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Apollo-x 1149 reads
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yes, she can be discussed. If Mary is not a provider, should she be discussed?

Apollo-x1712 reads

You guys are always making me think, lol.

I would prefer not to see them posted. My reasoning is that some of the ads have photos on them. A legitimate massage therapist should not have her face shown on TER, nor should she be associated with the hobby. If she has a legitimate license, her reputation should not be in question inasmuch as her services are concerned.

If they are posted in the therapeutic sections of BP/CL or other ad boards they should not be posted here.

If they are in the erotic sections, then they are fair game. The implications of "extras" are already there.

If anyone disagrees, you are welcome to make your opinion known. Just don't make me think too hard :)

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Derpdydoo1552 reads

I do like how you left your message up to interpretation.  You stated you (prefer) not to see discussions about therapeutic ads.

What a perfect time for this discussion since today there is a review concerning one of these very non-adult listed providers.  I think it's perfectly appropriate to ask a 411 of just about ANYBODY in the forum.  It's how it's handled afterwards that can be awkward.

Someone brought up barbers or legal ads.. If my lawyer Lisa, is giving me a HJ while looking over some contracts and someone overheard or wants info on her, I may respond in the background.  There is nothing wrong with the question.  Me coming out and dishing out prices, location, extras on the board is pretty much out of the question.  

I have submitted problem reports plenty (and have had many rejected, there seems to be no RULE here) regarding providers that should be in the massage parlor girls section rather then the straight escort section.  

IMO and it ain't humble.. If anything should be banned from being mentioned as "provider" or rated anything over 4 for service would be DIY.  On top of that i believe all these favorable posts and reviews as of late are shills.. My .02 for grins and giggles.

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Apollo-x1265 reads

So I am not opening or closing the door either way. I don't want to make more rules when I think there should be less on the board.
I haven't even discussed this with schmohawk yet.

My only concern, is that a civie who is a licensed massage therapist, who does not offer anything "erotic" gets discussed here and a subsequent Google search of the lady pops up with ambiguous commentary.
I can assume that some legitimate LMT's also post using their real names and photos. Should civies also be fair game?

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Derpdydoo1123 reads

I stated that the discussion itself could be discreet or in back channel, like I stated previously I don't even like the fact that there are reviews pointing to a specific person at an establishment and try to get them moved.

In answer to your question, if "Mary" is posting on a dating site and she's really a provider, should we not discuss her just because in someone's eyes she's not legitimately advertising?

This board is about intel and hopefully sharing information beyond the board.  There are many women I have not reviewed, for the main reason of being discrete.  I won't even share information about a so-called "legitimate provider" if she doesn't wish it.  The only time I wouldn't regard her wishes is if she outright lied or was a ripoff artist.  Then I feel just as obligated to fellow hobbyists to warn them.

Also, one of the previous 411's that prompted all of this was handled perfectly.  Someone asked for info and another responded there would be zip, nada, nothing to be had.

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Apollo-x1150 reads

yes, she can be discussed. If Mary is not a provider, should she be discussed?

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Derpdydoo1215 reads

That's the point.. How does one know unless they ask?

The points that were brought up here were peoples method of advertising, not what they do once they open the door.

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Apollo-x1064 reads

are not providers, nor would they want their links posted on our hobby boards.

Hypothetically, if 1 out of 30 offers a HJ, should we post 30 links of legit LMT's to find the one?

I just don't prefer to to see civie's links posted here.

Others can chime in if they want, and I am done stating my case on this thread.  

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TheLapDoctor927 reads

Posted By: Apollo-x


If they are posted in the therapeutic sections of BP/CL or other ad boards they should not be posted here.

If they are in the erotic sections, then they are fair game. The implications of "extras" are already there.  

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natreeus1477 reads

Perhaps this in part explains the plethora of 20-something DIY providers...

Related Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqG0rc7vZX4

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newnomore1208 reads

Re: "If they are posted in the therapeutic sections of BP/CL or other ad boards they should not be posted here."

Just looked at the first five ads on BP's therapeutic section (massage) under services -

ad 1 "special"
ad 2 "long flowing strokes"
ad 3 "large dose of erotica"
ad 4 "stimulation for your ... body"
ad 5 "You won't be disappointed"

I know I'd have expectations, 5 out of 5.

Nonetheless, I think if the posting is under "massage" that it's better to just let it go. They've posted there for a reason and why not acknowledge that, with the exception of those who post in the "erotic" section as well.

Obvious tip - just look at the pricing.






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Derpdydoo957 reads

So at which price should I look at 60 minutes $70, $49, $60?  $150?

Ahhh I know the magical number.. The price of a place recently gone, but, not forgotten $80!  

If only it were that easy.. Course 20 years ago it used to be.

But, what should I expect of a community that repeats endlessly that hobbyists should only see "well reviewed" providers.  As if they just appeared on TER with 20+ reviews their first day.

On a side note since I'm on the subject I TOFTT again tonight and maybe should have stuck to a "well known" provider! :-D

Oh and another thing.. I've gotten FS at all those price points Mr. New.. So maybe you're still newsomemore.

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MsDynamite793 reads

Idk if anyone remembers "sandy's" spa in the st louis park area around the late 70's- 89-90 before she sold it
( I happen to work with her daughter sometimes ) she charged 15 for a half and 30 an hr. 20 yrs ago. Price is definitely irrelevant.

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MsDynamite1168 reads

Bs about pricing.
Legitimate spas I go when i get the time to charge anywhere from $80 to $125 for an hr massage too .

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TheLapDoctor1124 reads

Posted By: Mahatma Ghandi
Concubines are people too.

Men are truly amazing. Only in a man's culture can there be dozens of women offering 100% full service, yet guys are still looking for massage girls that offer 'extras.'

One day we will understand that the art of seduction has deep history. Men have been mesmerized by women for centuries. Not just for beauty and lust. Women represent life and nature, so man is forever attracted.

And there's nothing inherently wrong with this attraction, especially when it is mutually acceptable, and it's almost guaranteed to end in explosive satisfaction.

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Apollo-x1068 reads

on both CL and BP. A lot of them are clearly offering extras. It was not the prices, but the verbiage on a few but even more telling were the photos. If the massage girl is lying on her back or on her hands and knees, it sends a clear message.

I see no reason why there should not be open and flowing discussions in this area, but I will keep an eye on the posts.

Man, it's been a long time since I visited CL. brings back a lot of good memories and a few not so good.

Carry on folks! :)  

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oleoneeye2645 reads

I agree that some ads in the therapeutic ad sections of bp and cl are more obviously teasing you to believe that extras are possible and perhaps those are fair game, especially if there is intel to back it up.  But to simply post a 411 without any additional info is basically just posting a link to an ad for all to see.  Some of those might even be shills that are intentionally pointing us in that direction.  But to just throw stuff at the wall to see if it sticks is mindless and careless, imho.  

But many, especially those with face pics, specific brick-and-mortar locations, and nothing erotically suggestive should be left alone unless there is something more to offer her than just a 411.

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badbadger1250 reads

There are plenty of massage providers that do "extras" that post under the therapeutic massage section.  If you are posting on backpage, you are fair game for reviews and postings.  My two cents.

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ladyjae091324 reads

Posted By: badbadger
There are plenty of massage providers that do "extras" that post under the therapeutic massage section.  If you are posting on backpage, you are fair game for reviews and postings.  My two cents.
You know guys really do think with their dicks!

If you like the massage & extras you recieved, why not just ask the massage provider if she would like a review?
That way she can tell you  a) yes that would be great  OR  b) no I do not want other people knowing extras are provided.

I know you guys would never consider the massage providers feeling or how it could ruin her career, relationship with family, b/f, husband or friends if a review was discovered.  Apparently its more important for you to get the information out there regardless of what damage it could cause.

If a lady is posting in the therapuetic section, it would be a nice gesture if you took a few minutes to ask her about being reviewed. That way you would know & share information or not.

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badbadger1088 reads

Yes, we do.  There are other forums for advertising.  If you are on backpage, regardless of body rub or therapeutic, you are implying that more than DIY is available.  I could make a list but I won't.  Again, my two cents.  This forum is about taking away the secrecy so we can help our fellow hobbyist out on where to spend his hard-earned money.  I would hate having to take a shot in the dark every time I was looking.

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RealP4U2206 reads

I wasn't even going to waste my time and cyber typing trying to explain the difference to someone who thinks anyone is fair game.  But, I just had to say that you are a pathetic idiot, and I feel sorry for any original thoughts which may find their way into your brain.  They would likely die of loneliness.  

If I sound a bit terse, its because I am so tired of brainless guys like this poster (badbadger)who doesn't care whose life he may ruin by his carelessness.  

And, as a piece of advice, Badger, if you don't want to shoot in the dark, then just don't go to the Therapeutic section.  Stick with the erotic section.  There are plenty of women to choose from there.

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badbadger995 reads

And if you call someone "an MORON", you are a RETARD!

Posted By: RealP4U
I wasn't even going to waste my time and cyber typing trying to explain the difference to someone who thinks anyone is fair game.  But, I just had to say that you are a pathetic idiot, and I feel sorry for any original thoughts which may find their way into your brain.  They would likely die of loneliness.  

If I sound a bit terse, its because I am so tired of brainless guys like this poster (badbadger)who doesn't care whose life he may ruin by his carelessness.  

And, as a piece of advice, Badger, if you don't want to shoot in the dark, then just don't go to the Therapeutic section.  Stick with the erotic section.  There are plenty of women to choose from there.

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MsDynamite838 reads

Gosh! Good thing I don't put my full legal name or license number anywhere that one could see it.
Would be really irritating to get fired, denied a job contract or insurance because someone thought it was a good idea to put my info on here so when the next employer or insurance company does their Google search ( as they often do) finds me plain as day on "the Erotic review".  
Just like you demand and expect privacy, its fair to return the favor.

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RealP4U2175 reads


WOW!!  You really stung me with that clever response!!!!!  You have outdone me with your powerful gift of persuasion.  

Posted By: badbadger
And if you call someone "an MORON", you are a RETARD!
Posted By: RealP4U
I wasn't even going to waste my time and cyber typing trying to explain the difference to someone who thinks anyone is fair game.  But, I just had to say that you are a pathetic idiot, and I feel sorry for any original thoughts which may find their way into your brain.  They would likely die of loneliness.  

If I sound a bit terse, its because I am so tired of brainless guys like this poster (badbadger)who doesn't care whose life he may ruin by his carelessness.  

And, as a piece of advice, Badger, if you don't want to shoot in the dark, then just don't go to the Therapeutic section.  Stick with the erotic section.  There are plenty of women to choose from there.

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badbadger933 reads

This is grade school grammar.  Here is a refresher for you.

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/540/01/

Posted By: RealP4U

WOW!!  You really stung me with that clever response!!!!!  You have outdone me with your powerful gift of persuasion.  
Posted By: badbadger
And if you call someone "an MORON", you are a RETARD!
Posted By: RealP4U
I wasn't even going to waste my time and cyber typing trying to explain the difference to someone who thinks anyone is fair game.  But, I just had to say that you are a pathetic idiot, and I feel sorry for any original thoughts which may find their way into your brain.  They would likely die of loneliness.  

If I sound a bit terse, its because I am so tired of brainless guys like this poster (badbadger)who doesn't care whose life he may ruin by his carelessness.  

And, as a piece of advice, Badger, if you don't want to shoot in the dark, then just don't go to the Therapeutic section.  Stick with the erotic section.  There are plenty of women to choose from there.

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ladyjae091117 reads

Posted By: badbadger
Yes, we do.  There are other forums for advertising.  If you are on backpage, regardless of body rub or therapeutic, you are implying that more than DIY is available.  I could make a list but I won't.  Again, my two cents.  This forum is about taking away the secrecy so we can help our fellow hobbyist out on where to spend his hard-earned money.  I would hate having to take a shot in the dark every time I was looking.
There is no secrecy here & helping fellow hobbyist is not an issue.  The issue is posting therapeutic massage providers on ter. It shouldnt matter how the ad is worded or what is suggested. IF you post her personal information, that could damage her home life or work situation, then it becomes an issue.
I know that the guys on here probay dont give a rats ass what information they post on a massage provider. BUT as least give a NEW massage provider a heads up on what you plan on doing. At least that way she can plan on either changing or keeping her info private.  
Sure its great to let the guys on here know that there is a new girl on the scene, but once THAT information is out there she then can become a target. Whether that be LE, a problem hobbyist, another provider, even a co-worker or family member, why not ask her if she wants the option of being on ter.  Apparently she liked you or something to offer you any extras & most likely wants you to return.

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MsDynamite1603 reads

Who are you telling where to advertise their services?

Where does an ad that says "massage lovers only " or "therapeutic only" mean or even remotely imply that extras are available?
Is it because the masseuse is attractive or you can see a bit of skin so that means its ok to automatically assume ?
Agree with ladyjae, posting their info without permission could damage their reputations
If its a legitimate non Erotic massuse she could lose her certifications or the establishment can lose their operating license just for having info on here or a similar site and direct the wrong attention to them because some don't have a VIP membership and cannot read the entire review where it would say DIY or zero extra available since reviewers tend to put that in the juicy details area and not at the beginning of the review.
So some readers could get the wrong idea and go see them mistakingly thinking because they're here there's extras.

This could also explain why so many low scoring /rip offs keep getting reviewed as well instead of being avoided.

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vorlon707 reads

That because some provides advertise in the therapeutic massage section, that the ones who strictly offer therapeutic massage are fair game for being discussed on an open forum even though that may draw unwanted attention to them?  BP is already under pressure from various state AG's about their escort ads; anything that could result in people whose business is strictly non-erotic either having guys show up trying to get extras or even possibly LE show up trying to see if they do won't help the situation.

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MsDynamite1250 reads

If BP took down the bodyrubs and escort sections then it turns into Craigslist all over again.
Making it even harder for someone to tell the difference even if the ad boldly states therapeutic only .
Guys will be guys...

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bigpapa1980955 reads

Sorry to cause such a heated debate!  Almost all the massages I have received have been off of theraputic or beauty sections and almost all have obliged.

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Derpdydoo1168 reads

I hear that.. I'd say my ratio of B&S is MUCH higher in the rub section.

Course these days everyone seems to prefer paying a couple franklins to jerk themself off.

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