It makes it much easier to answer your question if we know what those requirements are.
Long term, on and off, provider here since 2014. If you're curious, I've mainly been in CA and travel to Chicago, NJ/NY. MN is a newer location for me just about a couple months ago so I am still learning about the market here. Question I have is, is it just me, or does MN hobbyists just don't like to be screened? It's never been this much of an issue where I come from, but literally it feels like only 1 out of 25 potential client read and go through screening. I post on ME and Tyst, I used to on AS but took that down due to high encounter with cheap and terrible clients. FYI, my rates are independent standard. Any advice to attract respectful gentlemen is appreciated.
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Here's my thought, I wonder if it's any different than other cities about getting screened. You have only been here for a few months; potential clients might only trust you with their info if you are new. Have you gone on P411? Guys are verified thru that service. I saw earlier that Betty offered help. Did you contact her?
I screen the same in other cities as well. Just trying to figure out if I should switch sites or work with the comfort around here.
I don't see anything from Betty.
As for screening what are your requirements ?
Could maybe not have had to ask that if you posted under your name/ handle
If I were to see your add and want to visit could and would supply references from known respected providers with an email - had I still kept up P411 would use that - if you are asking for Personal ident. Forget it - and if adding a downpayment to the request one more reason to not respond.
“It depends.”
That is, on what you mean by “screening”. I expect to be screened when I meet a provider for the first time. I actually WANT her to screen me, as that shows me she’s concerned about safety and is likely legit. But it depends on the screening.
I have several recent OKs (and many other OKs) on P411 from well-known, local providers (thank you, ladies!). When a provider is on P411, usually that gives them enough info about me to be comfortable. There’s also my reviews and many years of posts here (I don’t mind sharing my TER handle for screening). I also offer to share my P411 info with providers who aren’t on P411 (a useful P411 feature). P411 rules require I be ready to show my photo ID (with most info masked) if requested, but I’ve never been asked for it.
If a reference or two is needed, I’ll provide it but prefer to not bother providers with those requests unless absolutely necessary. Sometimes I’ll ask to meet a provider who’s friends with another provider who knows me well, so that makes screening easy.
What kind of screening will I not accept? Requests for my LinkedIn or Facebook profiles, or employer info. I don’t like to share my full real name but have done so with a few providers whom I’ve known awhile (and they shared their real names with me). And I won’t send a photo of my driver’s license.
It makes it much easier to answer your question if we know what those requirements are.
Love to help and offer perspective based on long experience.
I see providers of all sorts right across the spectrum from $200 to $2000 per hour (there has been only one of those so far) looking simply for my favorite things -- simple affection, mutual respect and rip roaring sex.
I don't use P411 or give my personal info to anyone (well with a couple of rare exceptions). And yet
a) I have no trouble getting great dates or
b) convincing providers of my trustworthiness.
Are you a new provider in the area with no reviews or history? Then it would be hard to get guys to give out personal info or deposit to complete stranger. But if you have reviews and history in the business, I bet most guys won’t mind sharing info or paying a deposit fee.
You can’t expect to move out here and be treated like you were in your prior cities without any proof or history of performance.
I would suggest using an easier verification process to build some client base first and if you are really that good then you can go back to your stricter rules.
Honestly if a guy doesn't want to be screened you probably don't want to see him. I have no problem providing references when asked and I am sure most repectable guys on here are the same way. You can also look at some of the women who have stricter initial screening requirements, Rain comes to mind. As others have said, know who you actually are would be beneficial so you could get some specific advice.
send his employment info plus all the personal info required to be fully outed by whoever would want to is a bad client? You sound like a guy that's got nothing to lose. If that's the case, great for you I guess?
I wouldn't automatically tag a potential client as a bad client if he refuses screening with me. But I would say they're just not the kind of client I am looking for and willing to spend my time with and vice versa. In my experience though, I've encountered more unlikable clients when screening isn't required. Definitely brought in more business, but I'll trade a good client over quantity any day.
Yes, I totally agree. I've done no screening when I first started. Though the quantity is definitely there, no screening always never failed to bring in a large number of unideal clients that leave me feeling overwhelmed, drained and frustrated at the end of the day. These aren't the clients I want to spend my time with, as I do enjoy what I do and I will not be able to give my best. Besides risk factor, it's the reason why I no longer make it an exception for clients who refused to screen. It's unfortunate, it's a lot slower than I expected here with the high refusal I'm encountering. Oh, and FYI, I think my screening is pretty standard--light. I just require either ID & work badge or business card with matching name OR ID & reference(s). I only require that the photo and name be readable; everything else can be covered up.
Could easily supply references from well known providers but not about to give up real name. Is not John Smith. If references and a ten year track record here are not enough -👎
Many know my real name but only two first time providers the others are friends.
Yes, but I'm sure there are many, many wonderful provider's out there that will take exceptional care of you. 😊
Let me say first and foremost, you do the screening that you feel is appropriate for you, I would never ask you to do otherwise.
I won’t provide a real name, much like Oldranger, there are ladies who do know it once we have become friends but I’ve never provided it up front.
I am not a John Smith either and if you knew my real name there is absolutely no way you could find anyone else but me by doing something as simple as a Google search. In that particular way I am, at least, unique.
I am comfortable providing references or my P411 information but for my own security I won’t provide my real name. You can get to learn it, once we establish some type of relationship and trust level, but not before hand.
You do what screening you require, those are your rules that you get to make, not mine, or anyone else’s.
I haven’t seen your ad profiles so if you do spell that out clearly I would never contact you and waste your time. I actually do read them and if I see something like that I would respect your time and not bother contacting you.
That being said, again, I have not seen your ads, so if that isn’t clearly stated.. I.e. something more than “screening is required” then those questions come up after initial contact has been made and I won’t apologize at that point, I will simply say “My apologies, that doesn’t work for me, thank you for your time and best of luck”
I have been doing this a long time and I am unashamedly pretty good at it, I’ve been told I should write a guide for it, and I have successfully made it this far without ever exposing my real name or paying a deposit, and I will continue to do so. I might modestly add that if you checked with any of my references I would get very high marks as a client.
I'm another one who won't give up PII for screening. I have my history here, references, and P411. I respect a provider's right to screen as she sees fit but if it is not compatible with what I'm willing to provide then I just don't make contact in the first place.
And of the new clients who contact me, I'd say more than half don't want to screen. But the ones who do are wonderful.
I think it's just a numbers game. The more inquiries you get, the more likely there will be those who will agree to screen.
I've heard your same comment from ladies in many other cities. Sometimes it's just a phase, sometimes it's the weather, sometimes it's the time of year.
The main thing is to expect the majority of guys won't screen and to spend just a fraction of time and energy on them.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Gives me a little more hope.
I do find that as well with clients who go through screening. When I meet them, always very high chance they are a pleasure to have, respectful and just wonderful gentlemen.
I guess you can add me to your list of what we (from other cities) say about MN too. Lol
I may be wrong about this, but there is some truth. This area has had more significant stings and info that all levels of LE have put together. I'm not talking about that latest sting operation—higher-up cases like the PC said. I'm talking about clients and SWs. Even in the '90s, they knew who the SW were, not the ones on the street, but agencies and the internet. What made me know was one popular one back then just left a client's hotel room. LE pulls up to her and does the routine. She talked, went to the client's hotel room, and he talked. It was downhill from there. The DHS is the one that is funding all local LE with cash and surveillance equipment to use as they want
Decades ago, this was a hotspot for agencies from Florida and AZ...not good in the end. So, I know some guys are very worried about their private life, and if they get caught up in some issues, several LE like to work outside to get something. If they cannot get enough the first time around, they keep up the pressure on all parties. They will lie to one party that the other said this; what do you say? I would keep going with your plan, and you may find some good clients. I know that around here, many guys are great clients, but they prefer to keep the info private.
...great for her, it's her life & income she needs to manage. I think there will always be a group of clients who will NOT screen with PII and if references no longer work, many may just step aside.
I also think the next logical step in evolution will be clients setting up phony identities. It would take very little cost and simply some time to establish a social presence that can be "found".
That's why some of us use security agencies that do an in deep dive and can uncover made-up identities.
My agency has found a few guys who tried this and they were covering up a very bad (original) identity.
I love technology!
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Whether you would ever have any intention on acting to harm a client with this information down the road is NOT the issue, it's just simply that you can. Once a persons identity is known, the door is wide open to unlimited amounts of blackmail, extortion and abuse. 2 months later, 3 years later....
Show me a guy that has nothing to lose but can do business with providers with any kind of recurrence and I'll show you an anomaly. I'd say that 90% of clients that can afford p4p have a great deal to lose.
Still waiting to hear how you protect this information Anna!
That's why some of us use security agencies that do an in deep dive and can uncover made-up identities.
My agency has found a few guys who tried this and they were covering up a very bad (original) identity.
I love technology!
I walked into her bedroom many years ago. I look over in the closet because you never know who else is there. I see a box with scraps of paper in it. I ask her what's the deal with that. She said it's her client's names and numbers...just sitting there.
My other story is my brother has an apartment on ground level. He said to me that a couple of escorts rent that room. So guys would pull up and walk into the patio door when the girls were there. If you walked down the hallway, it would smell like massage oil. My brother's friend was the complex manager, and he knew about that apartment. Plus, so did the apartment complex owner. The manager was in the building next door, but the owner told him to keep track of who was going in and out. So, some days, the manager and his wife would write down the license plate numbers. I never drive to an incall place because of this. Don't think that nobody else knows why you are there.
Some guys go to no small lengths to hide their identity. Somewhere there's probably a service that will set guys up with one!