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my 2 cents
rambleon1 199 Reviews 1322 reads
posted
1 / 13

prominently on Eros and several hobbyist seem to enjoy. First, when you call you talk to someone that sets up an appt and then the girls don't speak English well meet you at a hotel or now I hear an upscale apartment. Second, the price point is extremely reasonable for a GFE menu; so I wonder if these girls that also move around from place to place and are based out of San Francisco are here paying off a debt to get to and remain in the US. For me, that presents quite an ethical issue and I'm wondering if anyone has any information? This has been used a a form of high class sex slavery by Asian pimps in the US previously. The girls seem to have high ratings from hobbyist and are very enjoyable to be with but I'm still left wondering and it has kept me from checking them out even though I've gotten personal recommendations for other hobbyist. I'm not VIP and do not have PM now if you wanted to respond to me personally. Please respond here.

DickCurious 734 reads
posted
2 / 13

I've been wondering the same thing and had planned to make a similar post this evening. I happen to find Asian women very attractive but with the recent increase in numbers plus their limited language skills, I'm inclined not to indulge because of suspect trafficking issues.  

Posted By: ldm51560
prominently on Eros and several hobbyist seem to enjoy. First, when you call you talk to someone that sets up an appt and then the girls don't speak English well meet you at a hotel or now I hear an upscale apartment. Second, the price point is extremely reasonable for a GFE menu; so I wonder if these girls that also move around from place to place and are based out of San Francisco are here paying off a debt to get to and remain in the US. For me, that presents quite an ethical issue and I'm wondering if anyone has any information? This has been used a a form of high class sex slavery by Asian pimps in the US previously. The girls seem to have high ratings from hobbyist and are very enjoyable to be with but I'm still left wondering and it has kept me from checking them out even though I've gotten personal recommendations for other hobbyist. I'm not VIP and do not have PM now if you wanted to respond to me personally. Please respond here.

Derpdydoo 78 Reviews 531 reads
posted
3 / 13

It's oversold.. How does a femininist or a holy roller sell anti-prostitution legislation to a more permissive culture?  Include "Slavery" and "Trafficking" to  the mix.

Any of the groups I've met of Asian women I talk to them to feel out what their situation is.  I recently had a night with one of the Bloomington girls who was skyping her mom.  She knew full well what she came to the states for and that she was going to make FAR more money then being a housekeeper or working in some factory.

I would be more concerned about getting in bed with the prople behind the sham of "trafficking" then I am the ladies that come here.

2late 180 Reviews 725 reads
posted
4 / 13

From my conversations with some of these gals, I don't believe they are here involuntarily. They return to Thailand at times and send money back to their families.  One girl told me she skypes with her mother almost daily.  (I see Derpdy commented on this also)

I'm no expert but it doesn't seem like their culture frowns on their occupation like ours does.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

And yes IDM, the price is refreshingly reasonable and if they ever raise their prices, I think I'm great, great, great, great..........grandfathered in

larnel 2 Reviews 722 reads
posted
5 / 13

This issue comes up now-and-again here, so maybe it's time to put it in perspective.

You seem to be saying:

1: These girls are paid less than the going rate.

2: They probably can't advocate their interests well, because of the language berrier.

3: They may be afraid of their other alternatives.

4: They're going through this purely for the pleaure of American men, so maybe it's even worse.

You'd get no argument from me on any of those points. You'd also get a long list of legal, mostly male-staffed jobs that fail the same criteria.

Case in point: Most of the local hospitals use a medical records system called Epic. The company is based is Wisconsin and run by a woman.  She hires Chinese developers who are here on work visas. If ther're fired, they go back to China:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=chinese+executions&go=&qs=bs&form=QBIR

They aren't highly-skilled developers who can code in zSeries assembly and name their own salaries; they're grunts who kinda know PHP and CSS and would be making pretty basic lower-middle-class money even if they'd been born here. They're making less than that and working really bad hours.

If you're saying that the hobby is special because it's a luxury, or because of the health risks for the ladies, I'd disagree there too:

Lots of people work in shitty, dangerous, corecive jobs so that your wife can throw away a working toaster just because it's last year's style.  In human terms:

1: Somebody had to mine the materials.
2: Somebody had to truck those materials through a no-man's-land to get them to the edges of civilization.
3: Somebody had to refine them.
4: Somebody had to ship them across an ocean.

(Oil companies used to have legendarily bad shipbuilding standards because the ships were crewed by foreigners and paid for after a few runs anyway. Who cares if a dozen Central Americans grunts drown after that? They only got in trouble when they killed a British crew.)

5: Somebody had to work in the factory that made the toaster (maybe soldering by hand with lead- and cadmium-bearing solder, certainly working with tools that could cut a finger off if they were careless).
6: Somebody had to crew the ship that brought it over here (see above).
7: Somebody had to crew naval ships that police those lanes - and they are, *by law*, not there of their own free will.
8: Somebody had to work in the shipyards and drydocks to keep those ships running.
9: Somebody had to work on the dock, walking around under multi-ton cargo containers dangling from cranes and hoping to God that the wind wouldn't shift.
10: Somebody had to drive the truck that got it to the shipping warehouse.
11: Somebody had to haul big heavy skids around in the warehouse.
12: Somebody had to stand over hot tar in 120 degree heat to repave the road that those trucks wore ruts into.
13: Somebody had to walk around a foundary with a carafe of white-hot molten steel to cast parts for the heavy road-building machines needed to do that.
14: Somebody had to stock the shelves.
15: Somebody had to ride a garbage truck, weather be damned, to take away the old (still working) toaster.
16: And on, and on, and on...

...all so that cossetted housewives can have designers toasters, and 12-year-old Paris Hilton wannabes can have cute little tablets with no useful apps on them.

You could say that the people who work in those jobs are all bone-heads who couldn't get better work, but would you make that kind of argument about girls being trafficked? (It's also not true: I have at least one friend who escaped a war-zone to come here. He had to work his way up the hard way, while learning the language and the culture, trying to live a life and support his family. He wouldn't have gotten out of his home country alive if he hadn't been at least a little clever.)

Some people have said here that even trafficked girls get a better deal than they would have overseas. Whether that's in-bounds or accurate, family newspapers make that argument about low-wage, mostly-male jobs pretty regularly.

I also get that the ladies don't like cut-rate competition. I doubt that any of us do. Do you pay more for US made clothes? Would you pay more so that my job isn't offshored?

Speaking of clothes, there are two local suppliers of police tactical gear and uniforms. (They also sell other stuff.) I told a clerk at one of them that I wanted something US made; almost none of it is. Most of the labels list an East Asian origin. There's a good chance that the cops who bust sex-trafficking rings are wearing clothes made with coerced labor (and maybe child labor) while they're doing it.

I'm not really this self-righteous. You're only asking me to pass up something that I don't really need anyway (economical hot sex). I'm game. But what will you do for someone like my refugee friend? Also, I live pretty cheaply compared to most women of similar means. Not crudely, mind you. I like *nice* things. But it's rare that I buy something unless it's (a) functionally much better than what I have, or (b) to replace what I've worn out. Most of the rest goes into savings. If we're talking about net harm to human life, I think that my record stacks up pretty well. If you're willing to stop working people to death all over the globe so that little girls everywhere can have "cute" accessories, and you're willing to ask whether something is really useful before taxing the poor to pay for it, then I'll gladly play ball with you. (I mean that.)

2late 180 Reviews 419 reads
posted
6 / 13
drdimsum 530 reads
posted
7 / 13

I finally met a Bloomington asian gal couple months ago.  I had the same concern as you whether they are happy with their employment.  I made the appointment as much because after five years of trying my phone finally rang through and I could talk to May.  Never was able to before.
  The gal I saw did not do much up front in the first twenty minutes to allay my concerns as to whether trafficking might be a term involved with her life.   But at the end of our time,  she was a much different person and opened up quite nicely.  She was a bit older than advertised,  told of the 19 countries she had visited in this job and she seemed really sincere in her appreciation of the what the job has meant for her.  She wants to keep working and traveling and enjoys the money provided.  Although she agreed she was scheduled sometimes heavier than she would like,  her smile and eyes suggest she was very comfortable with the situation.  Only one gal,  but she had no regret.  I would like to see her again.

Posted By: ldm51560
prominently on Eros and several hobbyist seem to enjoy. First, when you call you talk to someone that sets up an appt and then the girls don't speak English well meet you at a hotel or now I hear an upscale apartment. Second, the price point is extremely reasonable for a GFE menu; so I wonder if these girls that also move around from place to place and are based out of San Francisco are here paying off a debt to get to and remain in the US. For me, that presents quite an ethical issue and I'm wondering if anyone has any information? This has been used a a form of high class sex slavery by Asian pimps in the US previously. The girls seem to have high ratings from hobbyist and are very enjoyable to be with but I'm still left wondering and it has kept me from checking them out even though I've gotten personal recommendations for other hobbyist. I'm not VIP and do not have PM now if you wanted to respond to me personally. Please respond here.

vorlon 119 Reviews 646 reads
posted
8 / 13

We have multiple people saying based on their personal experiences with them that they are here voluntarily.  As far as other girls whose English is poor, while trafficking is a possibility, many immigrants or visitors who come to this country don't speak English well, not just attractive Asian women.  But figuring out whose being trafficked and/or has a pimp (is there really a difference between the two) is not that easy.  Case in point; several years ago there was an escort here in Minnesota with a high profile and excellent reviews who looked every bit the independent.  Sometime after she moved away she was involved in a fairly high profile arrest involving another girl who was forced into prostitution; it turned out that not only was the first escort not an indy but had a pimp herself and she was actually helping him.  Nasty situation.  I don't recall her name and wouldn't mention it here anyway as I believe she was delisted but the point is that figuring out who is doing this voluntarily and who is doing it against their will is not so easy as we might think.  I can only suggest that if you are not comfortable with the situation then don't see them.

rambleon1 199 Reviews 421 reads
posted
9 / 13
rambleon1 199 Reviews 529 reads
posted
10 / 13

the variety of opinions. Some very good points have been made.......You guys are much more thoughtful than I ever imagined....JK LOL

Derpdydoo 78 Reviews 521 reads
posted
12 / 13

Their rate is right in line with a one pop session.  You want a bit more you got to expect to ante up a bit more.  I've ended up paying as much as a normal top end provider in town.

I suppose, living in a market where a guy taken care of himself and paying $200 for the privilege, actually sleeping with a woman must seem unheard of.

rustyagain 558 reads
posted
13 / 13

Posted By: Derpdydoo

   
 I suppose, living in a market where a guy taken care of himself and paying $200 for the privilege, actually sleeping with a woman must seem unheard of.
Ok, I found that hilarious, but I think, judging on their success, I'm in the minority who is in total agreement with you about the DIY body rubs.  
:)

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