What's prompting me to write this are all the recent posts about massage and guys complaining if they get no release with a massage or don't see that a release is advertised with a massage.  

For what it's worth...

I have worked in saunas here and other places.  Every place was almost the same.  If someone in the establishment knew you, then you got the service that you wanted.  If the establishment did not know you, you were only going to get a massage unless you could pass "the test."  (Guys who have been around should know what I mean by "test.")  

NOW, not every guy that attempted to pass the test actually got through.  This can be a very scary business, especially when you have to deal with the threat of LE trying to bust you.  If you are a licensed massage therapist, and you get caught doing anything even close to illegal, you will loose your massage license.  If these girls don't know you, and you are acting at all like you could be LE (i.e., trying to ask for extras for $, making blatant hints that you want extras, etc.), then she is not going to feel comfortable with you, and she is not going to give you the service you are looking for.  Sorry to say, but this is something you HAVE to expect if you do not know her.

Hobbyists and providers are not the only people who read these boards on a regular basis, LE does too.  I don't know any girl in her right mind who is going to advertise on these public boards that "I offer incall massage, and for an extra tip you'll get a release."  That is just asking LE to make a visit to you.  

Now, I'm not saying that this is going to be the case with every girl on here that advertises massage, etc.  Some may be all the way legit, and that is their right.  (In their defense, I HAVE seen guys ask where's a good place to get a legit massage, search the board for the past year.)  But I really think if you get to know some of them, you'll find that the case is in your guys' favor more than not.    

I truly believe there are a lot of guys reading this that already know this because they have been around since "back in the day" (prior internet).  Those who keep bringing this up seem to be the same guys, and I will bet a lot of you have never had a sauna experience.  

What I am saying, no asking, please give these girls a break.  In the past, on these boards, if a guy couldn't "get anything" at an establishment, he'd ask if anyone else has had any luck.  More times than not he'd find someone who had.  Lately it seems that there are guys out there who'd rather have a negative attitude to the girl.  Hey, if we were all able to be truly open and legal about this, THEN you'd have an argument, but reality is that it's not, so your approach has to change.  Just keep an open mind guys and girls, and give the each other a chance.  

There, I've said my piece.