I think its a great idea to give TER some feedback on how to improve the system by both escorts and hobbyists alike. As Lisa said in an earlier post, the system is not perfect but it could also use a tune-up.

As far as having reviews pulled ..... that is strictly up to the administrator at TER. I don't know what the criteria is, nor the process. But here's something for the ladies to ponder, at least from one hobbyist's point-of-view ......
I read almost every review. If a lady has consistent 7-10s in both appearance and performance and then someone comes along and gives them a 3 in performance, my first thought is this. For whatever reason, the lady could just not deal with this guy. That's between him and her. But I also then look at the review as the "exception rather than rule." I really think other guys think like this also but who knows. Ladies, I can't imagine how painful some of these reviews are to read but I guess it comes with the territory.

I own a business and I can't please everyone but I am REALLY REALLY glad that they don't write about my body, size of the schwanstucker, and how many time I could cum in one hour!

All right, so here's your chance, how can TER improve the rating system. Put it up on the Board for everyone to read and I'll pass it "up the ladder".

-- Modified on 1/28/2003 9:18:44 PM

Should every hobbyist have the right to review?  I have read some pretty demeaning reviews recently.        

"Rule #2.  Be fair and honest in your reviews -- this is what the providers do for a living. PLEASE BE WARNED: We will not post any review that slams or denigrates a provider, nor will we post reviews that contain such derogatory terms such as: Cunt, bitch, slut – or any politically inappropriate wording that might hurt someone’s feelings."  

It doesn't state anything about this topic other than what's pasted above.

Should men who rape, rob or short be able to review?  What about men who overstay their welcome or are rough on a date?

The end result might be telling those that aren't gentlemen on dates that TER supports good behavior.  Then you come to the question of who do you believe if something can't be backed up?  I guess I'm happy I'm not the one policing all this.

I know one bad review won't hurt a ladies reputation too much, but it does hurt her feelings.  If you want full participation, there should be a feeling of justice and fair treatment.    

Regarding ratings.  I know the review in question gave her a 3 in performance, I've never seen a score so low.  I'd think to get a 3, you'd have that by just showing up. LOL

I hope you guys read this, especially those that don't seem to "get it".  Again, 99.5% of hobbyists are great guys.  It's that .05% that can really make a day hell.  

-- Modified on 1/29/2003 12:08:51 AM

I agree with both of the previous posts.  Not every meeting will be a great connection.  Anytime when 2 people get together, they will have different opinions. That is the piont of a review.  My tastes may be different or similar to other reviewers.

If you are going to post a review be honest and not cruel.  Give your opinion of the time spent with the lady by not being cruel.  This information should hopefully be used by the provider to improve themselves. For a consistancy perspective, it would be nice to have the rating scale de defined so we are all rating according to the same system.

Last but not least.  TER needs to accept all review regardless if they have a web site, no name posted in their ad, no email address.  TER gets a bit selective on reviews they will accept.  This could also be due to people abusing the system and making false reviews.

TER's rules: In order to keep our performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider may only earn up to a 7, unless she also performs the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. The addition of each offering will raise her score by one point. If your review doesn’t already accurately reflect this rating system, we will adjust it.

Looks is the subjective part.  Performance ratings are black and white, but many keep that subjective as well.  If a lady does greek but you don't take part, does that lower her score?  

Nothings perfect, but it would be nice if while writing a review, a pop-up appeared explaining the numbering system and reminded some guys that providers are real human beings, as human as hobbyists.

Another scenerio:  A man see's a lady based upon her reviews.  Those reviews say she's not fat/not thin.  He gives her a 5 in looks, who's fault is that if he prefers petite ladies yet chooses to see a lady not his type?  Should the lady get a 5?  Is she really a 5 or is she just too tall and has curves?  Then I see BBW's getting 8 and 9's in looks.  Bottom line, read the reviews carefully and choose the lady right for you.  Don't be an ass and penalize a lady for trying to make the impossible work when it's just not right (your fault not hers).  

It sure gets complicated.  No wonder this subject comes up so often LOL

When I read those reviews, I felt aweful for the both of you.  
Hugs
Misty
 

-- Modified on 1/29/2003 7:29:21 PM

"An escort provider may only earn up to a 7, unless she also performs the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. "

So, do you mean to tell me that if a girl has unsafe sex -aka- BBBJ, she's rated higher than a 7, but if a girl always uses condoms, is safe, and the girl next door, she can only have a 7 as a max?


THIS IS SICK!!!  And no one else thinks so?????

Also, reviews never "came with the territory" before, so girls, don't feel pressured into accepting that it has to be now.  I say forget the reviews, besides, that is evidence against you in the court of law, the Judges around here should know that.

sheesh, since when is performance marked by a specific act and not the quality of all the acts plus the demeanor, etc. guess it is like figure skating now. if you can't do a triple triple, you won't get a 9.6 eh?  granted two consenting adults can do anything they want, but to make certain dangerous acts part of the performance system is a bit unfair.  hmmm maybe there should be ratings for:
kink level
personality
looks
performance

ah, that's too complicated isn't it?  

On one hand, providing a numerical score is complelety unfair. Numbers are subjective, and no two people will ever agree completely on what a '7' is vs. a '3'. And different guys like different things. On one hand, guy A may be looking for a hot, passionateromping session, while guy B may want a more sedate conversation and a little romance.

Because of that, I don't think a numerical score starts to present an accurate picture until you get a really large statistical sampling.

On the other hand, a numerical score gives a quick "score" that can be used to provide a quick picture.

Perhaps some sort of system that was based more on a "what I was looking for" vs. "what was delivered", or something a little more descriptive in general. Perhaps more of a guided review

I dont think you were asked to comment on suggestions givin by others or you would be the moderator. Misty has some good points, and some those might not agree on. So add your suggestions and kepp the peace baby.

Even though I have retried from the hobby I still enjoy reading
the message boards, When I read the post from lady of leisure
I felt a strong urge to post, First let me start off by saying
this to LoL.  Dear weather I agree with with how the reviews or
how they score each provider or not, it is a supply and demand
community, The hobbiest is for the most part looking to meet a
supposed need, Some like to french kiss! and is french kissing
against the law? and as far as unsafe sex goes I would think
that a responsibe hobbiest would avoid a provider who is not
taking the nessessary precautions to have each person cover
up. and while I don't pretend to know all of the facts concerning
BBBJ, I do not see that as putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger, I guess the point that I am making here is
this. if you don't care to provide the services as others may
then please do not rip on them for doing so, It is your choice
alone to provide the kind of service that you are willing to
provide, and if you lose clients because of this, then o well
to bad so sad. the world does not revolve around what you alone
think or feel. And as far as reviews go,  If you look at Lisa and what she provides then look at how
many hobbiest rave about her and the fact that she has many
repeat clients then the story in itself tells the tale.
so Fish was right, chill out and if you can't stand the heat
in the kitchen then get out! I respect your right to not have
any reviews posted but I would also ask that you in turn
respect others wishes to see reviews of other providers. And
plaese keep in mind that a real function of the reviews is
to help prevent hobbiests from getting ripped off! and it in a
sense, also a vechile to bring two agreeable adults
together for fun or happiness or whatever there little hearts
desire, and you alone should not be the judge of that.
in ending this I would say to you to take care of yourself.
play safe and stay safe. peace be with you.

My comment wasn't to Misty at all, it was to the moderator stating what he said and what TER has in their policy, which Misty just happened to have posted.  I didn't mean for it to sound like I was responding to her personally, I know she didn't write the TER rules.  Peace?

BK,

Once again, you hit the nail on the head. Numbers don't represent well, and if the guy does not have a membership then he can't read the actual review, only see the numbers.I say get rid of the numbers! I think the review system on another board is a good model for review systems. Also, the rating system is subjective, but you have to take the good with the bad. My "5" will stand. I would never lie to have it removed. The only time a girl should be able to have a review removed is if the guy really crossed the line. I actually have started to look at my "5" in a new light. I think guys start to get suspicous if a lady never gets an average or not so great review. Anyway, I made my point, that is what this board is for. Also, I must reiterate that I never used names or made accusations towards anyone person in my initial post. Any names that are mentioned in any other post has nothing to do with me. I simply made an observation, and wanted to air it out. Also, reviews do come with the territory. This is the Internet age of this buisness. The Internet benefits providers in many ways, but obviously it can be harmful as well.

I for one think that given enough reviews, the common Joe Blow individual can average the provider out to the nearest rational expectation. A bad review would seemingly indicate that someone, either provider or hobbyist did not have the typical day or appointment that they usually are expected to have. A numerical system such as TER is bound to stir up a pot of dissent on the ratings and basis of those ratings and not surprisingly that is inherent in a subjective nature of any review.

There really is no perfect system to rate anyone. If you have a sample of 10 different individuals reviewing one provider you will most certainly have 5 or more that have differing opinions, then extrapolate that into another 20 reviews and you have an even broader more varied result.

You can get a good idea of the quality of an individual provider and the consistency with a number of reviews regarding that provider, a thrown out number could be 5 minimum reviews to gauge a provider somewhat accurately. A difficult read would be the singular 1 or 2 reviews that not anyone can discern if that is an accurate review or a YMMV issue.

Anyways,  my two scents worth of ramble.

another great idea from bk
i like this "delivered the goods idea"
i expect something completely different from broadway pizza vs. murray's vs. yvette's vs. jim's diner etc...... each one gets a "9" for different reasons based on my expectations going in. likewise sometimes I am feeling a little PSE/GFE/S&M/ROM/GGE(ghetto girl experience) and rate accordingly based on category.

and I gave up the looks thing along time ago.... and I try to tie to a category now: housewife scale, KOD scale, BBW, svelte scale, face, bod, blah blah overall, etc.  I've always felt I rate latina's much higher than I should have or really kinky verbal providers... ect. I am guilty of tossing objectivity out the window too....

when I am searching, a lot of high marks from a broad range of folks goes a long way for me or reviews from one of the guys I've met or trust from his past reviews....

alas, I am spending way too much time on this board lately...

"It goes with the territory" was meant as a sympathetic response to the sometimes cruel and/or inaccurate review. I should have also said that "and it goes with the territory" instead of "but". Finally, you'll notice in the next paragraph what I would think about anyone judging myself or my performance. Sheez, being a mod can be fun!  (I really do enjoy it but now you know why I don't start many discussions.)

Thanks for all who have contributed. Keep it going.

Here's a questions for the escorts and maybe this is out there on TER someplace already. Should there be a place to rate the hobbyists especially the dangerous, cruel, dumbf**k, d**khead, stay-too-long, bad kisser, foul-breathed, unwashed, dirty, make-up-your-own adjective or adverb. This would be an "escort only" area as part of the dues you pay. Might help you with the screening process. If you don't want to post, email me here or at [email protected].

Hey All!!

Know what?..I've never seen Lisa yet I DO know that I'd love to spend some time with her.

We haven't been able to connect but, we have chatted on the phone and if that was my only experience..I'd rate it a 10!!

Give her the rating you want, but look at the web site and look at the reviews!!..Duh!!

Just IMHO..

Pat

For better or worse, I wouldn't see anybody if I couldn't see reviews.  I tried participating in this hobby 'blind', and it was a nightmare.

Also, for better or worse, many clients prefer an uncovered bj, risks and all.  That's just the way it is.  If a client prefers a covered bj and prefers to avoid escorts that provide an uncovered one, reviews can be a good way of letting him know who to patronize.  

Everybody wins.

Honest, accurate reviews create business.  That's what this site is about.  

I have seen a fair number of the "quality" ladies.(They are much more than "providers") My personal experience has varied between fantastic to incredible. When I have experimented with those of lesser credentials, the encounter has usually been less enjoyable.(I'm getting smarter) When I read reviews of lesser praise of those ladies I personally have had a great time with, I always suspect there are other factors involved. I agree with srvfan that they  should have a private forum regarding hobbists. They deserve all the information they can get. BTW regardless of the specific "services" each provides-attitude is everything. LadyofLeisure, I like your spunk and pride!

You were right, I was just stating facts and posing questions for discussion.  Just trying to get communication going, seemed like a great topic.

To address some questions...

"So, do you mean to tell me that if a girl has unsafe sex -aka- BBBJ, she's rated higher than a 7, but if a girl always uses condoms, is safe, and the girl next door, she can only have a 7 as a max?  THIS IS SICK!!!  And no one else thinks so????"

I have close friends in the business who do everything covered and get stellar performance ratings.  I truly believe it's a subjective thing and appreciate that TER isn't a Nazi about it.  Safer Sex:  We've already discussed that.  Tons of info out there and everyone here is an adult.  I would hope that anyone partaking in this hobby would inform themselves of the risks and make a decision based upon their findings (See link to Red Door Clinic in same discussion thread).  I advocate abstinence if you're short on cash as well.

"Also, reviews never "came with the territory" before, so girls, don't feel pressured into accepting that it has to be now.  I say forget the reviews, besides, that is evidence against you in the court of law, the Judges around here should know that."

I don't mind the reviews as long as the guys are respectful.  Reviews probably keep some hobbyists hobbying if they find what they want rather than a crap shoot out of City Pages.

I used to think it was dangerous to allow reviews.  As of now... they really prefer to have first hand evidence.  Most cases are plea bargained or dropped based upon direct evidence, not hearsay.

There are things that offend me, but for the most part, it's a great discussion when everyone feels free to speak their minds.  I respect your position on the dangers of STD's.  I might not agree with some things, but I'll try my utmost to show respect.  

Sincerely
Misty

My posting wasn't directed to you at all Misty, it just happened to be under the post you made. The issue wasn't with STD's, it was that this board gives a higher score to a girl if she performs certain sexual acts, and those stellar girls who don't do specific acts, who still are probably just as great, can only have a maximim 7 rating.  Not fair in my book, but maybe I'm missunderstanding.


To the guy who thinks all guys want BBBJ's and reviews: no they don't, otherwise I wouldn't be in business. I've been meeting plenty guys here, and don't offer either, and don't feel there is a need to for me.  To each his/her own though and I do not feel ill towards anyone who does. (why should I?)  I thought this was a place we could speak freely, even if we have an opposing view.  I'm not trying to make anyone think I'm right, shit, half the time I know I just like to talk to try to be part of the group.  People here have high tensions though, and can't handle it very well if someone thinks different than them.  Diversity is what makes this country great, and a healthy debate is good.

By each review on Amazon.com there is the question "Was this review helpful to you?" People reading the review can select yes or no. Then a line reads something like 10 of 30 people found the following review helpful. Maybe TER could use something like that where the reviewer is also being reviewed. It won't stop bad reviews or cheap shots, but by putting a score on the reviewer it might keep them honest.

I didn't miss your follow-up post.

I wasn't the one who brought up STD's and safer sex.  

Again, I am friends with and know quite a few ladies that get above 7 in performance without giving bbbj's and I see ladies giving bbbj's who get under 7 in performance.  TER posted some guidelines, which I copied here to discuss.  I wasn't trying to make a statement or tell anyone what they should think.    

Neither was I, I was trying to let you know nothing was directed to you, I agree with what you are saying.  Sorry you think I'm attacking you or something, I was trying to reassure you I wasn't.  The meaning must have got lost.  Sorry 'bout that. As I asked before - Peace?

Some time ago, I posted the same type of question to the providers, what is bad about us and there were some interesting answers. It would be great for the providers if there was a way to rate the clients, but in all honesty, if that rating were made available to the clients, would we be thick skinned enough to take the bruttal honesty??? Probably not.

I would not see a provider that didn't have some type of rating that I understood. I have seen providers that have had a few bad marks, so that didn't stop me. I tried to see the entire picture and was hopefull of good encounters.

We are all judged some way or antoher. Be it in our wage scales and performance reviews, grades in school or othere forms of comparisons. And we all feel that these probably are not entirely fair. The big issue is providers are judged in a very public forum and on very personal attributes such as looks and attitude. Tough for anyone to take espeically if part of that judgement can impact your income.

If the system were a 5 star sytem vs a number system, we would still have the same conversations we do today. If the reviews were brooken down into "acts" such as CBJ vs BBJ or French Kissing vs No french kissing etc etc with out some type of rating leave performance out of the equation. As one of the better known providers has said constantly - The best will rise to the top and the others will be placed where they deserve.

As a hobbyist, I rely on the reviews. For the most part, I beleive as others have said, that many of the hobbyist are honest. But as in everything - there are the complete and raging ass holes that feel a need to unload on someone. Providers are sometimes the ones they unload on.

Let's be honest with ourselves as well - there are a couple of reasons we post - 1) so we can tell someone of the great time we had!! We typically can't tell our regular friends for fear of... you guessed it..... public judgement!!! 2) We like to be able to advise other hobbyist of problems and when we submitt good reviews we think it will help the providers.

Seems we all need to udnerstand that we are all judged and rated - you can not please everyone with any system. I have seen other rating systems on other boards and this is the easiest for me to understand and helps to set expectations for me and the provider. Not trying to be a TER shrill here - just stating my humble opinion.

Fatman

That board because our lists are getting long and its hard to play phone tag with the girls to warn them.  I for one have been using reviews as a way of screening clients.  For exp.  Foul mouthed in a review seems disrespecful in wording and so forth.  Most likely a bad client.  (OH MY GOD I did see the word toliet paper and a$$ eater in a recent one?)  I wanted to throw up. Anywho it works wonders as well for the great reviews that are well put and helpful.  It makes it interesting to meet the man behind the creative mind.  So long winded I agree Dear MOD.  Time for the girls to get the same kind of help the guys do and to keep the good guys happy and get the bad apples out of here.  Madison

First, I like the idea of an escorts-only board where the ladies could confer about particular problem clients, ones to avoid, and so on. I think for their protection, it's a wonderful idea.

The problems that I see with rating clients is first of all confidentiality. While the lovely ladies already have forms of protection for their identities, while most of the guys do not. OTOH, it could be a good database to be used by the participating ladies in lieu of a recommendation.

Second problem is that if it is escorts-only, the guy in question has no rebuttal ability. It could be abused if there was some sort of a client/provider tiff (not like that ever happens).

TER doesn't strictly adhere to the rules and allows discretion on the reviewers part.  I didn't take your post as an attack, but I did feel the point of this thread was lost at one time LOL

I have been off the board for a while and missed most of this discussion, but thought I would add my 2 cents. I would like to note that much of what I read seems more about drama than coming up with a solution.

Yes I think that providers should be able to have thier own forum . The girls need a way to communicate about the 'scum of the universe.' Let's face it guys it would take a very strong woman to be able to shrug off a bad experience and not bring that experience into your session. It serves us all to freeze out the jerks, both providers and hobbiests. If some of you remember an earlier time in the web, there used to be BBB's [bulletin boards] that served both groups. I am not sure why the old 'provider' ones went away, but we should bring them back. It could be as simple as a page on the site for 'provider alerts'. Of course, if our real names are used, then the girls should expect us to ask for their ID in return. Quid pro quo.

As for the ratings,until this profession is made legal here in America [unlikely anytime soon], we need a place to try to keep it safe, honest, and real. The reviews help the hobbiests find the ladies who match thier interests. This is in everyones benefit.

I agree with previous messages in that if I couldn't read the reviews I would not continue to participate in this hobby. Like many neophytes, my early forays into the hobby were not worth repeating. What would be helpful would be for the ratings system to pop up when you fill out a review as a reminder.

Most of us can read between the lines. At least the numbers in the rating system give us something to go by. Perhaps our ratings should give the oportunity to change such listings as bbbj and price. Then the numbers wouldn't matter so much.

The bottom line is that this or something like it is here to stay. For the time being, those of us who pay a premium and who use higher tech to hunt and hook up are separating ourselves from the run of the mill street hustlers. We pay this to be more assured of a safer quality experience. This review board is another step toward a safe experience for all participants. Let's get that message board for providers.

JJ

allow providers to comment on the reviews posted about them by including space underneath the review. Definitely, would allow a more accurate account of the particular session...