Has anyone been able to schedule with/heard from Julia (TER ID# 380588) lately? No reviews in several months, but I noticed her ME posting seems fresh (first page, but I'm not sure how ME postings are organized.
 I'm hoping she's still scheduling/back as I have been trying to schedule with her for years (since the days with her friend Shelby who I also missed out on).
Anyhow, any clarification from anyone?

Have you been able to schedule with Vera, Lilly Grace, Brandi Rodriguez, Lora, or Ashley Mae? I believe Julia has the same scheduler and if you're not on "the list", good luck getting a response.

Interesting -thanks for the sorta depressing info.... What drives these agencies to deny clients with good references?

and without a satisfactory answer.

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The reality is: no client is entitled to an explanation for why a Provider —or their scheduler, assistant, or agency chooses not to book with them. Full stop.

 
I get that it can feel frustrating or even confusing when you have references and still get no response, but there’s a reason many providers (and agencies) opt for silence instead of explanations: it’s safer. Engaging with someone to say, “You weren’t a fit,” often invites pushback, entitlement, or even retaliation. And frankly, nobody owes anyone that emotional labor.

 
You might be polite. You might have seen others. You might be a great client with one provider and still not be someone another wants to engage with. That doesn’t make you a bad person but it also doesn’t entitle you to access. Providers and agencies talk. We vet in ways clients don’t see. And angencies also build lists, because trust is earned, not handed out.

 
So when the answer is silence? Take the hint with grace. It’s not personal—it’s about safety, COMPATIBILITY, and BOUNDARIES. The same way clients decide who’s “worth” their time, providers and agencies do too.

A couple years ago I got called to an issue in the cities that needed immediate attention and had no choice but to get in my car and head south.  I knew that it was going to be a turn and burn but I'd have time after I put out the fire to have some fun before I headed back home.  I was rolling thru St. Cloud around 10 am and sent an email requesting info on a late afternoon appt and rec'd a quick email back that the gal I wanted to see was available.  I replied that I was waiting on a phone call I had expected soon that would dictate my afternoon and asked if they could hold the appt for about 15 minutes or so for me and they confirmed that they could.  Within a few minutes, I rec'd my call and found out that I was going to be involved longer than I wanted with no known end time so I replied back with the news and said I couldn't commit to an appt but would try later in the afternoon when I was sure and hopefully, there would be an open slot yet.

That was the last time I had any positive communication with that house and was basically told to pound sand after I cost their worker to lose money because I no-showed.  Neither facts or context mattered.  The appointment I had tentatively set with their full agreement and canceled less than 10 minutes later was enough to get black balled from that house.  There are some lovelies at other bordellos that are just fine getting an appointment however.  It's just the way they roll and as long as there are dudes in line, they have no reason to change.  There's plenty out there, move on.

Just as you say... there is no entitlement. Although we all hope for grace and generosity, and might sometimes end up making friends, emotional response on the front end of the engagement is always a mistake. Good manners are the only choice.

This reply kind of proves my point. You asked them to hold an appointment, a favor they didn’t have to grant, and they agreed. Then, within minutes, you backed out. That’s not “negligible.” That’s a late cancellation, and in this industry, it’s not uncommon for one no-show (or even a near-miss) to land someone on a no-book list.

 
And while your reason may have been valid (I’m quite sure it was), here’s the part that’s missing: you could’ve asked how to partially compensate them for the time slot they held for you. A partial payment or a gesture of goodwill goes a long way in this business. Providers are self-employed, and last-minute gaps = lost income.

 
You want this to be treated like a business when it suits you but not when accountability is involved. Agencies and providers don’t blacklist people for sport. We do it to minimize uncertainty and risk. If someone shows early signs of being flaky (even once), they’re likely to prioritize others who respect their time more clearly.

 
Boundaries aren’t punishments, they’re policy. And if you “moved on,” great. But maybe don’t frame their decision as unreasonable when you admit yourself that you cost them money after they did you favor they didn’t have to do in the first place on a last minute request.

He didn’t book an appointment though did he? He asked if they could hold a time slot for 15 mins while he figured out his availability, when he found out he couldn’t confirm the appointment he reached back out within minutes. I don’t understand how you think it’s canceling when he never confirmed he was good to go in the first place.

Paige,

You explained that perfectly.  But here is one for you that happened to me.

I booked an appointment with an agency or booker that is on the up and up.  The provider was on the up and up.  Good reviews, etc.  It was a traveling provider coming to the area.  I booked about 5 days in advance for a Sunday appointment.   It was about a 2 hour drive for me to get to the location.  So about 3 hours prior to appointment I get the directions.   I plan accordingly and make my drive.   I arrive like directions say from the booker.   I wait, and wait, and wait.  15 mins go by.   I finally get response from booker saying..... Provider doesn't see clients on Sundays.   My question to you.... Should that provider show a 'token' of good faith towards me?   especially since they know or say they "dont see clients on SUNDAYS.

BTW.... would like to state.  I have used that booker after this event and things went smoothly.   Also this traveling companion hasn't been back to MSP either.  So i havent had a chance to rebook.  I also haven't checked up to see if she is even still working.  This was a few years ago.

Yes, I was basically agreeing or proving your point but the point I was reinforcing was to SIMPLY MOVE ON.  I literally used my experience to show how fickle some can be and to close with the most important message which I should have have written in bold apparently.    " There are some lovelies at other bordellos that are just fine getting an appointment however.  It's just the way they roll and as long as there are dudes in line, they have no reason to change.  There's plenty out there, move on."

Now that i've been FUCKING TAKEN TO TASK in the follow up...I never once claimed that this should be treated like a business because it's primarily a criminal act for all parties involved.  You have not seen me using this platform to tutor ladies of the night on marketing, economics nor their record keeping/tax compliance.  I did, however, have a short history of happy appointments with a few of the ladies of this house by then and considered myself as a regular.  

What is negligible and what is not?  Setting up an appointment in advance and cancelling last minute is not negligible, that's a hard foul.  Setting up a tentative appointment a few hours in advance (here's the context, sweetie) that they AGREED TO based upon information that I was going to receive in the next 15 minutes is absolutely a negligible infraction.  A late cancellation would have required an advance booking, this was far from that.  Initial email to blowjob was likely 3 hours.  That is a hole in the schedule that I filled for about 10 minutes (which they agreed on).

When my schedule cleared, I again made contact and was then accused of being  a NO SHOW.   I assumed that they had me confused with someone else that no-showed so I replied back with the part where they agreed on a short hold for the appointment and were gaslighting that sugartits had lost money because I didn't show up at the agreed time.  Context and Facts.  They refused to see what THEY had agreed too.

Here's the kicker...at this time in the early part of the MNE whorehouse days, many assumed it was the same pimp handling the stable.  Not wanting to be blackballed, I DID actually offer to pay the $180 for the session after the fact to keep in good standing and received an epic rant about guys getting off by making appointments that they never intended to keep, stay in my moms basement etc etc...completely unhinged.  I still think they had me confused with someone else.  I have moved on though, not just from that house to pretty much any brothel operating in the metro with the exception of one lady.    

To finalize, I'm going to die on that hill that says their actions were completely fucking unreasonable being they knew her whole afternoon was open, agreed to a tentative hold on a portion of it, rec'd immediate fucking notice of cancellation as soon as I knew and then went where they did with it.  BUT, my point was NOT to litigate that whole fucking thing but to use my story as illustration from a clients perspective of how very little it takes to make their blacklist and then to MOVE ON.  Nothing more.

Lagniappe...i was in Denver International last week and saw the most beautiful redhead walking just ahead of me to baggage claim.  Early 40's (?), Tall, sleek and dressed to kill.  I spent the afternoon in meetings thinking about her and when I got back to my hotel, popped the laptop open to see any travelers that might look familiar.  Unfortunately not but had I found her, I might have actually coughed up some PII to meet her.  

...to act with righteous indignation whenever a client (a man) has the audacity to have an opinion or thought of his own by grasping at things that are not there to justify the sermon he's about to receive.  

Your blacklisted. That scheduler has like 10-15 women. Move on

If agencies/independent providers are blacklisting potential clients that have done no wrongs, it may be time we all should start blacklisting providers from such agencies/independent providers who blacklist potential clients...
We are all equal and should be able to offer the same retributions.

...bring your business to the asian houses that have been popping up everywhere.  Better performance, cheaper and easier to get into with a professional class provider.  Not some gal that's going to leave you laying on your stomach for 10 minutes while she finishes her lunch or vapes during the session.  Keep it wrapped up though, that isn't natural lube that keeps her silky and smooth inside, lol.

Maybe there is no “Blacklist” in the strict sense of the word. Years ago was as list with another scheduler that was a list of “acceptable “ clients. With the popularity theybmay be busy enough and comfortable enough with the client base they have and only add to the list ( refill the client pipeline) when necessary.  
As not having seen any from the referenced group since before the shutdown know that when sent my references got an OK too fast to have them checked but guessing email was cleared.  
That being said am sure it is easy to be taken off the list for any real or perceived infraction.  
Lastly getting pussy hungry monger together to boycott is a fools errand as who is going to stop the “chosen”

Ah, there it is… the predictable shift from “I moved on” to 800 words explaining why you actually didn’t. The irony is almost poetic.

 
Let me be clear: the original point wasn’t to “take you to task,” it was to highlight how providers and agencies prioritize consistency, not excuses. You say your cancellation was minor and they disagreed. That’s how boundaries work. You don’t have to like them for them to be valid.

 
As for JoeBush’s assertion that a tentative hold isn’t an appointment: in this world, any time slot held on your behalf that could have been offered to someone else is, functionally, a commitment. They extended that courtesy. Snafu bailed. It’s their prerogative what the penalty is. You and Snafu don’t get to define what’s “negligible” for someone else’s business.

 
Now, Snafu: throwing in “sweetie,” “sugartits,” and “ladies of the night” while insisting you were just offering neutral feedback? It’s giving what you think it’s giving.  

 
And yes, the industry operates in a legal gray area, but safety, time, and professionalism still matter. Many of us treat this like a business because it is. And clients who expect to be treated like trusted regulars should probably act like it even during scheduling.

 
You say the point was just to encourage guys to “move on”?
Great. Take your own advice. And maybe next time, try doing it without the erotic novella and a “sighting” that sounds like the plot of a Cialis commercial.

I don't think that is the full picture.  Sure, providers, schedulers, and agencies can adopt a 'radio silence' policy when they don't want to deal with a client/potential client anymore but there's another side to that.  Not for a moment do I believe that when this happens, it's always a matter of safety, compatibility, and/or boundaries.  There are other possible explanations as well.  And clients do communicate and share their experiences and word gets around about who handles communication better.  The more a provider, scheduler, or agency fails to respond to initial communications, stops communicating after initial contact is established, or cuts an established client off, the more word gets around and gets viewed as a poor customer service situation.  How well the logistical side of the P4P experience is handled is very important to many, probably most of us.  If I'm interested in seeing someone but the information I get is that they are not good at communicating then I'm unlikely to even attempt to make contact.  The underlying reasons the provider, etc. have at that point really don't matter because I don't realistically have a way of knowing what they are.  But the ones who communicate well and consistently are the ones I will repeat with.

Trying to see someone new can be a total crapshoot. Sometimes it works great, sometimes it doesn’t.  

A couple of months ago, I tried to see a new provider. Messaged through P411 (where I have a bunch of okays), filled out her screening, gave a reference of someone she appears to be friendly with and sent a selfie with ID.  

Never heard another word from that email or the “do you need anything else from me for the screening” follow up.  

It doesn’t happen that often, but it does happen. Maybe it’s for the best. My feeling/attitude is that I’d rather spend the time with someone who is interested in seeing me.

My question is, how are we supposed to know how to proceed? How do we know if theres an issue, or is the provider a bit flaky in responding?  
Currently I'm trying to set up an appointment, its been a couple of days and no response. I have read that it sometimes may take this provider several attempts before getting a response. How are we supposed to know?
I am all about the safety of the provider. I understand not wanting to get into a debate with a client as to why they are not a good fit. To me, there is no good way to handle the situation. I do believe in my situation, a simple email stating it's not going to work out would be a lot better than ignoring the request.

At the very least boycotts are impractical.  The market will decide.

Older men = bad hygiene ,  and small tool.

Apparently they don't know time equals wealth and knowledge.... Sounds like they want to be washed up early from oversized as well.  If they keep their schedules full, a small tool should be a welcome break for them.  Their loss.

He's just trolling like usual.

This leaves me to wonder if there's any way off of the blacklist assume it was nothing involving physical Violence.    Assume you've got on there for just being a dumb ass or incompetent With something as low as a no call, no show or late show I'm not sure what else would get you on the blacklist that  is not violence. Is there any way off The blacklist?

Speaking as one who often finds themselves as an incompetent dumbass.

And thank you providers For helping us out taking care of us. I'm putting up with our stupid and even smiling while doing it I truly do appreciate it.

Can you give a definition of "incompetent dumb ass"? As for me black list is going to be NCNS, late or rescheduling multiple times,  derogatory name calling, attempting to cross my boundaries, or randomly showing up at my house without an appointment to "chat". I previously have given guys second chances for NCNS or the multiple cancelations/reschedules and guess what??? EVERY single time they have repeated the same issue again! So no, I have learned a leopard cannot change its spots, even if it begs and pleads and offers extra cash to be given the chance. Not worth the headache in my book.

....realize a couple things.  Primarily, that you are NOT dealing with reasonable people.  This isn't a daycare that you're trying to negotiate your kid back into after he just pissed on another toddlers head because he ate his favorite crayon.  The last thing they are going to do is stop what they are doing and spend time with you when they've got eager horndogs lined up for their time on the dirty mattress.  Change your email or get a new number and start over or choose one of the very many other operators out there that aren't tied into the system.  Forget the brothels.  The supply side is heavy right now.  Take a few months off from the hobby and save up, travel and get laid a lot more for what you'd pay here.  Look for cheap flights on suncountry and odds are, you'll find cheap lodgint and fucking also.  Central Florida puts you in driving distance to the gulf or orlando.  SW texas has more opportunities than you could imagine.  

" incompetent dumb ass " I suppose would be someone who does something, insulting, unpleasant, mildly hurtful only because they did not think something through in other words a well intended doofus.  To be clear to the best of my knowledge I have not been blacklisted it was only a point of personal curiosity.  Based on the list that you've provided the only violations I could conceive of my doing would be showing up to chat and I do know better/ I did once deliver food but that was at her request.  The only other thing I can conceive of doing would be the NCNS but that would pretty much require I have been hit by something very large and I will call as soon as they unwire my jaw so I suppose I shouldn't be quite so concerned.