When I began hobbying the rates were 2 or 4 bucks for an hour (2011). Top end girls are now up to $1k per hour. Rates have to temper lower to keep them viable. For one, the economy is going to crumble, big time. Clients may lose their job, and if still working money is disappearing in the stock markets. So, lets recognize a depression when we see one, and "make rates great again", to coin a phrase! Good luck to all.  

The average rate for the current Top 10 in Minnesota is $400 per hour.  If you want to fly out to New York or San Francisco and see providers who charge $1k an hour, go right ahead.  But “top end” providers are way less than that here.  And I don’t think there’s been much change in those rates for top FS providers going back to 2012, when I started.  Not much more than the rate of inflation, anyway.  

I guess I missed out on the golden age.  (I assume that meant $200-$400/hr)

If girls want to charge over 600 or even 500 and be broke that's their thing. I still have no problem seeing ladies 200-350, and still wont go over 400 but I rarely even do that - just study up they are out there.

If I recall correctly, most top providers in the state back in 2012 were still at $300-$350.

I don’t recall many top FS providers at $300/hr in 2012. But if for example the average back then for the Top 10 was $350, adjusting for inflation gets us to $394, which is really close to the current average for the Top 10.

supply and demand will meet the need to maintain a lifestyle or simply eat and sustain life.  Rates don't NEED to change but they probably will for many.  There are providers all across the spectrum that are doing this for their own reasons or at least that is what we assume.  Hopefully there are none doing this against their will.  I expect the dynamics of this to change a great deal however.  Worse case? Soup lines, a collapse of the monetary system, urban upheaval, tribal affiliation.  A complete breakdown of society; BBFS for an hour in a basement for a case of ramen from the homeless hooker.  

I find it funny how we as clients try to tell providers what to charge.  It is their body, their business, their income, etc.  We should have no say at all.   If people want to pay that amount it is on them and good for them.  If people don't want to pay that amount... then good for them as well.

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Who would have thought that in nine years, rates would shift? That's just a ridiculous idea! 😝

who are $1k an hour. To clarify, I see no evidence that those who are charging $1k are any better than the women we know to be amazing who are charging half that and so I won't see them. In fact I believe them to be worse than the best.
Secondly, my very first experience (I haven't been hobbying as long as Vorlon, but almost) was with someone ranked very highly on TER for a cost (the memory is clear) of $400.  Then fifteen years ago the experience of my lifetime with the most wonderful woman and it cost $800 for 3 hours;  at that time she was brand new to the business, and averagely priced. So there has been very little escalation of prices. Isn't it amazing that it still costs more or less the same. But I am also aware that I am not willing to pay significantly more.

but it is still up to that person if they want to keep charging that price.  NOT YOU THE CLIENT.    

$400 was the average rate 15 years ago? I know a few ladies who are still active that have been doing this for that long and I bet they would disagree with that. One lady was 300 about a year ago and jumped to 400 and I made a comment. She said that is the average of where she lives (here). Well she went back down to around 300 so looks like she wasn't busy.  
  One lady I met a few years ago was starting at 200. By the spring she jumped to 350, then that fall she went down to 300, last summer I noticed she jumped to around 425 then now she went down to 250.  It had nothing to do with clients telling her what to charge. It had to do with advice from colleagues "What works for one colleague may not (and probably won't) work for another". Girls are trying to play keep up with their friends and you can't do that. I was in Vegas last month and I learned that ladies are not as busy as they say or perceive to be. I was offered specials by a handful of upper priced ladies there.
  There are a few ladies that charge $1000 here and some that do 700-800 too. They just do not have reviews and if guys see them they don't tell anyone. A couple reviews have popped up for for 600 and above and they mostly said they were overpriced for what you got.
  Anyways from ladies now they say 400 is about the average - lockstock says 400 was average back 15 years ago so I guess prices haven't change at all.

No I didn't say average did I. Of the 3 Rs Romance is clearly your forte.  $400 was TER's top rated and maybe most expensive MN woman 15 yrs ago. If I was reviewing the experience today it would be maybe 7-8, but back then I bet I gave her an 8-9 because I was new and she wielded power locally. I could name her with a foggy synonym but TER might remember to be offended -- she's been PNG on here for over a dozen years )) She was probably the first provider to be banned. She and Ben (local mod) ripped at each other for weeks.  
At that point $300 was standard on E**s for their best  when E**s was the cat's ass. Samantha was my second review, a gorgeous traveler, and she was $600 for 2 hrs (I just went back and checked). A beautiful woman in the throes of divorce  paying her lawyer by providing. At that point I didn't know where to look for better rates, but you can extrapolate from there. $100 would get you very good treatment at a non-Asian massage joint. Which is how I met Brandi, before these other women, when innocent me was lying on the table waiting for my standard rub, Brandi came in, jumped on me and we were half way to heaven before she realized I had a look of amazement on my face and she was in the wrong room.  And that's how I started hobbying.

Still doesn't mean the providers are going to pay any attention to us.  In the end all we really decide is if we are willing to pay what they are asking.

That's exactly right.  But I'd never buy a Ferrari even if I could afford a hundred of them.  

In this biz I'm of the opinion that good looks command a premium and someone's IQ is mostly irrelevant if above room temperature.

for different folks. For me, IQ and personality are important. But I appreciate good looks also!  😊

As I look at the top ten I see a number of ladies who combine good looks, intelligence, and a good experience. I do not know what those specific providers say on Twitter and do not care. Believe their rate is where it is as they get enough clients who are not driven away by the cost. I also believe one of their major objections to TER is not the reviews themselves but the detailed “blow by blows  “ required by TER to  publish and also the inability to contest reviews for actually happening or as to what hat happened.  
If you do not want to pay the $400 to spend time with Audrey nobody is making you.  
I have not personally met her but can all but guarantee a better return with her then the 200 body rubs that get there with the upgrade .  
Just my opinion.

Well since most of these massage girls have upgrades that match Audrey Moore rates I would choose Audrey 100 times before I see one of the other ladies on a very small,  hard, cramped massage table - but based on all the reviews that have been happening I guess that's just me.

You would have to interact with someone for a while to make a judgement on their IQ.  But you already picked your date based on her pictures.  
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I think it is a bit of virtue signaling to say we pick dates based on intelligence rather than just having good looks.

There is no doubt pictures and the affirmation of them being real starts  the selection process, followed by the menu  options for the price. Most that remain in the business have the looks , you have picked the  requirements and end up having a better session with the ones that are no only sensual and attractive but can both make you feel wanted and carry on an intelligent conversation.
Guessing that one really needs to go to New York and pay $800 for someone that has lower numbers then out local ladies.  
Have seen those that do not fit the criteria and see them twice- first and last.

Rates are and have been to high for a few years. Only a fool would pay a $1000. No doubt girls can ask for anything but in reality, how many clients do they have.Supply and demand is alive in the escort business. I have hobbies for many years and I believe rates have little to do with quality of service in reality. All I guy really wants are a girl with good hygiene willing attitude safe and clean place to play, with no pimps, police and interuptions.What we don't need is fake pics, bad attitudes, kept waiting, or a gal who seems to be tethered to her phone.Face it when you bend them over they all look the same. And no we don't need to know your education level, don't care as much about your nails etc, we appreciate that they shower and change the sheets before we get there.Ive hobbies since I was in the military many years ago. I remember when you use to call escort services Bunny Hutch, dial a blond etc. They use to be $80 for outcall I brushed good service, and if a gal licked you shed give you her number and then cum over for $50. Granted times have changed, but today's rates are bullshit, girls with no reviews even want a lot. Here's what I do offer gals a 120 hi 200 hour outcall to my safe home, and I have many fantastic friends.

from reviews.  I’ve had good success finding providers who have attributes I value by reading reviews, looking at the provider’s web site/ads/posts, and sometimes if I know one of the reviewers I’ll reach out to him.  I do a lot of research before seeing a provider I haven’t met before.  Pictures are an important part of that research, sure. But I don’t pick a date based only on pictures.  

But by themselves they only go so far.  Things like intelligence are the sort of thing that will get me to to return.

If you want intelligent conversation, you're in the wrong profession. You may want to consider becoming a psychiatrist or therapist. Those profession gets paid much much more per hour and doesn't need them to be down on theirs knees. It's not too late to chg your career. You're still young.

I know some providers who consider themselves to be therapists.  Their therapy sessions involve both verbal and physical activities.  😉

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

All I  got from this is that he is back and writing reviews and from the looks of it still the same guy.

Wrong about what guys want is meaningful conversation, that's not what men are paying for. We all enjoy good conversation, that's for sure. But take away the sex you won't get anymore appointments. Go ahead post 1 hour appoints conversation only no sex or massage see what happens. Remember most of your clients are married men there not cheating on there wife's for conversation. Men want pussy whether you realize it or not. And gals in this business want do-ray-me.There are no Cinderella stories in this business. I'm not trying to be mea, just real. I always treat every woman with respect and have many many female friends in and out of the hobby, and enjoy it when they spend time chillin for a few minutes, it's a good working relationship. But I'm not naive enough to think there going to cum over for free.

I agree, maybe even a Ford Escort.  Have had the opportunity to meet said individual, more than once, give the benefit of the doubt, nice enough, but the last review is spot on.  You don,t always get what you pay for,gets the job done the same as any other ride.

"I guarantee 99% of hobbyists who shop in the $200 to $300 range are looking for a fleshlight, not a well-rounded woman." What a horrible thing to say. Is that how you truly feel about women who charge less than 350/hr?

I like totally honest reviews more than the next guy but the problem is this is why we have a fraction of the ladies coming on this board anymore. 3-4 years ago we had like 20 girls post on a semi regular basis but now we have 5 if even that many, It is ok writing honest reviews but be careful who you do it to as these ladies could leave and never come back (delist like KK and her crew).

We've had enough problems with that sort of thing in the past; it should never be encouraged.

All of us have off days.  Recently I screwed up with a provider who had been on my list ... for ever. But it all got off on the wrong foot and never recovered. Mostly my fault. I will not be asking her to give me references. If she is asked I'm sure she'll say something luke warm. Hopefully others will say I'm witty, handsome, and incredibly generous...  
The point is that when any one of us hangs around for a while we get a reputation, like it or not. It does no one any good in the end to be dishonest in reviews. Bad providers persist when people don't tell the truth about them.  The same is true for bad clients. Providers almost always give them one chance too many. When you write, tell the necessary truth -- just avoid being mean for the hell of it because what you write reflects on you too.  And if someone writes lies, that becomes obvious sooner or later -- usually because someone with a good rep, provider or hobbyist, calls bullshit. At its best that is how this local board can function.

It sure seems like it.  
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I don't think that there is so much misogyny, but more of keeping one in check with reality.  Girls can't get top rated without ratings, who rates the girls, the customers that's who.  I really for one have  respect for everyone until proven to not deserve respect, and trust me there are a lot of people who have no respect from me. These boards can be pretty harsh at times and other times every one is very calm, take from it what you will and learn and live life.  

Here is the problem is with the rating system.   I could have an absolutely great time with a provider and if "all the boxes" don't get checked they cant get a 10/10.   Even though they went above and beyond.

Well I just got done writing a totally honest review which she would probably hate but I don't think she would ever see it anyways. Ava Darling - comes in as Tampa because that is where she is from. She was here for 2 months before christmas and I know most of you will recognize her as she posted ads multiple times a day and daily and on multiple sites. I was proud to TOFTT and took it I did. I tell ladies I see all the time not to read their reviews because it would just bum them out. Heck I had a "super regular" I saw like 30 times in the last 4 years that quit here because of stuff guys said about her and her friends.  I knew it was coming and told her not to read it but she didn't listen and now she is gone. Now this current lady people are talking about I have been warned about by multiple guys and even a few ladies what she is really like so I have never seen her. Honesty and truthfulness is a breath of fresh air, but it just could come at a price - but like what you said "who cares".

There is far to much misogyny in this community. That's my opinion too. Providers on one side, hobbyists on the other. The reviews turn out to be the leveler. It doesn't take much reading to gain an accurate opinion of who's who, providers and reviewers. And having watched this for a long time, the best providers consistently rise to the top and can be proud of it. TER, in spite of its flaws, is genuine validation. Also, one or two bad reviews have never, in my experience, sunk a good woman.  (Or very, very rarely, and then it was only because she had a fit about it on the board, in the moment.)  
The problem with the board is that the moment you post you open yourself to anybody and everybody who wants to respond, qualified or informed or insightful or not. The middle ground of consensus -- the place where we talk to and smile at and fuck each other and both enjoy it -- is quickly muddied by arguments about who is most important, the customer or the provider. That argument will never be resolved because the relationship is absolutely symbiotic. Audrey, we wouldn't want to do this without you.

here on scores and outlier reviews.  I look for consistency in reviews and mentally toss out the very top and very bottom reviews. (As one provider told me matter of factly, “I’m an 8” in appearance, and her average is around 8 but she has a few 10s and also a few 5s.)  As for performance, the best provider I know can get no more than 8 because of what she chooses to offer her clients.  And there’s always the chance, unfortunately, of mean spirited reviews or worse, revenge reviews.  

Those of us who have been around for any length of time learn not to give much credibility to reviews that are well outside what we usually see from established providers.  We also learn to recognize when a provider's reviews are "too good."

Many years ago, there was little competition between myself and another client. When a companion came to town, he always wanted his very first date. This particle incident, I was up to bat first.  

So, 99% of guys that shop for less than 350per are bargain-shopping assholes who treat them like sex objects. Got it.

Well I believe girls rates will be changing for many in our new economy. Make no bones about it we are in the beginning of a recession and we will be looking at a new normal.Stocks and wages don't grow to the sky, nor does the price of pussy.Lack of lonely traveling businmen with fat expense casts is drying up, along with those married horny men the escorts bread and butter. The single guy patrons will be sharpening there pick up lines and be looking for that free booty call action. Also they'll be those fresh young newbies trying to support that child, that baby daddy won't or can't support. You can already see that happening. All leads to a new supply and demand curve. That high end escort is no longer going to be able to support that in call and that new car pmt. There will have to adjustments, as everyone will do with less and concentrate on the essentials.Alot of gals went from $100. Hr to 350 to 400 an hour in a few months in this business. Well they are gonna adjust to the new normal.Guys there are a lot of great gals out there that don't cost a car put, go find one.

Live and let live.  

I have noticed a lot lately that I would guess well over half the providers here are single moms with the dad nowhere to be found. If you see the girls on a semi regular basis they will trust you and open up to you and you will be amazed what you find out. Plus now that ladies have to do online virtual appointments they are slipping more information about themselves like who they need money for. Still not sure how a virtual session when you cant touch, kiss, and can barely see the girl be gfe but thats what they are calling it will cost you $200.

You somewhat make sense, one thing for sure the market sets the price. Years ago i solld cars, many times people would want to negotiate the price they knew the game and most times they could negotiate a lower price. The dealership usually had a little room on the price, so people could feel good about their deal. Yet there are people who would pay full price and feel great about it, why because in there mind they felt there car was better than the exact same car someone had paid $1500. Less for, it feed there ego and of course my pocket book cause i got a higher commision. We you to call those people laydowns. Anyway doll morale is look for the laydowns, although in this new economy yourgonna need alot of luck.

If adjusted for inflations should be minimum $600 to $1500 per hours.  Hoes need to go back to basic math.
All you fkers complaining because getting paid from like you were still living in 80s, you also don't know your worth and watched passively your CEO get multi million bonus year after year, your own fucking fault.

Theres alot of rich bastard baby boomers with alot of discretionary income.  Suck it up buttercup.  If you want ladies to lower their rates pray for a viagra shortage.

Most people are stuck at home and not spending money on traveling, eating out, sporting events, concerts, and everything else.  Between this and many getting stimulus money for themselves or their business, they have extra cash and are now spending this on the hobby.  I believe there has been a 20 to 30 percent increase for many providers rates.  I know this because I have been experiencing local girls I saw pre-Covid charging an additional $100+ per hour.  It’s no different than the grocery stores charging more since nobody is eating at restaurants.  Once things open up and things get back to normal the demand will go down and so will prices.  I also believe that we are likely going to enter a second Great Depression within the next 12 to 24 months which will disrupt rates.

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Your post has a lot of speculation.   You may be somewhat correct but there is not way to truly verify what you are saying is accurate.  If someone is getting stimulus money, it is not money which can be used exclusively for discretionary income.  The reason people were receiving these funds was because they are/were out of work.  These funds are likely be used to pay rent and buy groceries.  While I have not done a pre and post COVID analysis, to the best of my knowledge the grocery stores have not imposed predatory pricing and are not charging more than pre COVID prices.  

Grocery store prices are up since the pandemic started.  From what I have read, it's mostly due to increased demand (people are eating out much less) and supply chain disruptions, such as meat packing plants closing for a while due to COVID outbreaks.  I don't believe there is much in the way of predatory pricing but prices are definitely up.

300 was the going rate.  Now it varies between that and 4.  Can’t go higher tho.  My current ATF just raised to 5 and I have to stop seeing her now.  A little annoyed she didn’t grandfather her regulars

I think the jump in rates is exccesive According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index, today's prices in 2020 are 13.21% higher than average prices since 2012. The U.S. dollar experienced an average inflation rate of 1.56% per year during this period, causing the real value of a dollar to decrease.

According to TER profiles, only four of the top 25 providers in MN are more than your  “reasonable” $450, and most are $400 or under. Plus there’s several excellent providers not in the ratings for whatever reason (like not enough reviews) under $450.  So there should be lots of options for you.

Are there even 600-1000$ ladies in this state? I found a few and that takes a lot of research. 1 that I know of has a few reviews and they are not good. When I started this 6 years ago 300-350 seemed the average with very few even over 400. I don't even think 450 is really reasonable (in this state). It is all really where you live - statewise.  There are plenty of ladies that I saw 2-3 years ago that were 300 and 350 that now charge 450+ and there reviews totally disappeared. I am sure they still get some business but no one talks about them. One problem is alot of these price hikers are all friends and hang out together and they all seem to be the same rate now and they were all considerably lower back 2-3 years ago. Also all of these girls have stopped getting reviews (none since ter came back). They also seem to travel to locations where there rate works when they really never traveled back 2-3 years ago. I know a lady last summer say the average of MN was 450-500 and that was laughable (reason why her rate jumped) - she is one that has had her rates go back and forth lately trying to figure it out.
  As for lowering there rate to go with the economy - that would never happen. I only know of 2 or 3 ladies that have even lowered there rates in the last 3 or so years and that is even looked down upon. These ladies have way too much pride and the best they would probably do is grandfather you in at the rate you have seen them at but that has been talked about plenty in the past and that causes major issues between providers.

i simply posted that to correct the idea that a two hundred plus hike in rates does not follow inflation as was posted ealier. i maintain that women can set there own rates and let the market decide . i just know there is a limit i wont cross.. I counted a local site which had 30 ads , 10 of them were over 500 and several were a thousand dollars . i see a trend  so nobody needs to be offended or defensive or insulting  just doing the math and good luck to all the ladies and hobbyest