as I think.. not coherent all the time LOL eom

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I wasn’t talking about you, Catherine  I agree that message boards are an informal medium, and that getting too anal ruins the fun.  That was my whole point.  Members generally only attack other members’ writing skills when they dislike the content of the message.

Every price range can be found.  On the net or in the paper.  Im sure some of the guys would help you out with finding them.  Good luck

Only if you accept the premise that wealthy men are more “caring and respectful” to women.  I utterly dispute that point!  They probably are more “generous,” if you want to call it that, because the amount of money involved is relatively insignificant to them.

An excellent post stone!!!!

The ladies have every right to run the business as they see fit. Treat them right and you will be rewarded with experiences that are, as they say, "priceless" I know I have been treated to experiences that I would not trade for anything!!!!! and hopefully more to come.

Why do you think there is the term YMMV, it is because the men treat the ladies with respect and are rewarded!!!!!!! Not really that difficult to figure out.

You know.  I like the response from stone.  I see it the same way.  As a person and an individual I know what I need and desire in a provider.  I also know that there are certain ranges that I can pay for what I want and need.  I can pay as little as $100 (or even less) or I can pay up to $1000 (or even more).  However, I have found that my expectations are mostly met at the $$$ to $$$ 1/2 price range.  So, that is my choice to pay.  I have received very excellent service from one very, very nice and wonderful provider (a couple of times now) and so my expectations are totally met at her price range.  

In the end, we all place our own value on the service being provided and will pay accordingly.  I do not value very highly the service I would get generally from someone offering let say around $100 to $150, so I do not seek that provider.  (although gems can be found it would probably cost me more to find that gem than to pay higher for what I want to begin with.)

So, for me, it's all about placing the value on the service and our ability to make choices.  That's why airlines generally charge higher for non-stop service than connecting service for the same origin and destination.

Just my thoughts because I'm actually happy with the service I get and I'm willing to pay for it.

Providers have the right to charge whatever they'd like, but I'll never consider a provider with average looks or a provider who's clearly 15-30 lbs overweight to be a top-shelf experience. I may pay the $$$ from time to time to a few local escorts, who offer bbbjtc/CIM, but in almost every category the touring girls are simply a cut above what's generally available locally (with the exception of one, well-known, high-mileage, THIN provider). When you go to a strip club, do you spend your money dancing the overweight  girls or the thin girls? There's no question that in other parts of the country, you can get a lot moe bang for your buck.

As for the "safe" escorts, with their many rules--forget it. Not at $$$.

Just my 0.02.

I think this discussion has drifted way off into the same confrontational banter that the price debate often brings out.

I think the original point of BD's post has been overlooked...  His gripe isn't that SOME providers charge $$$, it's that almost every provider charges $$$.

Madison and Catherine have been pretty outspoken opponents of this thread's theme, when in reality, I think you should both be proponents.  Why?

I think the point he's trying to make is that there should be a meaningful spectrum of service levels, that price should be linked to service, and thus there should be a range of prices available.

Some will disagree, but most guys will agree that you guys are pretty near the top of the food chain locally.  Like a previous poster said, my own experience with Madison justifies her being at the top of the price range.  But the vast majority of locals offer much less, and/or are just as butt-ugly as I am, and still charge the same rate.  I know they're free to charge whatever the market will bear, but it's supremely frustrating that almost every provider, no matter what level of service they decide to provide, immediately jumps on whatever the highest market rate in town is.  Remember Nicole J. who comes and goes from Eros?  Very open about not even wanting to be touched...  "I'll come to your room, get you off quickly, and be on my way" and she charged the same fee as both Madison and Catherine.  When guys get frustrated with that, the frustration isn't aimed at you.

I think if you go back and read BD's original post, you'll see that his proposition is pretty palatable--simply that not everybody should be charging the 5-star rate, only 5-star providers should.  That doesn't mean the two of you shouldn't be, or that anyone who thinks there should be an "affordable housing" kind of alternative is left with crack ho's as an only option.

BTW, here's my final thought on price/value relationships...  If I look back on the 5 providers that absolutely rocked my world, 4 of the 5 were between 200-250.  If I look back on the 5 worst, all 5 were between 300-350.

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Thank you zap! That is exactly what I mean. In fact I specifacly thought of those 2 when I wrote my post as 2 of the only ones that should be charging the rate it's like the rest think well those 2 do so I will also. Very few have ratings that can compair with there's and if I could afford $$$ they are exactly who I would see. I however do not think seeing 1 of them every 3 months or so would foster the kind of relationship refered to in the post above.Mabie I am wrong but that kind of feeling I think takes a while to develop.

I think you are wrong to infer that the most weathly clients are the most generous. The reason why most weathy men are weathly is becasuse they live cheap. I have found the men of medium means or even lower means,under 55,000 a year, to be some of the most generous men.  Personally I appreceiate the generosity of a man's little more than the chump change of a mans plenty. Some of the weathliest men I have known do not wear roelx watches or drive 100,000 dollar vehicles, or stay in the best hotels. Maybe that is their secret to staying weathly? The people who appear weathly are ususally trying to get weathly or spend it before its all gone. They are the ones that are all show ususally have no net worth.

The answer is very simple. We live in a free market society. The market price is what it is. Which one of you guys out there wants to take a pay cut? Why should anyone be expected to make less than they could. The truth of the matter is that the top ladies are reasonably priced. The ladys who aren't the "top ladies" but charge "top ladies" prices will eventually be found out and will lose business. That is the way business works. Good businesses get and keep customers, bad businesses don't. The market place sets the prices. Pretty simple.

Since a couple of ladies have mentioned it to me.  Please do not confuse FatnHorny on this board with Fatnhorny on TBD or Yahoo!.  It was already taken when I tried to join here, so I switched to this ID as a backup.  His opinions are NOT mine.

THanks.