I’ve done nearly all of my hobbying though P411 for a few years now with no real problems seeing providers…until recently. The last three providers I reached out to on P411 wanted additional screening on top of my P411 membership and Okays. The reason I joined P411 is so I wouldn’t have to give out my personal info to individual providers. Now I’m wondering about the site’s usefulness going forward.  

You are way off on the risks for us. Plenty of hobbyists get robbed…it’s something we worry about every single time we see someone new. I’m not saying the risks are the same—they are not—but our risks are not minimal.  

It's still a much smoother process using P411.  I personally don't mind giving an email for a reference or whatever. I think that when people have their system for verification that works for them we should give whatever information they need so they don't have to make changes for someone just because they are onP411 and have a certain number of okays.

You are correct about the risks.  I know a guy that saw a well reviewed visiting provider last year that showed up to a session at a nice MOA hotel and the provider was under the influence.  He placed the donation on the table and within a minute she started to undress and she fell over and was obviously too wasted to be working.  He quickly gathered his stuff and his money and exited the hotel room.  While he was waiting for the elevator, she came out and sprayed him with riot gear pepper spray and he needed medical assistance before being able to drive home.  He’s lucky she didn’t have a knife or gun.  That said, this isn’t the norm for a reputable provider with a track record.  

So, when she asks for your full legal name, a picture of your drivers license, and a link to your LinkedIn profile, you are perfectly fine handling that over?  There are no small number of providers who ask for this sort of information.

We have found , from someone on the provider side , how easy it is to pass their screening , with minimal information.  

Just don't give it to someone you don't feel comfortable giving it To.  

… for additional info, references etc. when I request an appointment through P411. That’s her prerogative.  And I can decide if I’m comfortable giving her the info she requested.  If it’s a reference request, that’s not a problem for me, but I don’t like asking providers to provide references when they’ve already taken the time to give me an OK on P411. Also, P411 requires that members show the provider the ID used for their P411 ID if she asks for it (ok to hide some info like address). But no provider has ever asked to see my ID.

This stuff started up a few years ago.  If you contact someone using P411 and only have a couple oks or are new I can see someone asking for more information.  But if you've been active for years and have many ok's some still want a copy of your ID or other personal information.  For me that's not happening ever for any reason.  I've got an 11 year record with 50+ ok's if that's not enough I'll move on to one of the other thousands of options.

Jordan, you are not on P411 so how is that relevant to what the OP asked?  He or I could not reach out to you there so what you are saying is really irrelevant.  I would not expect to contact you directly and say I'm a P411 member so see me that should be enough...that's not what the issue is and nobody in their right mind would expect that.

Personal info once given is never secure but I'd trust one source having a snippet rather than having 50, 100 or 500 individuals having it.  Odds increase with each release.

you are allowed to screen as comfortably as you want and we are allowed to screen as in depth as we want. Both can exist and still respect one another. first, thank you for acknowledging that P411 and the admin encourage and stipulate that providers should do as much screening as they feel is necessary. I think it's also important to note that P411 was sold and is no longer run by Gina; therefore things are not done as they were before. Just some quick bullet points...

It only has to end up in the wrong hands once.

There is also the risk of communicating with a provider and giving what one would think would be “private privileged prospective client provider communication” and it later gets shared publicly by the provider for tens of thousands to read.  I experienced this recently and it really has made me think twice about the provider I see.  

Trust no one with personal or confidential information of any kind, even with an NDA eventually you'll get screwed.  Once the horse you've been hiding is let out of the barn, everyone knows.  It's not like you can hunt it down, kill and bury it.  I've been burned so many times by family, friends, business associates there is no way in hell I'm giving someone with a stage name, twitter account, ad site anything of that nature.  They would not trust me with their info and I've got a hell of a lot more to lose I can guarantee it.

Jesus f'ing christ, Karen, are you still whining about JM disclosing to the board that you were begging to raw dawg her?  LOL!  If you'd relax and not say some of the most stupid comments on here, she probably wouldn't have taken a slap at your head.  BTW and FWIW, I did ask if she knew your real TER handle and I did not get a reply.  That's another thing...why are you hiding behind an alias?

You must have your P411 hearsay, rumor and innuendo talking points all documented for quick copy and paste.  I've been on there for about a decade longer than your stage name has existed and don't have any issues.  Is it perfect?  Is anything?  Its a hell of a lot better than sending out personal info or sending references to those who never respond.  If this business has one thing it's many who have zero admin skills.  Some are very good and a few of the assistants, one in particular is spectacular, kudos to them!  

Here we go again.  Can you get a room with Miggs and just have it out.  

too much time here but there are several points of your argument that could easily be torn apart as you should have used a scalpel and not a sledgehammer with your words. But again, I'm not fixin' to argue. So that being said...

“No means no.”  Really?  As if were together in person and I tried to physically sexually assault you and you said “no” to me.  I simply solicited you for your services and you shared those details for this forum to read.  Let me tell you that professional working ladies do not do that on a forum.    

I love P411 but at the same time please remember anecdotal evidence has limitations.  Just because your experiences are different from hers doesn't prove she is making things up or vice-versa.

So I understand the frustrations by the OP.   I too have been on p411 for over 8 years.   It has worked great.

It appeared he was questioning if P411 still has value, then you kind of jumped the shark to outside the platform.  

Exactly that, anecdotal evidence has limitations and does not apply to an entire service, group.  I completely get it and my point was trying to say it's not my world but it's not hers either.

Thank you for that, well done.  I was trying to get there but people jump in with topic changes or attacking the platform.  
 The attacks really piss me off because its's the same one's over and over, just let it go!  We need more participants not less.

I always check with the last 2 oks of a client coming from P411 for the reasons Paige states.

There have been several threads about P411 since last summer that I have gladly left alone simply because of you and your negative energy anytime someone dare speaks ill of the platform. I mean you get so bent out of shape about it, it's like someone pissed in your cheerios. But let us clear the air once and for all.  Some of these, I will quote from you exactly:

P411 at this time limits what we can put in the policy section of our profiles. I tried to edit my policy section with a blurb about emailing me directly and not sending PMs on the platform but it was returned for some reasons. It may be worth trying again because there supposedly is a way to turn off P411's direct PM feature. But genuine question: do people actually read the policy section of a provider's P411 profile?

My beef is you seem to want to tear down the platform at every opportunity.  As a member of the community you should be building it not tearing down parts of it or painting parts with a firehose of doom and gloom.  What are you trying to accomplish with these continual negative posts about the platform?  You have your standards, fine, I'm ok with that and I think everyone is ok with that.  Why do you put out info in broad strokes that could prevent others from joining and growing the community?   Are more participants better than fewer?

All this is the same same stuff you post over and over on each thread about P411.  I could go down the list and give details of a different experience but why? It does not reflect the entirety of things just YOUR experience or things you may have assumed because of what was done/happened.

Others have it clearly written.  I think you can turn off PM's.  I've seen in the past where there is no PM button and the only way to contact is email or with the appt request.  As for policy section,  I read every word, I'm sure others do as well because there is not much info to go through especially when many fields are left blank.

Sorry if it doesn't work or isn't for you.

Minnesota’s most bored hobbyist made a comment about me seeking BBFS.  You replied and said “Can confirm.  He is a boundary pusher.”

reading comprehension isn't valued in this exchange. That's ok. Let me reiterate three things - maybe third time is the charm for you. First. I used my personal history for two reasons: 1) it's my experience - I'm not fixin' to lie about my experiences with a platform and 2) when I use other people's experiences you scream "hearsay" but I cannot name the people who have shared these experiences with me because y'all drove them off TER... I mean literally ran them off but go read their Twitter accounts for that information (re: they delisted). Second,  there have been several threads about screening and P411 since Summer 2021 that I have not responded to so don't even with the "here Paige comes" BS lol. The first time I state something in a year about P411 and you were on it like flies on feces. Finally, I've stated repeatedly that I I believe P411 is a good tool to have and to use but a person can LIKE and USE something *AND* have critiques for it. Both can be true at the same time just like a person (re: you) can say "P411 isn't perfect" (it's what you said) and want the platform to grow.  

You are correct that there is no reason to continually bash a platform and personally was on P411 with 15 OKs there before I ever wrote a review  on this site.  
Als ways felt that p411 along with TER reveiws was the best combination even in the BP days. P411 dropped in personal value to me when they dropped the provider use of her menu specifics so did not get sucked in by some mongers fake menu.  
Dropped it awhile back as no longer need it to see the providers I want to see .
Paige is correct about personal information as they never got mine as got on with provider references .  
Have heard many stories of providers being pressured to give OKs  
Also agree that many providers are so comfortable with P411 they will book without even opening one’s profile. What they should be doing is after they open is check with one or two OKs - yes it defeats one premise of P411 but may supply more honesty then even references as one does not know who told on you.
As for Paige’s tenure in the hobby she has been around a lot longer then the Paige persona and has always been a class act.
To my knowledge she has more Hutzpah then a number of poster here who have to use their alias to make their point and do not seem to miss a change to do it over and over .

I'd relish the opportunity to meet him, I'd prefer a back alley rather than a room though.  As long as he continues to make threats to my well being (and say stupid shit on here) I will continue to call his ass out.

Tough guy behind a keyboard!  Didn’t I already challenge you to a golf match for $$$ and you chickened out/never responded.  I will come up to you in Brainerd if that works for you.  Fun summer golf courses up there.  Maybe after, we can put back some beers for all the drinks you wagered and lost on the links.  Only shit talking.  No idea how your golf game is.

Areant you too busy driving around Highschools and GED centers to golf?

"To my knowledge she has more Hutzpah then a number of poster here who have to use their alias to make their point and do not seem to miss a change to do it over and over "

Don't you ever get tired of being a white knight for Paige Savage.  It is really tiresome.

Exactly the way I see it….the ladies are the ones providing a service so it’s their call on everything. Us guys aren’t forced to give out additional information are we?? So if that’s a problem for some then just accept it and move along.

Then there's been more than a few instances where gentlemen have shared P411 accounts in the past or accounts have been compromised some other way so I can totally understand why someone would like additional information.  
Also idk maybe we don't like being outed, raped or murdered either? Just a thought...

Alot of games on both MNE and P411. Some respond, 80% + do not. I sure miss the Massage Parlors (back in the day) less talk, more action.