It's prostitution. It's just such a mild form of prostitution, there's no sense in trying to sting it. Who's going to fly in a bunch of eastern block or asian women to tell the degenerate johns they can only wank with the ladies on their laps?
I'm sure plenty of DIY providers get hassled by LE, but only to try to get the organizers or worse, free service. Doing DIY is more about the women's preference. And when she approaches it from the angle of 'this is as far as i'm comfortable with', she can provide a smoking hot time. If she's more from 'this is how i don't get busted, but still can double the rate cuz i'm hot?' then it's not so great.Ok, so I've been curious about something for a while now and am finally just going to ask: Is B2B massage really "legal" if it's DIY? Just for the record, this isn't really my thing, but the curiosity is killing me. I've done some research and I can't find a MN statute that says it's ok. It appears to me that any sort of sensual massage is illegal. Does anyone know for sure? If so, do you know of a statue? Have DIY therapists ever been bothered by LE?
Thanks!
Oddly enough, I have found language of that type in the Minnesota criminal code (anyone else know regarding what non-offense?)--but it is a rare exception.
Anyone can take one piece of a post and answer it like a Richard... I asked about precedent also. I.e. - anyone know if people get picked up for visiting a DIY massage girl?
Like another poster said if it's a serious complaint & they realy want to create a case of it,
yes they could count and question customers just as they would if you're visiting any provider or a SWP. ( the counting is for the IRS.
LE makes arrests out of much less things .
Thanks! This is very helpful... If I'm interpreting this correctly, it is clearly sexual in nature and therefore illegal? However, it doesn't appear that they enforce it unless there is a complaint?
Do you know of any instances where a DIY provider(s) were busted? I'm not talking AMP, but other groups or independent ladies.
Thanks again!
It's prostitution. It's just such a mild form of prostitution, there's no sense in trying to sting it. Who's going to fly in a bunch of eastern block or asian women to tell the degenerate johns they can only wank with the ladies on their laps?
I'm sure plenty of DIY providers get hassled by LE, but only to try to get the organizers or worse, free service.
Doing DIY is more about the women's preference. And when she approaches it from the angle of 'this is as far as i'm comfortable with', she can provide a smoking hot time. If she's more from 'this is how i don't get busted, but still can double the rate cuz i'm hot?' then it's not so great.
The massage turns illegal once she touches your junk or you touch her " swimsuit area".
So, if the B2B can be done without rubbing any of those areas, then you are fine.
Massage "misconduct" isn't directly defined as a crime... As is often the case, if a certain type of business has a licensing or overseeing body in the state government, that body imposes rules using administrative law, not criminal law.
MN Statute 146A.08, for instance, defines prohibited conduct to include, and I quote from statue:
"(d) Engaging in sexual contact with a complementary and alternative health care client, engaging in contact that may be reasonably interpreted by a client as sexual, engaging in any verbal behavior that is seductive or sexually demeaning to the client, or engaging in sexual exploitation of a client or former client."
But these are not crimes, they are license violations that expose the provider to an administrative fine of up to 10,000 and license forfeiture, but not prosecution.
BUT... HERE IS THE CATCH, and this is the biggie... Being a licensed, or unlicensed practitioner of massage or alternative health does NOT exclude you or your actions from MSA 609.321, which defines the criminal act of prostitution (a misdemeanor) as:
Subd. 9.Prostitution. "Prostitution" means hiring, offering to hire, or agreeing to hire another individual to engage in sexual penetration or sexual contact, or being hired, offering to be hired, or agreeing to be hired by another individual to engage in sexual penetration or sexual contact.
Subd. 10.Sexual contact. "Sexual contact" means any of the following acts, if the acts can reasonably be construed as being for the purpose of satisfying the actor's sexual impulses:
(i) the intentional touching by an individual of a prostitute's intimate parts; or
(ii) the intentional touching by a prostitute of another individual's intimate parts.
Subd. 11.Sexual penetration. "Sexual penetration" means any of the following acts, if for the purpose of satisfying sexual impulses: sexual intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio, anal intercourse, or any intrusion however slight into the genital or anal openings of an individual's body by any part of another individual's body or any object used for the purpose of satisfying sexual impulses. Emission of semen is not necessary.
Yet tantric massage is a legal & taxable practice. Lol Mn !
So... According to your post, DIY massage whether topless or nude IS legal if neither parties touch each others naughty bits?
Um boobs ARE naughty bits. Well at least mine are...Xo. Then there's strip club ordinances to think about.
Either way IMO This damn state has too many obscure laws that don't make any sense.
If they wanted to crack down, they'd use zoning before anything else like they did the first time during the RR days.
So, yes they can go after the customers too. Also
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but exposing yourself in a public place ( massage parlor room counts as public)
if there were some kind of raid to happen & you got caught in it(god forbid)
you can get cited for being excited. Not much of a charge but it's still embarrassing nevertheless.
Good luck with your dreams of being untouchable to LE though, really mean that. Xo
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There is about all the information on this subject that you need in the prior posts.
The likelihood of prosecution for DIY is extremely low. Is it going to make a difference if the masseuse doesn't have her hand on your junk when you're both nude, you're jerking off, and she's lying next to you kissing you? Who knows? If the provider or the massage establishment is a nuisance to neighbors, or there's a politically-minded police chief or local prosecutor, then that fine a distinction is probably not going to matter.
If you're troubled enough by the prospect of doing something "illegal," then put your mind at ease and stay away from the hobby
I know you and the other helpy helpertons are trying to be big shots on the local TER board, but you are accusing me of trying to hobby while staying within legal boundaries. That's simply not the case. Like I said in my first post, DIY is not "my thing" (for the record, Trin Lake is more "my thing"). My original post was more of a curiosity because I see DIY ads that always say "I stay within legal limits". I fully realize the inherent risks of the hobby, but thanks for the advice anyways, Dad.