Go mow the lawn you little shit!... No wait, that wasn't the one I was thinking of. Nevermind, I forgot.
But George Bernard Shaw said, "We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing."
Yes, I'm a silly grown ass man. Always.
Pricing appears to be a taboo subject in an odd part of our hobby culture. The guys are constantly reminded that “this is a business”, but that inquiring about prices “will offend me”. Really? I thought this was business. There’s no crying in business!
I know there are books and websites that coach providers on all aspects of their business, but being in “the hobby” for close to a year now, I am really perplexed by the odd pricing structures that exist within the provider community. My many years of business experience and logic seem to fail me in this arena. I understand new providers starting out at a lower rate and slowly building up a positive reputation allowing them to raise their rate. I see and understand “grandfathering” of rates to show appreciation for those that helped build your reputation.
After talking with many providers about their ideal business model, it appears that most would like to see a select few clients that are fun, clean, and respectful in multi- hour sessions. This makes perfect sense to me. This model would reduce LE exposure risk, reduce screening time, improve the return-on-investment for incall facilities, and reduce pre-appointment prep time. What doesn’t make sense to me is that I see few instances of price structures that encourage that model, and some that actually discourage it.
Example: General Specials. I call this the “Kohls Effect” have you ever bought anything at Kohls and paid full price for it? If you wait just a week or two it will be on sale and you’ll feel like a sap for paying full price. What would make more sense to me is a returning client sale. That might encourage me to visit the provider at full rate so that I would be able to take advantage of future specials.
If I were a provider, I would make sure that my ideal appointment length was most attractively priced and after seeing a client, before they left, offer them a reduced rate on their next visit if you wanted to see them again. I think that this would build a loyalty that would be hard to tempt away with specials or new provider rates. It usually is a lot cheaper to keep a customer that get a new one.
I read all the horror stories from providers about bad hygiene, abusive behavior, etc... that they run into and I wonder if it couldn’t be avoided if they incented their best clients to return. I know I must be missing something, so ladies, I know you won’t be able to discuss this openly, but please use your aliases to educate me/us. Also, is there a polite way to bring this up without insulting a provider?
Note: Perhaps these incentives all exist and I’m not near as clean, fun and respectful as I've been led to believe!
The last sentence of your post shows the problem.
Whatever an escort does with pricing get around back channel lightening fast. If Client A finds out the Client B was offered a special return rate and he was not hurt feeling set in. Multiply that by however many Client Bs are not offered that special rate and anger and drama set in. They may start bad mouthing the girl and trying to ruin her reputation. Who need the drama?
Even if it doesn't negatively effect your business, no lady wants to hurt a man's feeling. Y'all have fragile egos and none of us want to crush them.
So, if she offers a special for returning clients, perhaps with a minimum number of visits or maximum time since the last visit (or perhaps not if that causes problems), does that seem workable? What problems do you see with that?
We all have men we do not want to see a second much less a third, fourth or fifth time. If everyone is paying the same price we can just be 'unavailable' when they try to book and they won't think much of it. But if they know you offer special prices for returning clients or those who book X amount of hours and you are never available they know something's up and the drama ensues. Endelss calls/emails asking what they did wrong, ect.
Hey, whatever another lady wants to do with her business is fine with me. I, however, like to charge everyone the same and offer everyone the special if I run a special. It is far easier that way for me.
I have been offered liftime special prices and never have I told anyone that. Thats about as smart as hitting yourself in the nuts. I would think a sure way to get the special taken away. How about a punch card?
I don't mind if a gentleman I all ready know asks me about some incentive for him to come back.
I had a car repair special offer I extended to several that I was all ready acquianted with. None took me up on that offer btw. Guess I suck at marketing!
Butt when someone I've never met starts off asking for a discounted rate.......bad form in my opinion. And it usually goes down hill from there.
Bosco-You can pm me anytime!
Kisses,
Sassyred
sure wish I was not new to this whole thing and looking at you Red I would never ask for a discount wow very stunning
After the 5th visit? It would amount to a 20% reward for being a loyal customer. Maybe we could trade vouchers, kind of like 'cap and trade'.
The problem I have heard with it is that it becomes very difficult to get that free session to actually happen. Of course, it may be that the only times I have heard about it is from guys who have run into this problem.
Like, Frequent Flier Miles".
would you work 5 days at your job and be okay with only getting paid for 4?
Yes, Remy, If my boss paid me $300 an hour, I might give him a break now and then.
And, there are SOME women in this trade, who complain loudly, when a guy is ten minutes late, and after paying $300-$400 hopes that he might get his full hour.
My personal opinion is that women should just set their own rates, offer specials if they choose, and let market forces decide who gets the business.
"My personal opinion is that women should just set their own rates, offer specials if they choose, and let market forces decide who gets the business."
Amen. You said what I was trying to say only better and more succinctly.
Bravo!
I'm not suggesting that women shouldn't set their own rates (Not looking to inspire a union vote here!). I'm just wondering what all is considered when setting these rates to ensure that they are getting the results they are looking for. For instance: Remy's comment, on working a fifth day without pay. If a provider saw 5 repeat clients 4 at $300 and one a "freebie", she would bring in about $240 an hour (1200/5) On the othe rhand, seeing 5 new clients at $300 each (no freebees) but has to spend 30 minutes checking references for each of them she only nets $200 an hour (1500/7.5). She also incurs the risk of a "bad date", NCNS, LE etc...)
Amen. You said what I was trying to say only better and more succinctly.
Bravo!
Bosco,
That math looks really good but in reality....
We all have slow times of the year.....and even my best regulars cannot see me every week or even every two weeks all the time. This is not a poor mans hobby....this is a luxury. Seeing a provider is not necessary it is a fringe benefit so your math does not always pan out the way you're adding things up.
This is not a poor mans hobby and this is definitely not a broke, dumb, or poor womans business. It is very expensive to maintain anything connected to being a provider. It also takes an intelligent woman to maintain a reputable business. Most girls do not see 4 clients a day everyday....not even 5 days a week does it work like that.
The administrative cost of doing my business is a small consideration of my pricing structure....the bulk of my thought process as it pertains to my rates comes from all the crazy wild shit I do during my sessions....outside of me standing on my head, while playing a banjo and singing "Pussy Control" all at the same time, there is not too much I don't do....so yeah my rates are high. I live up to and earn every dime I charge....
You really won't stand on your head, strum a banjo and belt out Pussy Control? That's a great marketing tool!
It's impossible to keep a straight face while watching someone trying to blow the chorus of Pussy Control. As someone who has to spend countless hours inside of nightclubs, I have seen it done probably a gazillion billion times and it is always funny.
Now add in the banjo, and standing upside down, maybe have a spider monkey dressed as a cheerleader dancing right beside you - that could be a great ice breaker! Ya know, like if you have a nervous client or something?
I mean, I know if a provider did that for me, it would be an automatic ten on the review. How could anyone possibly not classify that as a once in a lifetime experience? Don't discount the idea, you might be on to something!
OMG I swear I could NEVER remain mad at anyone with you around.............
Silly ass.........just a plain ole silly ass..............funny as hell....silly grown ass man.
Go mow the lawn you little shit!... No wait, that wasn't the one I was thinking of. Nevermind, I forgot.
But George Bernard Shaw said, "We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing."
Yes, I'm a silly grown ass man. Always.
Sorry RealP, the $300+ is for all of the time up until the appointment plus the time you spend with her in private. You may think it is only for the hour that you see a SP.
However, there is more time invested to this business than the one hour you spend with a lady. Remember, the lady must be clean and somewhat groomed, return emails, return phone calls, post ads, clean her incall, go to the gym, have her nails done, wash all the sheets and towels, shop for supplies...on and on.
From a providers perspective and if you were a male provider...you would have your face and body plastered on allllllll the advertisement sites....but you would never know how your clients looked until the door opened.....so since men are very visual you would NOT give up 5 free minutes to see a woman you were not physically attracted to....but female providers do it everyday all day with a smile on our faces.
If your boss asked you to do the following...and do this whole list COMPLETELY SOBER:
1. Suck a pussy...that is attached to a woman you are not physically attracted to AT ALL.
2. fuck a man and be fucked by a man right up your asshole, then fuck his wife!...hey we see couples!!
3. lick a womans asshole...then lick her husbands asshole.
4. deal with a filthy mans NASTY FUCKING SKID MARKS...or his wife may not understand the meaning of water nor soap....so try to figure out how to work your way around a gross smelling poong tang...attached to a very unattractive lady that you need to make happy else your rent and reviews may take a hit. (and you can ask her to shower....but that doesn't mean she will actually go take a shower.....and even if she does.....she may miss some very pertinent areas of her naughty parts)
5. dealing with hearing how he never gets to dfk, then when you see his brown, green, and orange teeth complete with wart hog breath....it hits you as to why NO ONE WANTS TO KISS A YUCK MOUTH.
6. deal with body odor that can cause A SKUNK TO GET UP AND RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!
7. deal with wearing a perfect size 6 and still be told " you are larger than I thought you would be?"
8. deal with wearing a perfect size 6 and still be told "I thought you would be larger than you are?"
9. have to take 4-5 showers daily which means you cannot use regular shower gels and lotions, my shower gel is almost $10.00 an ounce and only comes in 8 ounce bottles.
10. live at the nail salon
11. never have a bad hair day
12. pay for your own medical, dental, and vision insurance
13. have a lawyer on retainer
14. constantly travel which at a bare minimum is going to cost 2K just to get out of the door to start a tour
15. either get your make-up tattooed on your face or spend a small fortune keeping up with the latest trends.
16. updating photos every 3-6 months
17. joining, participating, and hiring a personal trainer at the local gym
18. paying a baby sitter
20. most men would run for the hills at the MERE THOUGHT of a Brazilian Wax...or getting any sort of body hairs yanked out every month via hot wax and a piece of material. Yet I fork over $200.00+ every month to maintain a smooth surface down there, on my legs, my pits, and my brows.
21. spending a small fortune on advertising....this month my Eros ad was $330.00 my Date-Check ad was $370.00...I still have to re-up my P411.
22. paying taxes
23. paying a website designer
24. keeping a vehicle in great running condition
25. The never ending purchases of lingerie and clothes
THE LIST IS ENDLESS......
I am not talking about knuckle head fly by night girls who get in the business and get out as soon as they realize this is not as easy as it may appear....I am talking about the women who run this like it is a business bc it is a business. None of us just decided to put a "For Sale" sign on our asses one day....and if we did........ohhhhhhhhhh after about 3 months we quickly realized this is serious business. I love my clients to life and yeah I do specials....but I would not give my "boss" a break every now and then....bc Chrysler, my landlord, Nevada Power, and OMG my kids colleges don't do IOU's
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What would you pay to never have to endure 4, 5 or 6 again greatly reduce your exposure to LE and hostile clients? Rewarding your best customers would get you that.
I am sorry hun we are not on the same page........
I don't attract hostile clients PERIOD EVER NEVER. I don't have drama during a session. I don't get clients who are like that......I just don't draw that type of disrespectful negativity into my world. I am painfully direct and blunt if a man comes off 1% crazy during screening I will not see him.
The reward my clients get is knowing they will be weak at the knees when they leave an appointment. I am an experience...complete with a hot shower and scrub down, meals, booze, massage, in-call at a 5 star, and hell just pick a hole and fuck it I am totally and exclusively PSE......so there is the reward. There is nothing else that can be done after all that and to ask for a freebie would put a client on my do not answer his calls or emails....it would be totally taking advantage of an already great situation. I swear if a client asked me for a freebie he would never have to worry about seeing me ever again in his life.
When purchasing a Mybach...............the dealer does not throw freebies in....this is NOT let's make a deal.....
I would NEVER insinuate that you are not everything you claim to be and more. You are certainly a beautiful woman, well reviewed and get a lot of repeat customers. I also would never insinuate that you don't earn every penny you make, and to be clear it wasn't I that suggested the "freebie" business model, I was just defending the idea in that it supported my perspective that in might make good business sense to incent frequent, known clients to return.
To your analogy, I will bet you dollar to donuts that your Maybach dealer won't give you a freebie, but after you make your first purchase will provide incentives to you to ensure that you continue to be a Maybach customer and keep you out of the Bentley showroom.
I don't attract hostile clients PERIOD EVER NEVER. I don't have drama during a session. I don't get clients who are like that......I just don't draw that type of disrespectful negativity into my world. I am painfully direct and blunt if a man comes off 1% crazy during screening I will not see him.
The reward my clients get is knowing they will be weak at the knees when they leave an appointment. I am an experience...complete with a hot shower and scrub down, meals, booze, massage, in-call at a 5 star, and hell just pick a hole and fuck it I am totally and exclusively PSE......so there is the reward. There is nothing else that can be done after all that and to ask for a freebie would put a client on my do not answer his calls or emails....it would be totally taking advantage of an already great situation. I swear if a client asked me for a freebie he would never have to worry about seeing me ever again in his life.
When purchasing a Mybach...............the dealer does not throw freebies in....this is NOT let's make a deal.....
People who can afford a Maybach....don't ask for a FREE MAYBACH. They don't want the driver to drive them for free for a year or a day...they want their driver to be HAPPY!!!
A person who has enough to buy a Maybach is in a very peculiar situation.....where else is he going to get his mansion on wheels serviced? He cannot just run down to Big O's and buy tires, or go to a ten minute oil change, or to a normal car wash....or go get a tune up anywhere else except for the Bentley dealer. He can go to anyyyyyyyyyyyy Bentley dealer on the planet...but he has to go to a specific expensive place to maintain his EXPENSIVE vehicle.
Sounds like you have 25 reasons you hate your job, and maybe should begin searching for a new career.
I was not trying to get anyone to change their rate structure. I just get tired of $300 an hour women ($400 in your case) complaining about how tough their jobs are. On one hand providers come on here to write "I love my clients to life", but when it comes to a discussion of money, those same providers have a littany of reasons why those same clients are so dispicable.
I have no axe to grind, since I really don't see too many women who post here. So, my opinion is probably not too relevant.
it doesn't mean I don't want to be 100% compensated for it.
your doctor/therapist/car mechanic/personal chef/chiropractor probably love their job too... getting paid doesn't mean you don't love something; however, loving something doesn't mean you are willing to do it for free.
i have a few regulars who, after seeing me weekly for several months have been offered a different rate structure because i value them as people and as clients. BUT that is the exception rather than the rule.
Those are my 25 reasons MOST MEN (including you) could not handle being a provider baby....plain and SIMPLE!!!
How can you think anyone wants to smell an ass full of shit, or smell someones bad breath? So in your opinion if anyone doesn't want to smell bad breath or see skid marks they really don't like their job. Soooooooo do you like your job? What kinda job description includes: "must like the smell of shit, and has to love worse than morning breath?" ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!
Men see: hot babe, decent reviews, great rate....she goes on the to do list.....THAT IS IT!! Most men don't take the time to think about what goes on behind the scenes.....and usually the behind the scenes stuff is what makes our rates the way they are.
Being a provider is cool...it really is...a lot of us have sooooo much fun doing our jobs.......what is not cool is when guys who have never been women or female providers....start thinking this is easy to do....or when they start bitching about rates......there are ladies on TER who charge as little as 40.00 an hour....there are also ladies on here who charge 5K an hour.
My advice to you or anyone who questions rates is to find someone who fits into their model of how much they can afford to pay and stick with her.
And, there are SOME women in this trade, who complain loudly, when a guy is ten minutes late, and after paying $300-$400 hopes that he might get his full hour.
My personal opinion is that women should just set their own rates, offer specials if they choose, and let market forces decide who gets the business.
Depends on what I was getting paid for those first four.
No alias needed.
I am SO happy you brought this up! I agree with everything you say.
I have been a SP for over 3 years and have been following this repeat business model for 2.5 of them.
Quoted from my website: "Since I am generous with my time, there is a special discount if you
have see me twice (or more) in the same calendar month."
I am doing some restructuring (as you noticed the announcement on my blog), and you are correct about the returning guest part. Stay tuned!!
Loves it slippery (and not the roads),
SG
It was actually your business model that inspired me to ask the question.
Many offer returning clients a better rate, not all. My objection was when you said only giving a special rate to returning clients you LIKE. I find it better to treat everyone the same.
If you have 100 escorts you'll have 100 different ways they run their business.
Part of the beauty if this business is you run it as you see fit.
I hadn't thought about the backchannel repercussions as I would never jeopardize my "deal" by discussing it with others, but I could see how it might happen. It just kinda stinks that you are put in a position where you can't take care of your best customers for fear of what would happen for pissing off your worst.
I think the real confusion behind your question is (perhaps) your assumption that every provider that is in this business is motivated by the same thing.
It would make sense, if you look at it from one perspective, that a woman who chooses to do this business is money motivated, but there are as many perspectives in this life style as there are human beings to percieve it.
Also, this is a world of grey areas. Not everything is set in stone. There is as much value in choosing this path for money as there is in choosing this path for myriad other reasons that can not always be explained or sometimes even admitted to.
For every woman who has her degree in business, has crunched the numbers, has a good business model for running her business, is saving for the future, and has compared this business to other business', and has chosen to do this for a set time in order to make the money she wants to make.....
There is another woman who is motivated by independence from bosses, who values her solitude, who needs just enough money to get by, and uses her time away from clients and her business in order to pursue other interests.
These two women would run their business in very different ways.
There may also be a woman who lived a straight and decent religious life for many many years and just stumbled upon a whole new personae. She may find that the life style of a provider suits her longing to be a slut at every given chance. Maybe subconsiously she just wants to fuck and be fucked by anyone and everyone she meets. And the fact that she gets money from the men who fuck her leaves her feeling elated and like the dirty little sinner that she is. Then she goes to confession... etc..
She would run her business in a completely different fashion from the other ladies.
Maybe there's a lady who secretly needs to be punished. She gets off on risk, on living on the edge. She needs men to be rough with her and she only derives pleasure from fucking complete strangers. She likes the money but she likes the idea of strangers fucking her and being rough with her even more.
How would a business model of giving return clients a discount serve her purposes???
There are so many different scenarios. I bet if you started thinking about it, you could come up with many many more. Many ladies you probably have already seen, who fit different profiles than the woman who has a head for business.
Why wouldn't your business suggestion work for me? Because once I make the amount of money I want to make in a month, I stop seeing people. I turn off my phone and go about my real life as though I wasn't even an escort. I love my clients and have become friends with many of them. I enjoy their company as well as their continued financing of my life. But I love myself more. I love my time away from the business more. I'm not motivated by making lots of money, and I don't need to give my lovers financial incentives to come and see me. They come, when the time is right, they come. And we fall in love all over again.
And then they go away, and life goes on.
Sorry for the long diatribe, but it's a good topic. I think it's very important to understand that you will never understand the real deep down honest things that motivate other people.
The best thing for a hobbyist to do is just enjoy the ride, don't try to wrap your mind around it.
Wow,
I just want to say that this has been a fantastic discussion. Considering how much emotion (and rightfully so) there has been flying around this issue, the insight, and respect exhibited has been admirable. How each of you chooses to structure and promote your business is, as many have said, your choice, and as others have said, we will make our choices accordingly, and the free market will shake it all out. I can't imagine how each of you ladies face the challenges before you each day. Fortunatly it seems there are at least some hobbyist's out there who appreciate the gifts given, and try to show appropriate appreciation.
Thanks.
DISCUSSION being the operating word. I am impressed 
Lina
Not all of them are in way of MONETARY discounts.
Example #1 For established client I will fly to see him for 6h date
Example #2 Established client can count on same day appointment.
Example #3 Established client can enjoy additional social time on certain occasions
Example #4 Clients who book extended dates on regular basis definitely enjoy lower Daily rates.
But in order to experience these "incentives" one has to actually become established client
Here is something you should realize, if ladies are doing something in certain fashion, it works for them. If it did not, they would change it.
Lina
Here is something you should realize, if ladies are doing something in certain fashion, it works for them. If it did not, they would change it.
We do have the infamous "we are doing things this way because that how we always done them before"
Fortunately there will always be ladies who will look for ways to work smarter, market themselves in a way to attract the patrons they are compatible with and enjoy their work.
Some of them have replied to this thread and true inspiration.
Lina
Interesting conversation here. A couple things. Why would a hobbiest backchannel a "deal" he gets from a provider? Kinda like kiss and tell, just stupid in my opinion which is why I am using an alias. I am a guy who enjoys multi hour "dates", and like to see the same person multiple times.
I used to see a gal who had an hourly rate of $300, so her rate for 3 hours, wait for it, $900. Made no sense to me and I asked her more than once why no discount for multi hours, she said she could do what she wants. well so can I and I no longer see her. I still would if she had a different multi hour rate.
Now I've been spending time with a gal with a $300 hourly rate and a 3 hour rate of $675. I frequently pay her $1500 and we spend 12-16 hours together and recently paid her $3000 for a 4 day getaway. She would have had to see 10 guys in that 4 day period to make the same money, but she had no screening because she knows me, and got to travel and sightsee, and eat in nice restaurants. Now I'm no high roller, but my situation supports the OP's point. To sum this up, she thinks she got a great deal going with me on my trip and I think I got a great deal traveling with someone who is hot and fun. I'm not sure how many women would make that deal with me, ladies, would you rather see 10 guys in 4 days or 1 guy for 4 days for the same amount of money??
Guys blab an awful lot of thing they shouldn't to other escorts. I don't know why other than sometimes hot, sexy women make us really stupid.
"Why would a hobbiest backchannel a "deal" he gets from a provider? Kinda like kiss and tell, just stupid in my opinion"
Yes it is stupid, and it is done *all the time.* It's very stupid but they feel the need to brag, or they just happen to mention it in passing. But it happens *all the time.*
"I used to see a gal who had an hourly rate of $300, so her rate for 3 hours, wait for it, $900. Made no sense to me and I asked her more than once why no discount for multi hours"
Having a discount for multi-hours wasn't the question, or if it was I misread. I do offer I price structure that gets lower per hour with each extra hour.
*My* only objection was ONLY offering a special rate to clients you like. That is just not a good idea IMO. But other may do as they wish since it's their business. I treat each client with the utmost respect and try hard to give them a great time whether I click with him or not. I want him to be happy he chose to spend time with me.
"I'm not sure how many women would make that deal with me, ladies, would you rather see 10 guys in 4 days or 1 guy for 4 days for the same amount of money??"
I may be weird but I would rather see 10 men in 4 days than one in 4. I treasure my solitude and being 'on' for four days straight would not be my cup of tea. I have done the 3 - 4 days away with several clients and realized it isn't for me.
Thanks for your reply. Different strokes for different folks is what makes the world go round.
And yes the OP wasn't talking about multi hour discounts but i brought it up to make a point. Yes only offering discounts to certain people may not be right, but if the gal wants to keep certain people as clients she should do what she needs to. I give discounts to my steady customers occasionally to keep them happy. I would much rather give a steady customer a break than give a break to someone who just wants a good deal and then will move on and never come back.
If you don't want to go on weekend getaways because you value your solitude, thats fine too, just trying to make the point that she has no screening to do, or worry that the phone won't ring, but she has to feel comfortable being with me for 4 days, and me with her. That's the hard part and to each their own.
Hobbiests backchannel everything. They are jealous if you give one extra stroke to someone. *smile
I see your point about returning clients. They are screened already; less work. You know what you're getting.
I would rather see one guy for four days. Although it's a tough decision. There are a lot of variables that could influence my decision such as how much do we click, where are we going, how's business, etc.
As stated, everyone can and does charge what they want. Personally I like a price break for longer dates.
I never thought about offering a price break for seeing me two or three times in the same month. My regulars are usually just monthly. (Maybe that's why they are only monthly!) *Lightbulb moment*
After reading this thread I am now adding another category to my price structure.
Thanks for the tip boys! (and girls)
Happy Thanksgiving!
Hugs,
JD
I did have a price rate structure for multiple visits in one month, before noticing anyone else tried it. It was in place on my "Trysts" page as an incentive and "thank you" for my Francesca's Friends and Fanciers. However, when the economy hit a bad patch, my friends simply weren't able to visit more than once a month so I did away with it. I am always looking at my business model, trying things and making changes and in the past have taken into consideration many of the things already mentioned in this thread. Each woman must do what works best for her.
You just have to find the right lady looking for a more intimate relationship. They're out there
What I find interesting is the different reactions your post received.
I work as a contractor and get paid well, in excess of $100 per hour. For that, I have a number of my own costs that an employer normally covers. However, i am still paid so well that I often do not charge for hours I work above and beyond what we normally contract for. Just a cost of doing business and keeping the client happy.
I think providers all too often see clients as renewable resources. There will be another waiting if this one doesn't like things, and a such doesn't feel a strong need to incentivize them to be returning customers.
Now, I'm not suggesting free sessions, as hotel rooms aren't free and neither are a lot of other things a provider does to prepare for a session. But, discounts.. extra time ("Get 2 hours for the price of one"), that kind of thing would do wonders to keep guys you want coming back.
And if a returning client isn't someone you want to see, there is no rule that says you have to see them more than once.. so i don't think that's a valid argument.
But hey... I'm not the one doing the job, so it's not my place to dictate policy. But I know I would like to hear from my clients or potential clients what might make them a repeat customer.
Great discussion so far! I hope everyone is enjoying it as much as I am and that no one is taking offense to the candor offered by all involved.
Ladies, I in no way intended to question any of you as to your net worth as a provider. You are all worth what you are able to get in our free market economy, nothing less and probably more.
My question is: In a business that undoubtedly is easier to manage with a a known client base, why more isn't done done to incent repeat business? A few (very few) ladies offer a standard rate and an "old friend" rate that seems to compensate for the fact that they don't have to screen again, but short of that, I don't see much. Why don't more providers offer this "old friend" rate? Why does there seem to be a greater emphasis on drumming up new business that retaining the old?
To those questions, I really only have two answers so far:
1. MvAlias pointed out the bad feelings that could come up if it became known that she gave special rates to her favorite clients.
2. AnnaKaress suggested that motivations could be a factor. Although I could argue at most of the examples she listed would still benefit from maintaining a known client base, it does resonate that some ladies WANT to see lots of guys.
Anyone else care to share? I really do want to understand, it just seems so counter intuitive to me.
I am very low volume companion when I am home in NYC. While on tour I may see 2 - 4 patrons a day, in NYC i prefer to see 2 - 5 patrons a week, depending on how long the appointments are.
So monetary discounts don't work for my business model. I have same travel time and same costs of accommodations whether I have seen someone before or not. Time extensions do. This is why in NYC i offer packages such as Spa Dates, Clock Free Dinner Dates, etc which place emphasis on longer dates.
Lina
When my BM was in the business she never offered any such financial incentives. As far as she was concerned, she WAS the incentive.
Like many, she began slightly under the high-end standard rate, knocked it out of the park with a few soaring reviews, raised the rate and never looked back. No grandfathering, nothing.
It worked for her as well as she could have hoped for. She understood that there are quite a few guys who want to sample every flavor in the candy store, and there was no keeping them 'home' so-to-speak. Some only seek variety, not everyone is in the market for an 'ATF'. Nothing to be done about them.
But for those that were, she had no trouble keeping them coming back. Her advertising was limited to occasional TER posts and agressive start up sites that placed ads without her consent. Her business thrived off regulars, so aggressive marketing was never necessary, nor was frequent travel.
All she did, as she always says, is give them something they couldn't get any where else. What exactly that is, I couldn't tell you, because the real version I got at home was probably less endearing than the Oscar winning performances she put on for her clients.
She was is a stunner which doesn't hurt, but a lot of escorts are so that can't be it. She is exotic, so I guess she had somewhat of a niche, but I don't think it was that either. An unabashed freak with an open mind for various kinks, could be part of it. Her bubbly attitude and never wavering smile didn't hurt. Likely, it was the whole package put together - her uncanny ability to make every guy feel like he was the only man in the world that mattered, and that she was always horny and needed him to fuck her desperately because he was a macho neanderthal stud...or something like that?
Even to those who couldn't easily afford her rate, they found a way. I remember one of her regulars was a school maintenance man. I don't know exactly what they make, but coughing up $300 a week couldn't have been easy.
I think some girls have just got that 'it factor' that makes them irresistable at whatever the price. Most men know from experience, the right woman can completely turn your head around and make you throw practicality out the window, no matter how much of a pragmatist you may be. A girl like that doesn't have to make concessions, in fact often times she can keep raising the bar and her suitors simply learn how to jump higher. Sad but true.
However, it is only fair to note that she retired before the economy went to hell. I don't know how it would have played under current conditions.
I just think we should all be thankful that this is not a legal profession. The current government might step in and set the prices for everyone.
I think once contact is made off a site, most returning friends deal with the lady directly, thus (old friend rates) are discussed in person/private and not of public domain.
Some have sugar daddy's with which they've pounded out a spreadsheet to avoid miscommunications. 2 hours, 8 hours, overnight and special rates based on length of vacation. I think I have one of those somewhere LOL
The ratio of men who like variety and don't have the inclination or cash to ponder such things to those interested in a sugar daddy relationship makes putting an extended vacation package on one's website counterproductive. The same goes for a frequent friend rate... There are those out there that will try to get a special rate reserved for special customers from the jump start. No need to raise one's frustration level by posting such rates publicly.
Each lady is different. Some do make it clear on their sites that they prefer to form a relationship. Some do it by offering discounts for longer dates. This alone would lead one to believe she would discount further for multi-day dates or frequent return visits.
If you're interested in a lady and want to know her stance on extended dates or discounting one or two hour dates based upon frequency ask her. If nothing else, it makes for interesting conversation.
As far as seeing a lady for an hour once every other week goes: Most would give you a discount according to frequency. Keep in mind, some are VERY low volume making it difficult to give deep discounts due to expenses. Some find having one lady who sees very few clients worth the extra 50.00. But, one could conceive offering every 4th visit free if accommodations were taken care of.
With all that has been said, I think the problem is you're trying to ask ladies to make public what they usually arrange in private.
sometimes that includes a discount or extra time or lunch off the clock. I do not advertise these incentives but perhaps I should.