Last weekend I was trolling BP and saw an interesting ad. When I called to respond, a lady with an Asian (Chinese, I think) accent said the girl was there, full service, $180 for an hour. When I hung up she texted me the address, which turned out to be the Motel 6 on Cleveland Avenue in Roseville. I didn't like the sound of the set up so I passed. Now I'm wondering if I should have done more, in case this girl was being exploited. So, any advice?
Here is some news from earlier this year...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:k7g8iy5Y0GIJ:rosevillereview.1upprelaunch.com/main.asp%3FSectionID%3D1%26SubSectionID%3D1%26ArticleID%3D6723%26TM%3D19510.51+police+sting+motel+6+roseville&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Note the usual tropes in the article: johns are weak-hearted, fainting at the sight of the cops. Prostitutes are drug-addicted, forced into the trade by men.
They use "many" and cite examples, but clearly they intend for the reader to think "all."
Again, election year. Gotta keep piling up statistics. There are elections to win.
You were smart not to go... IMO.
I don't know how you'd phone in a tip to the police on this one... "I just happened to be looking for escort ads, and this one looked suspicious?"
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pz_KEfmv3KcJ:minneapolis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/and-sexy-asian-girls-waiting-for-you-25/6975818+6l2-2l4.6399&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
If so, its a fake no matter who is on the other end of it...
http://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiufCIBX9kBmiIPeoto0f1_1DzipV9AIW44rm8DTSvga8YsCyEcx6r7BX7uGAHNc_1hZ_1BjP1CWQNWp_1JA16KO_1q7k-zFhpOj03CddK2lqu7kRgGwSt5j7hFg0xgcvxDJhsQ9dUhViDer0xjgytnLKUJdU1YB9PyyD0oo8ULxbOcnVENLF5inEvoo5eeLB9634TAMe-pitCQUPkaf-H4eqhBGMQ53nt2QzGRHKH9QM38AyXIHviLu8icsGcD52R6JykVCqVF3PRMusRxr92-rkWcXMEon8LXspxjbOtkLvurixpEXRxzK16jtgBZ0SjBQoMnqcxIAc6KG9Ur5S13zaDxy-IGcJH5fD0ZasjzrHy5jIzktlpETkf2uDNN1S-2pAHk7hQ6vewHuyrp_1N6n40w9NT4H4Sk-xY9D4qnPt1A0rsIhf7cSY5GcfdfaFJ7HrpZ6bBI3XTFQ5nJYU1rug0ht3XosfexUCwrSySWGdW2AG4oNI8LiuN4ZCpOdopulikXRO9soOT9P-Unv5zgEyBhtaegA8bxLItUObuhFPJdCXPBkV-2vL87n68TdRI-o3T0gCLhesGvhs48tQ-qKXd5l828P8GuFH_1DbbB0TovS1w3es09TLbS5X35fkH6WWh_1qFOWOOMe7UN5GmhjLSv-MHmgDxiQlb96G5CbA2lZYGTw_1ol1XLzmcKWd1DMrHcVdcpLiYXnOZA8k1hNdIA1bHldk1vnC_1hLKfEFSOuwf19Dhq9Bnjlx49ukXYlDDlurO1FDM-KAtjT7yhje7SY4ALBoVjOaEHRwFAk2hTTtnNUrxbW1eytDFVG7fxFPSQpi7tZBssfRfO6IC6YywdsCG36lSY4SkETUzftRofZEBw_1YpABnIfZY9vV4A30Sw7JVX1vXm1PAgISgraFxfrx6Sa_12gArIOvbbmxzXnBKGgw2d8iWt_1-Zq1Yu6l3q4dW26Om6WN8Q7hZBa0e5dFh0jixLMKtCZfl4j7Qki4zkWZ1YXi5uEXJVfkg29G1mWjj67BsrSZE5uLyCp1_1PwC5uSuvFRNnFEUoaVg6KYHzBzO-sJ3UuZjx_18LHYl0INFltEzTX9I6A65ybpFYEbcj_1fvnQofkc5RBnUTeL0YJmcpCpHHIlIKT5ivX5u9sXVOrY40kbE40LQ5s8bcXVu6Lew5NHYW-ojFuaU70mBv-ypO81W54jzeipqvaif5rqLU78QET-zV8EI8siFORelJLZ3AcGzC0giz7384ne-jNEFm6_1_1yRNO4qBCT0Hhn7a18wLMkfMaO9lso2_1P6E1i3M34HT50siKXImyA&hl=en&biw=784&bih
-- Modified on 7/22/2012 6:42:36 PM
The pics were fake, but, the women weren't. They're legit and you never know what you're going to get (aside from Chinese). I'd suggest the cheapest option available with these girls as they are going to rush you out as quick as they can.
If so, its a fake no matter who is on the other end of it...
http://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiufCIBX9kBmiIPeoto0f1_1DzipV9AIW44rm8DTSvga8YsCyEcx6r7BX7uGAHNc_1hZ_1BjP1CWQNWp_1JA16KO_1q7k-zFhpOj03CddK2lqu7kRgGwSt5j7hFg0xgcvxDJhsQ9dUhViDer0xjgytnLKUJdU1YB9PyyD0oo8ULxbOcnVENLF5inEvoo5eeLB9634TAMe-pitCQUPkaf-H4eqhBGMQ53nt2QzGRHKH9QM38AyXIHviLu8icsGcD52R6JykVCqVF3PRMusRxr92-rkWcXMEon8LXspxjbOtkLvurixpEXRxzK16jtgBZ0SjBQoMnqcxIAc6KG9Ur5S13zaDxy-IGcJH5fD0ZasjzrHy5jIzktlpETkf2uDNN1S-2pAHk7hQ6vewHuyrp_1N6n40w9NT4H4Sk-xY9D4qnPt1A0rsIhf7cSY5GcfdfaFJ7HrpZ6bBI3XTFQ5nJYU1rug0ht3XosfexUCwrSySWGdW2AG4oNI8LiuN4ZCpOdopulikXRO9soOT9P-Unv5zgEyBhtaegA8bxLItUObuhFPJdCXPBkV-2vL87n68TdRI-o3T0gCLhesGvhs48tQ-qKXd5l828P8GuFH_1DbbB0TovS1w3es09TLbS5X35fkH6WWh_1qFOWOOMe7UN5GmhjLSv-MHmgDxiQlb96G5CbA2lZYGTw_1ol1XLzmcKWd1DMrHcVdcpLiYXnOZA8k1hNdIA1bHldk1vnC_1hLKfEFSOuwf19Dhq9Bnjlx49ukXYlDDlurO1FDM-KAtjT7yhje7SY4ALBoVjOaEHRwFAk2hTTtnNUrxbW1eytDFVG7fxFPSQpi7tZBssfRfO6IC6YywdsCG36lSY4SkETUzftRofZEBw_1YpABnIfZY9vV4A30Sw7JVX1vXm1PAgISgraFxfrx6Sa_12gArIOvbbmxzXnBKGgw2d8iWt_1-Zq1Yu6l3q4dW26Om6WN8Q7hZBa0e5dFh0jixLMKtCZfl4j7Qki4zkWZ1YXi5uEXJVfkg29G1mWjj67BsrSZE5uLyCp1_1PwC5uSuvFRNnFEUoaVg6KYHzBzO-sJ3UuZjx_18LHYl0INFltEzTX9I6A65ybpFYEbcj_1fvnQofkc5RBnUTeL0YJmcpCpHHIlIKT5ivX5u9sXVOrY40kbE40LQ5s8bcXVu6Lew5NHYW-ojFuaU70mBv-ypO81W54jzeipqvaif5rqLU78QET-zV8EI8siFORelJLZ3AcGzC0giz7384ne-jNEFm6_1_1yRNO4qBCT0Hhn7a18wLMkfMaO9lso2_1P6E1i3M34HT50siKXImyA&hl=en&biw=784&bih
-- Modified on 7/22/2012 6:42:36 PM
The really obvious advice is that you shouldn't even consider seeing someone you can't verify in some way.
(As for LE, they are likely already watchful regarding exploitation/underage providers - and the larger concern already noted is that LE may have done the posting.)
1. You cannot save everyone, even though you wish you could.
2. Stay away from the No-tel motel type places, the Motel 6's etc.
There are a lot of Asian escorts who come to the US to work and while some don't do it voluntarily, many do. Unless it is clear she is doing this against her will, which strikes me as very hard to tell from a phone call, you could just as easily be bring LE down on someone who's just trying to make a living.
I was worried about so-called "exploitation" with the first girl I met. She had voluntarily got involved with it and it wasn't to her liking so she was leaving the next day to go back to massage. The jump from giving HJ's to fat old guys to sleeping with em was a bit too much.
The fact that she was ABLE to come and go and had choice was enough to settle any doubts I had. For not liking it she was also probably the best encounter I had with their agency.
You used common sense, good. If you don't feel right about something, you should follow that instinct. But, you shouldn't start throwing around allegations of exploitation, stings, etc. without something credible first.
I've seen girls from this outfit in various locations across the city. I was skeptical at first (and they still are a very last resort) but, they provide a good quicky outlet. They are NOTHING like the Thai girls that so many of us frequent. But, they are still legit.
Homework goes beyond just seeing if a girl is using a fake pic, and people should be able to pick out fake stock photos that most Chinese/Korean agencies use. When I see a stock photo in a massage ad, I expect it. I will dig deeper though, if there's no intel. I'm glad I did with Masami, as I would have missed out a few excellent sessions I had in her short time of being here. (She used fake photos too.)
Here is what you have done. With no other evidence than a woman with an Asian accent, told you about services and rates, then texted you an address, you JUMP to the conclusion that it was a set up, and that women were being trafficked from some foreign land, against their will. Then, you come on a public forum, and out the motel and city where these illegal activities are taking place, and wonder if you should have done more. How many more mistakes could you make in one post.
If you are that paranoid, you really need to get out of this hobby. Its just not for you. And, please keep these unfounded ideas to yourself.
Sorry - I disagree.
I don't know if I would have jumped to the conclusion of human trafficking, but I would have avoided the situation altogether. If the thought occurs to me that something is a set up, I am not going to find out for sure.
Naming the location? I have no problem with that. I would rather the community be informed about the suspicions than having that information kept to himself.
In this activity, paranoia is a good thing. They are after you.
So your suggestion would be to spread unfounded hysteria across the boards?
If you have a bad vibe you should follow it. But, you shouldn't spread your unfounded hysteria across the board. Quite a leap was made from concern from self to the need to alarm fellow hobbyists.
I don't know if I would have jumped to the conclusion of human trafficking, but I would have avoided the situation altogether. If the thought occurs to me that something is a set up, I am not going to find out for sure.
Naming the location? I have no problem with that. I would rather the community be informed about the suspicions than having that information kept to himself.
In this activity, paranoia is a good thing. They are after you.
If I had a sense that a "sting" was in place, I would certainly inform the board.
Everyone can make their own determination as to whether the information provided is good or bad, but you really want to make decisions based upon less information rather than more?
So let hysteria run it's course. Divulge names and addresses in a public forum on a bad feeling.
I'm sure the ladies are going to love you!
A couple of things:
No where did I say I would divulge a name of a provider.
If I think police are running a sting at XYZ motel, I would say that in a heartbeat.
Do you want to go to XYZ motel and get busted? If someone has a bad feeling about a location I would rather have that information conveyed. Everyone can make their own judgment about whether the information is useful or not, but if someone else is suspicious I would rather know.
I don't disagree that actual information about stings or rip offs should be posted on this site. BUT,l and this is a big BUT, there has to be some validity to the assumption. Just talking to a woman on the phone, and getting some strange intuition just isn't enough to warrant this kind of post. That is an enormous leap, and does no one any good.
However, if men have a valid reason to think something is going on, then, YES, by all means post it. Valid reasons might be something like, "unmarked squads in the parking lot"., or "the provider trying to get you to incriminate yourself", the woman "trying to get YOU to mention sex and money in the same sentence".
But, just talking to a woman with an accent, who gives out her price on the phone is no reason to cry wolf on these pages.
And, again, if the original poster is that paranoid, it might be time for another hobby.
Just my 2Cents