I really don't understand why a lot of providers have a higher rate for outcalls. I was wondering if some of you could explain your reasoning? I'm not belittling the practice, I personally just don't understand. Here is my theory . . . If I were to have different incall/outcall rates my incall would be the higher of the two; because, incall I have to--Pay the rent, change and wash the bedding, provide soap-toothbrushes-etc, provide and wash towels, get water . . . and the list goes on. Outcall I understand is a few dollars in gas, but how far are you going? $50 would get me about 600 to 700 miles.

I don't think you realize that its not just gas money ($50÷3.50 a gallon x 25mpg = appr. 350 mi) that adds to the cost but the drive time that's involved ... If we make $300 an hour add the drive time which can be about 30 min ... so both ways its about an extra hour of our time ... that's more like $600 for our 'time" ... However we don't charge that much extra ... Yes we pay "rent" whether it is in the form of mortgage, rent or hotel stay, we also pay the lease or loan plus insurance for our cars.  

It makes some sense that it might take a provider an extra hour or so with travel time to and from the outcall location, but then again as Miss Leah points out, that is somewhat offset by the lack of other expenses.  

I like to drive. Also, previously, I lived about an hour outside my homebase in a rural area--so I had to drive no matter what. That does make a lot of sense though.

I have always just had one rate. Just figure any small business comes with overhead. It just all makes me so very curious as to why people do things differently, and it's nice to hear other's thoughts.

My incall is something I pay for whether or not I get booked.  I prefer people come to me, because I hate driving.  I like going out, too, but I usually take a cab downtown.  Costs me about 30-40 bucks.  In the end, I make less with outcalls that are only an hour.

I never thought of it from that perspective. Thanks for sharing!

I don't mind the driving part  

Posted By: TrinityLake

My incall is something I pay for whether or not I get booked.  I prefer people come to me, because I hate driving.  I like going out, too, but I usually take a cab downtown.  Costs me about 30-40 bucks.  In the end, I make less with outcalls that are only an hour.  
   
 I feel better, safer, and have more fun in my own pad.  That's all.  If I preferred outcalls, I'd charge a little more for incalls.  Just driving my business in the direction that works best for me and makes it better for my clients  
   
 To each their own!  
 Trinity

With the cities traffic, especially at certain times of day, it could be an hour each way.  
So, thats two hours that she could have taken 1 or 2 extra incall appts.

Portia  As one who has visited your "FUN HOUSE" you are being too modest.  The only way to up the fun level is to add a certain dark haired lady to the mix.  The two of you are the ultimate recreation directors!   bigdell

Guys always write in reviews that they tip well, there was even a review recently where the guy left a tip for the girl and he did not even stay so basically the girl got the money +tip and didn't have to do a thing. These guys are crazy but I know the girls love it.
 I talked about this with a provider recently and she says alot of guys give her tips but most of them are (not her type, or unattractive). I guess that does sense that there are some guys out there that feel that the girl is doing them a huge favor by seeing them but who knows. This has been brought up in the past but just got intrigued again from what this girl told me. I know this could start a huge argument or fight but just an opinion and everyone has them

As Trinity said, I pay for my in call whether I have an appointment or not...so I charge more for an out call because it involves driving, time of travel, wear and tear on car, dealing with traffic, all hazards of possible driving accidents/car problems in winter.  

Impo & Impe, Hotel OC's recently have been nothing short of frustrating due to harassment by hotel staff - regardless of my attire. Not to mention, I typically go out of my way to look like I belong. I'll pack a bag or bring a small piece of luggage full of goodies including change of clothes with me. I don't like to raise eyebrows. Overall, it can be a PITA, depending on the gent, hotel or residents.

Based on your reviews and reputation, I would guess that you only use 4-5 star hotels - Are you talking about providing from a hotel, or visiting hobbyists in their rooms.

I have a great and very private MSP Incall location.

...they wouldn't dare stop you if you're accompanied by someone, would they?

Let me start off by saying I'm fairly new to the hobby so I'm fairly new to all of this. But it's just something I've noticed in the short time I've been doing this let me start by saying I have a disability which confines me to a wheelchair and that makes doing in calls or even out calls to hotels almost impossible (unless the person I'm with really understands my situation) so I almost always prefer doing engagements in my apartment where everything is set up to meet my needs. (a bed that is lower than normal etc. this situation will be easier for me and the lady on spending time with. On top of that I generally like to have a longer engagements even for the first encounter because I would actually like the lady to have a chance to get to meet me in a social situation, such as dinner before the physical activities begin. Because aside from being in a wheelchair. I'm probably the most normal square guy you'll ever meet. I like steak and football on Sundays LOL however, the fact that I need out calls to my private residence in prefer longer engagements even for the first meeting seem to be a bad combination. In this business and I guess I can totally understand why (you all have to assume new clients could be the next Ted Bundy as one website describes this) but on top of all that being new to the hobby. I only have one reference so far, and there's many lovely ladies who I would love to see but they either don't come to private residence until you have met once or they don't do it at all. Is there anything I can do to make ladies feel more comfortable you think a lady would be put off if I explained my situation and asked for an exception??? Or am I just stuck between a rock and a hard place. No pun intended LOL

Well if you like steak & football I'd definitely make an exception! Throw in a couple coors lite & it's a done deal! Hehe!  

Thank you so much for speaking out Whitney, this happens to me too, I've tried many different looks, tied my hair back went with no makeup & always with the intrusive questions, odd looks, and more recently the complete rudeness by waiters ignoring me when I was in the lounge just trying to order some food.  
  I'm done with the idea of hotels and would love to find a better incall. I think a lot of gals don't realize how much it's changed lately, it gets frustrating when so many friends tell me hotels are awesome & some still just have better luck
So as much as I feel for you & it's wrong you were treated this way, it makes me feel better knowing it's not just me.  

They haven't stopped me but they were rude without reason in the lounge/bar areas before .  
I had to stop offering out calls just for that reason.  
Downtown Minneapolis they're especially vigilant about people without a key I'm guessing it's because there's so many homeless or drunk people attempting to wander in to use their restrooms and such.  
 

Just a suggestion, but why not try throwing back in their face?  e.g. "I am here to complete a work presentation without being harassed by my office phone or my family.  Please make certain that no calls are put through to my room and that your staff respect the do not disturb sign."  If they press you further, "that's really none of your business, now do you want my business or should I find another hotel?"

Thank you for your thoughtful and kind response/in your case you actually have to make an exception for me I will not meet your age requirement for about five years (I won't be 30 until August and it says you prefer gentlemen 35 and over I'm not quite there yet, so we would both have to give a little bit, but if you need some young spice in your life. Let me know LOL

I absolutely adore the fact that you love yourself enough to share your story in public. I personally like a longer first date, because I like to connect. I love people and enjoying people. Guess I'm just weird like that. And I like going to people homes because it gives you a feel of who the person really is--feels more personal that way. So I really don't see why you would have a problem finding somebody to fit your needs. I would think the ladies would love to come see you, if you just explained your situation. Good luck!

For any provider I do imagine they have to drive to the outcall and take an extra hour in transport.  

Whitney,

I think lower rate is for what the provider prefers. I think the preference differs between county and city folk. Country folks have amazing outcall dates (see below) and country people drive a lot anyways so don't mind the drive. It's 97 miles from my house to the nearest Target or shopping mall.  

ople have described you as the girl next door in their time with you.  Sit down and have pizza with a client, real down to earth, easy going, sports bra, fun!  Wow, where next door is 97 miles away is well, yes, the urban setting does make driving a different story.

You do have an aura, but I'm not sure it's as scary as you think Ms. Montage. As for in vs. out I find things feel more comfortable when a lady is on her home turf. Nobody has ever given me a second look walking into a hotel, not sure why a lone female would stand out more than me. I do cast a rather large shadow and am hard to miss, maybe it's my scary aura that keeps the inn keepers at bay.

You are one of the classiest ladies I have ever come across here & I for one am elated you are back & look forward to hearing more from you!

It sounds like you and I are a match because the connection is the most important part for me to (I never understood the logic behind a half hour date me and my girlfriend Rosie Palm and her five sisters can do that all by ourselves just fine I know I'm kind of a smartass sometimes I just can't help myself. It's all in good fun. I noticed from one of your previous posts your sports fan to I'm going to be watching the Minnesota wild game tonight screaming my pool area now LOL and I couldn't help but notice from reading your website that you finished nursing school I've dealt with personal care attendants and nurses all my life so I know exactly how much fun nurses can have LOL

...and I know that I've never met you so maybe I'm misreading your comments. You imply that you provide a richer experience because you offer incall at your static location because it gives you home field advantage. I'm not a fan of incall so I prefer outcall to my hotel. That's neutral territory for both me and my date so there's no advantage to either side; no distractions, no family photos, no worries about the neighbors or someone noticing all the middle aged men that frequent your place. I understand that you are a massage only provider so an outcall experience is likely different than one for a FS provider. If so, there really was no need for you to comment on this thread, I feel. When I consider whether I should visit a FBSM provider I think I would prefer to visit her at her place 'cuz I think it just makes more sense.  
I agree that an outcall visit in a metro area like downtown Minneapolis requires either a cab, valet or parking ramp expense. I take that into consideration and compensate my dates appropriately, I believe, so I can appreciate that an additional fee is in order.  
I can't help but feel that you are mocking MissLeah about her relaxed, down home approach to being a good provider with your thanks but no thanks response to sharing a pizza, sharing a sloppy cheeseburger or experiencing the joy of a country field or lea as a unique sensory experience. Please, I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm way off base on this, hopefully.

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I have actually witnessed Bridget do something very similar when checking into a hotel in our same suburb really late one night ... "Excuse me, may I speak to the manager ... This is my high school sweetheart. We haven't seen each other for years. We're checking into your hotel for some privacy ... please make sure we get it." The manager sheepishly looks my way and the clerk gives me a little nod ...

I think you are way off base.  With only limited experience with Elan,  I believe she would be more than just pleased with a rural outdoor adventure.  The thing that most supprised me about Elan when I first met her,  was her speech in person was way less foreign sounding that her typed text.  But her message always has a special ring to it so you have listen.  drdimsum

I considered the fact that the comments were negative; however, I took into consideration that I cannot judge the comments accurately, because I don't know the person speaking. Even if her intentions were negative---It's okay. Many of the "newer to the board" people don't know me. I am a very different type of provider and I am well aware of that fact. Many people will never possibly understand me, and those who do typically know me well. I don't really provide a GFE, more so a FYWE--First year wife experience (I might coin that acronym so don't attempt to steal it) .... When you still love to hump on a regular basis, but are very comfortable.
However, all of us also have to respect the views and thought processes of other people. It is okay for them to speak freely and have a different opinion.  
As far as outcalls to hotels---I have always been compensated accordingly for parking, tolls, or a cab, as to why it works for me to have one flat rate for both in and outcalls.


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I certainly would absolutely love to bring a blanket and picnic basket out to the field and be amongst wild blades of tall grass.  

Whitney,

That you are infact misreading something. I have yet to find an elitist bone on Élan's wonderful body and I know that she is in fact very at home outdoors in a field like setting. While not FS she provides an experience unlike any other I have found with the unique and beautiful ladies I have been lucky enough to meet. In my opinion you are way off base when you suggest that "there really was no need for you to comment on this thread", threads are available to any and all to comment on including you and me.

"Just that fact that you ask this question makes me think that you're not into a 'rich experience'."   I think that line is what confused several people (and those who know me--I could see how that offended them). I received several PMs, as to why I think that line caused the confusion. Somethings just come out wrong, and one line can confuse an entire paragraph. Thank you for letting us know that Elan is a sweet gal and her words were probably misinterpreted . .

I just didn't dream that there would ever be a debate.  I had a hair trigger response.  I don't feel to be elitist but do feel many of us give an elite and exceptional service... and I feel many gent's are elite and exceptionally sexy discreet and respectful clients.  Everyone's time is valuable and I will continue to see the world that way, plain and simple.  

About a month ago I met a girl at a very high end hotel. I had no problem but the guy she met after me did and he was asked questions by staff as was she. She called me later that night to see if they did anything to me and I was lucky they didn't. She was basically told to never go back.

this city setting I am time sensitive type "A" all the way.  

Do all hotels treat single women traveling alone this way? It's like we're living in Saudi Arabia.

The 'girl next door' experience is something I crave  as much as heels, lacy undies and make-up is appealing, sometimes, something different yet real is the most appealing thing of all.

I prefer incall, for all the other reasons ladies have stated above, plus I can't drive (no, I didn't get a DUI which is what everyone assumes) so that adds on at least 30-40 bucks just to get downtown from where I live.

Seems to me you could stand to take a break from the board, indulge in some of that there vanilla you speak of & calm the "F" down.

...I'm not convinced at all that outcall presents a significant financial hardship for you. At your listed $220 per hour you make more than me per hour. Realistically, I'm not going to look up the statistics but on a global scale, less than 1/1,000,000,000 of the people on Earth make that kind of money in an hour, or in a day, or in a week, or in a month, maybe in a year. That's even more than I make in a 4 hour work day so consider yourself blessed that men find you worthy to spend that kind of income on you for just an hour incall. Apparently, tho, you're something more than a low volume provider. I hate sitting in traffic, too. If a client asks you to see him at 5 pm at a downtown hotel maybe you could suggest that a 7 pm appointment would work better for you.

As I have seen this thread grow, I was struck about the judgment that seemed loaded into elan's earlier post declaring there should be no debate.  Since drumsticks addressed it, I decided to keep quiet, but this new post by élan bears scrutiny for several reasons and imho, none of them positive.  No "MN nice....MN passive aggressive" here, simply an unvarnished opinion:
 
Many statements in this diatribe are wholly subjective and do not fit the context of the OP's comments.
1. The OP asked a legitimate question that is worthy of discussion and in fact has been discussed with civility on this thread.

First of all--You sent me a PM yesterday trying to explain your intentions, all was well, and we let the matter be. Then you basically attack me.

Leah you are beyond classy. Your love for all people regardless of who they are & how they behave leaves me in total awe. You of all people have ample cause to journey through life with a chip on your shoulder yet you empathetic, caring demeanor continues to burn bright. You have & always will have my admiration.

1.  Use a side entrance or back entrance to avoid walking past the hotel check in desk.
2.  Act like you belong...i.e. have the gent tell you exactly where the elevator is and where his room is  
(ex.  Off the elevator and to the left about half way down the hall, room 426.)    This will keep you from  
looking around like you're lost.  
3.  Dress casually or in business attire.....no fishnet, high heels, short skirts and corsets showing.  LOL (not intended for you Whitney....I am sure you dress appropriately but lets face it, not all do.)

like women, too.

.. about once a year I explode with frustrations and this is that time of year.  Artistic temperaments are known to have their flair ups  and I just had one.  

Clearly for most of us, time is money and I just wasted a lot of time on a beautiful day. LIVE, LOVE and LAUGH...Enjoy your weekend !!!!!

I have troubled myself and have spilled onto TER.  I feel sorry for the chaps and gals for reading any of this drivel today.

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...you can direct those apologies  directly to the OP by name. A little groveling on your part wouldn't hurt, either.

...is sorely lacking on your part. Lighten-up a little. Smile...

Maybe some hotels have agreed with LE to discourage providers from coming there for whatever reason and pictures are being sent around?

I know of more than one provider who has been harassed at that place; they watch out for escorts and their clients.

very smart and safe and also beautiful, gorgeous girl. I have not seen you yet and have always wanted to so I should change that here very soon.

I suggest stepping away until you are not on so on edge about whatever is really bothering you.

Wow, "your mad at a lot of people on this board", you think we should all only discuss what YOU think we should talk about.
You say things about passive aggressive behavior and then you flippantly use phrases about sitting in traffic in the  
Carcinogenic smog...to someone that has beat cancer! wow again!!  
You said these things Élan. Take responsibility for being so careless with peoples feelings. There are tons of ways you were rude in your comments, you claim to "love" so much and to be so sensual, true sensuality and love knows nothing about holding onto so much anger  
Your wrong to say these things.
 Pssst also you should know it's not a secret that you consider yourself to be in a higher class of "providers" because you "don't" do FS. Well all I can say is it's about damn time the real you showed her true colors.

 

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I don't usually charge different rates for in/out, but if I don't have a permanent incall location, I will ask for a deposit (due to past cancellations ) to cover the hotel costs. Other than that, the only other in/out difference is if I have to travel outside my normal service area... But to each their own, some ladies don't like to drive, hate mapquests guts, and may not even care to own a car, so I guess they would have to pay a driver to bring them to an outcall. That would make sense to me. They would need the extra to cover transportation/driver fees.  Idk.... Hope all is well with everyone.