Once you give that information, you cannot take it back and there is no way to verify what a provider has really done with it.

Since you do not have references, you will need to give your work information to get verified. I am RS2000 verified for several years and have had no problems with them.

I can't guarantee verification agencies shred your info like they claim but there is nothing in it for them after you are verified. I also don't think they will risk their reputation and share your work info with providers if asked.

Read the post above, there are ways to see excellent providers without references.

I do mostly outcalls to hotels. I simply call or email the provider with my first name, hotel and room number. Provider calls front desk, gives my name and room number and she gets connected. Bingo, she is ready to come over. Hotel staff will not get their panties in a bunch because a couple females called my room and think "hooker." Could be my wife or girlfriend for all they care.

Hey, I'm relativity new to this, but lately I've by trying upgrade from the massage places and massage girls that I usually see to some women that have a more expanded menu.  The trouble in doing this is most FS girls require verification or references.  References have been hard to come by since most of the massage ladies have only met me once or twice and they don't have an interests in being a reference.  The lady that I've seen the most was very weird about providing a reference.  She ended up calling me at 4:00 a.m. to let me know she would do a reference, but I'd need to send her $20.  I've considered signing up for one of the verification services, but it seems like the only way to get verified without references is to give them my work info.  I'm hesitant to do this since I've got a great job with a Fortune 500 company that I will not put at risk.  So my questions are:

1)  What verification services do people recommend?  Do they verify without work info?
2)  Has anyone had a problem with a verification service?
3)  Or are there are any providers that are willing to meet me without references and would be willing to be a reference down the road (Please PM me on this)?

Thanks

Room Service 2000.  Usually accepted by providers and I had no issues with employer or other means of verification.

Most of us will happily see someone with a verification from one of those sites. Unfortunately, you're not going to get around giving them your employment info. To soothe your mind a bit, they are all rock solid services with lots of experience verifying folks, and would never do anything to put your job in jeopardy.

Another possible avenue is that many providers are willing to screen you through your employment info without references. As long as you pick someone with great reviews who's been around a while, I can guarantee you won't have an issue with your employer finding out (we're VERY discreet).

I wouldn't suggest seeing a provider who doesn't screen. It's for your safety as well as ours - if you call a girl and she says "hey, come right on over baby!" chances are quite good that she's going to arrest you when you get there.

Good luck!

I was told exactly how P411 work verifies. They call the work the gent gives them and they leave a code of numbers and letters. Then when the gent supposedly gets to work he picks up that message and phones P411 and gives them the code left. BOOM, hes work verified. WTF?

I about fell out of my chair when I found this out. Geesus, anybody can answer a phone. Does anyone else besides me see the problem with this system? No freaking wonder it is so easy for the LE to get on there.

I am a member and for the most part it is a great tool, but ladies need not rely on it alone,, do your homework. There was another bust in Ark recently and it was through P411. They took Little Rock off the city list last year and now they use a city close to it for ads and those looking for providers.

To the OP, I would suggest finding a reputable newbie friendly provider and giving up what info she asks for. If you have done your homework there shouldnt be an issue about her tossing your info just as soon as she has seen you. Sometimes you can luck out and find a masseuse like myself who maybe after a session or two, that feels you are no threat, will give you a solid vouch. I dont advertise  that I do locally so it is usually a matter of a gent figuring it out all on his by realizing that not only am I am LMT, but heyy I am Blaze too.

Sign up for a TER membership and do reviews on the massage girls you've seen and see if you can work your way up from there. I still think TER is the safest site out there.
BN

I wasn't going to respond to this original post, until Remy made the comment If you see one of the non reference requiring girls "chances are quite good that she's going to arrest you."  NONSENSE!!!! NONSENSE!!!!!  NONSENSE!!!!!  Actually, chances are practically non existant that you will get anything but what you came for.   I have been hobbying for the better part of thirty years, seen hundreds of providers who don't require references, and never once been in any kind of danger from anything.  

Considering the thousands upon thousands of meet ups that take place every year, and the very few busts that ever materialize.   (most either street girls and sometimes involving women who take references).  Just off back page I can think of over a dozen women, all highly reviewed here, who do not require references, though most of them will give you a reference.  And, if you don't believe that, just look at the reviews for women like, Anastasia, Heidi, Carmen, Alex, Ava, Brandy, Erica, Kayla,Kelly (leah), Mellisa, Ashley, Nadia, Jclyn, Nikki Roxx....and dozens more.  I assure you that when  any of these women answer the phone, and aren't busy, you will here "come on over".  

I am so tired of some women thinking that you can only get good service from women who require references.  That is just plain ridiculous!!!!!  

And, by the way, Remy, Happy Birthday!!!

Your web page says you need Three references from well known, well reviewed providers.  Then, this post says that if a guy  "lucks out" enough to see you twice, you might give him a reference.  That leads me to specualate on a couple of things. Number 1, you are ultra paranoid, and don't believe your sisters in this business, unless three of them concur.  Apparently, you think that there is always the chance that a well known, well reviewed provider might lie to you, therefore you need back up.  And, thought Number 2, apparently you require numerous references, but aren't too keen on giving them for men you have seen.  Hardly seems community friendly.

Just my two cents, and once again pointing out the ridicuous nature of women in the "girls reference club".  

I am a TER VIP memember with 5 reviews, but that didn't seem to do the trick (no pun intended).

I appreciate in insite on the "new-be friendly" providers.  I'll see if they can help me break into the scene.

TER is great and if you do a few reviews, all the doors will unlock. If some don't, move on; there are lots of ladies out there who are legit and will see you. I can't promise a second time, that's up to you. All those verification services are a waste of time and money.

"if you call a girl and she says "hey, come right on over baby!" chances are quite good that she's going to arrest you when you get there."

This is simply not true.  Most escorts do not employ the type of screening you do and yet many are successful and have significant, even lengthy review histories.  Is it safer to screen the way you do?  Of course.  But that doesn't mean it is the only way that works and even your method is not foolproof.  Nothing short of not doing what we do is.

thanks for the birthday wishes. i prefer to spend my birthdays, and the other 364 days of the year, not in jail, physically battered, or chopped up in garbage bags, floating down the Mississippi. which is why i screen!

but to each their own i guess!

I think it is certainly your personal choice to utilize what ever procedure you think necessary to protect yourself.  My only comment was your outlandish statement that providers who demand references are protecting their clients from arrest and all other providers are likely LE.

And, I read the papers everyday and have yet to read about anyone in a garbage bag floating down the river.  But, then again, it might be more common that I realize.

Just so you know I was told that the La Quinta has a number of like eight calls to a room and then they start getting nosy especially if it is a woman. One of my friends works for them.

and even though you have not gotten caught and it is a numbers game, it is a dangerous one you are playing.  Why take the risk?  One has too much to lose!   Verification services are nice.......you are asked the personal questions ONE TIME ONLY and the info is not shared with the provider you have chosen to eat with.

"They have set up Undercover female officers with dozens of reviews and websites for them too."

Can you provide some documentation for this?  I would be very interested in seeing this as I don't see how this would work for long.  Even if they submit a bunch of fake reviews at some point someone will notice that none of these reviews are from guys that anyone else knows and once they start arresting people, word will get out that provider X is LE.  It seems like a lot of effort to go to for a few prostitution arrests.

If you read my post it says that "many" give references, not all. So, I am not incorrect.  And, it is not a dangerous game at all.  ALL of the women I mentioned in my previous post have many, many reviews here on TER and are well known in th community.   You have two pages of reviews and some of the women I mentioned have more than twenty.  Do you really think that seeing someone like Anastasia or Alex or Kayla is really less safe than seeing you, just because you have signed up for some verification service?

You women, her on TER, need to stop talking amongst yourselves and get out in the real world.  If you only listen to the handful of providers who post on this board, you think everyone requires references and everyone charges $300 or more.   Many (again not all) successful providers do neither.

IMHO, references are a waste of time and I know some providers will flame me for this. I have never in 30+ years of hobbying ever provided any personal information nor have I ever had another provider give a reference to another provider.  

First, a new provider who themselves either have few or no reviews is an unknown to other providers as well.   Existing providers are not going to divulge anything about a client or even verify that he is a client to an unknown provider.  Perhaps if its a provider they personally know they would.  And it eats up a lot of time on everyone's part for it to work out.  

Second, there are lots of girls who will see a guy without a reference, provided you follow some basic safeguards.  Most girls are simply worried about you being LE.  They will see you provided you a. do not ask for anything sexual, or use code words about it, e.g. FS, GFE, etc., b. do not mention cost.  c. Show up, do not start asking anything about services or talk $.  Just let her lead you through what makes her comfortable.  If she ask you what you want, just say you would like to spend time with her.  If she asks  how much you are willing to pay and also mentions anything sexual, say it was a misunderstand and get the hell out of there.  Most girls will simply tell you its so much for an amout of time and leave it at that.  Put the money where she wants it and get undressed completely.  She will follow suit and your are home free.  90% of the BP girls will see you without references.  They might ask to see an ID.  If you do that, keep your address covered when you show it.  

Anyone that wants work verification, you are an idiot to provide it.  You are unlikely to see any of the touring agency girs without that however.  Miami Companions, for example, would insist on it though.  Now they got busted and I am pretty happy there were no records with my real name and company down there.  I did however see some of their gals but I think it was becuase they were pretty loose with the screening back then.  Because my ph# (hobby phone) was in the database I was able to continue without any screening later on.  Perfect10 was another that asked for references to start but I gave them names of girls with old phone numbers.  They never did actually get a reference and gave me a pass (they needed the business).  

Verification services are well worth the money however.  Not only does it get you in the door easily, it may also get you a discount.  P411 is very good that way.  There are as many locals listed there as on EROS.  RS2K is another one but is seems as though P411 is favored here.  Being TER VIP helps if you have White List references as well.  

Bottom line - seek out some local providers with reviews.  Call until you find one that doesnt rquire the refernence.  Write some reviews.  Soon you will have the credibility to get a P411 account and you are home free.  



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not only verification services but TER also.   They have set up Undercover female officers with dozens of reviews and websites for them too.    

What Remy and I are saying is simple....why not take a little of the risk out of the equation when we know the lengths LE will go to?    Is the risk of losing your marriage (and your wealth), your job, your good name and having your picture in the news worth the little bit of effort you have to put forth in screening?    We simply want to stay safe and we want you guys to stay safe...if you guys have to stop hobbying then we lose out too, you know?

Some of the ladies you listed, of course, I am quite familiar with.  Anastasia has PAGES of reviews.  Of course I know who she is ...LOL, everyone does, she's been around a long time and is a popular lady.   But I do not make it my business to know every escort in MN (there are hundreds!).  I focus mostly on what I am doing and my business and what I can do to better it.  Such as building my new website and getting new pics and working on new promos and new ads and checking out new places to advertise and tour.  

What I do know is I have checked references with some of those you listed and I have gotten the "don't call me again" and then am hung up on or they just don't return my calls.   Some have returned my call and tell me that they don't know the guy and then the guy calls me back and says that so and so just called them and so and so wants to see them again.     That's a lady who does not want you to steal her client away.    Ladies like me and Remy would not do that.   We know that part of what you all like is the variety and shopping around!!  

I am getting off track here.    The point is ....the way to stay safest is to ask for references and the gents who appreciate this fact are the ones who will remain out of jail and out of the newspaper.    
It is a numbers game so MANY who do not screen will not get busted but some will.  It is your decision whether or not to take that chance.  Life is a crapshoot.  It's up to you all if you want to gamble or play it safe.    There is a certain HIGH in the gamble and maybe that is part of the thrill?  Just a thought.

There is one common thread in busts......lack of screening.  http://www.escortdrama.com/

they are taken down but for those caught up in it, it is too late.

Let me correct you. My website has three spaces for provider ref's, it simply says at the top of the page SCREENING is  REQUIRED.

http://itsablaze.com/contact/  

No where or have I ever demanded/asked for 3 provider ref's. I do not  think it is unreasonable to ask for any and all information that will give a better idea to whom the gent is, some people appreciate my cautiousness. I just happened to be the long winded one who is not afraid to ask for it.

As to Lucking out. LOCALLY if a gent comes to me through a massage ad and he/we upgrade the services and I see him a couple of times I will usually give a reference. Im soo sorry but for a guy to come in once and get a basic massage or even an L-1 session does not warrant a ref IMO. How would I know how he is BCD. He could be violent, dirty, or disrespectful. I know the local ladies understand why I do this and they appreciate it.

Every gent is a case by case and I make my own rules. You sir are twisting what I say to the negative. Have and will I see newbies on my home turf, YES, sometimes. Will I when I am out on tour and havent a clue, HELL NO. I am the local provider here in Tulsa who is the one who immediately gets back with all ladies and gents. I'm the one who knows the climate at all times. In fact it can be a pain in the ass because I am the come to lady when someone wants to know something. I have no issue in seeing a gent that has at least one high profile reputable provider ref, never said I wouldn't,,, but it is my choice to make. Im not accustomed to men dictating how I will and wont do things. Never have, never will.

Seriously, what is it with the northern guys and the "Ref" thing. We dont have this problem in the south. I think those that complain are Paranoid or didnt do their homework and got screwed,,, and maybe just maybe they themselves are just arrogant. Lets be blunt about this. Its my biz and my choice. If you dont like my terms keep moving. You dont know me well enough for the assumptions you have made. If you would like to know who I am the take the time to check me out. I am very well known in the south and the southern sites. I am not some fly by night or the seat of her pants type a gal. I have been in this biz for many years and am well vested with a steller rep.

http://www.eraps.net/member.php/32101-Blaze

Go ahead and call me and others "ridiculous". You sir are certainly entitled to your own opinion and we all know about opinions....... Nuff said.

I may have bitch like tendencies, but gawd I'm naughty fun!

This thread is a bit crazy in my mind....

We all have to or have started somewhere.. Sometimes that start is a bit difficult.. I am the type of provider who requires references for a couple of reasons..
1. I don't wish to go to jail.. No thanks, that would ruin my non-hobby life...
2. I need to make sure a gent. is respectful and has treated the other ladies right...

I do it for my safety!! The same reason's you fella's read reviews before seeing a lady.. To make sure she is legit and fun!! The ladies should have the same right as the fella's and you all should understand that..

As far as P411 and DC..... That is so simple on both ends.. You send a request through the site and I can see all of the info. to know you are okay.. Quick and simple..
P411 is 69$ a year... Is it worth it?? I would say so.. Same principle as going out to eat, it cost a little more for convenience..

Also, the white list here is a great tool..

Just my opinion....

There are other ways that you can get verified by P411.  I have a P411 membership and they did not get any personal info from me.  Payment can be done anonymously via pre-paid CC.

MAY BE playing a game of russian roulette.

I always check.  I will continue to check.  I can name three specific times in 20 months of providing that asking for references AND then checking them has saved my ass!

Someone who has 5 reviews on TER I would think could come up with two references.
If you don't want to give them,  I will decline an appt and I have had to do that.  Many of the gentlemen came back when they had them and many didn't.  That was their choice and I respect that choice.

It's for MY safety.  It's not a guarantee but it is better than nothing and certainly better than crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.

Go Get Some!

please explain.