A provider (my first) I really want to see says a Whitelist or P411 Reference or a provider reference is needed to see her.  Without a reference, I can't see her but can't get any references because no one will see me without a reference.  Kind of like not being able to get a job without experience which you can't get without having the job.  While I understand the need for safety and security, why isn't employment info, photo id, etc. not enough?  Putting up insurmountable hurdles to your product is an asinine business model.

You can purchase a membership on P411 without a provider reference.  

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You may have to simply put in "your dues" with some more accommodating providers.  Then when they see that you are safe, ask them to be your reference(s).   Sometimes you can't play pro-ball without first putting your time in at the minors.  Keep trying.

It takes time to build a good reputation. You may need to see a few ladies who are not your first choice but will show you a great time none the less so you can get the references you need.
 Just because you can't get over her hurdles doesn't mean they are insurmountable, it means she is serious about her safety and you don't have enough history to get in the door.  
 From this post she probably knows who you are, and suggesting she has an asinine business model just because you can't pass her screening is a good way to insure you will never see her.

I prefer real world information over references. But do except both or one or the other. Like everyone else has stated you may need to see a couple of providers that aren't exactly your preference. But will show you a amazing time. Plus variety is sooo much fun!

There is nothing to lose regardless of what I say.  Can't see her before, can't see her after....what have I lost?

It's not an asinine business model to screen someone how they you see fit as there are plenty of newbie friendly providers around here that would be more than happy to help you out.

I'd say it's an asine way to hobby thinking that the provider in question has to see you as if she doesn't have a choice, just because you say so.  
I think you're forgetting that you're dealing with human beings lol
Only saying this because that's what it looks like from over here.
 

I know this will shock you but we've all made the leap over your "insurmountable hurdle". This has been the way it's done for years and every guy that has written a review has managed to make the leap. You need to read the Newbie board and follow the instruction on the 1000+ threads on this subject. I'll lay it out for you, you have several options;

1) join P411 and find a girl that's open to see you, don't be too picky you may have to walk before you run.  

2) find a girl on BP that doesn't require references and hope she'll give them to your next conquest.  (Good to have legal representation set up, you may need it)

3) keep posting smack talk about providers on this board until none of them will see you even with references because they think you are an asshole.  

It's your call, good luck.

having been on both sides of this I understand both sides.  It is frustrating to get through the screening but it is necessary for the ladies involved.  At the end of the day their safety is more important than your convenience or mine.  For us it is a hassle, for her she, she could be hurt or worse.  There are many ladies who will screen you with a less ridged process and then you can build up references.  If you are kind and fair you will end up with references that could become whitelist.  

Where I do understand your frustration my advice is set aside your interest and consider hers.  For those who can not do that (I am not suggesting that you cant) but if you cant and it is all about you then her business model is wise, certainly not asinine.  I am many times past the first provider I have met and I have some not good experiences among all of the great ones.  What I have learned is I will not schedule with a provider until I can screen her by reading reviews.  If we have the right to pick and choose based on reliable references how could you deny a lady who has offered access to her body sexually anything less.  These women are private business people not sex slaves, they get to choose who they see.

Spend some time on the FAQ for newbie board if you haven't already, a great reference.

It is only asinine in the sense I stated....can't be seen without references and can't get references without being seen.  I am happy to provide--and did--all sorts of personal and employment information.  I am all for her safety and security and provided infinitely more than a reference on a website could have.  

END OF MESSAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yeGMaT3PvI

I'm going to throw it out there that maybe you should consider hobbying isn't for you at this point.  Reason I'm saying that is it appears you aren't taking the great advice that has been offered to you up to this point and instead continue to insist the hobby forces are simply unfair to you.

If you feel you want to continue trying to set your first appointment I hope you consider the following...it's already been suggested you join P411.  You could have taken all the supposed personal and employment information you state you gave a provider and instead gave it to the fine folks at P411 and potentially used your disclosure to potentially get you ahead in your hobby pursuits.  On the contrary, you gave up all your goodies to a provider that appears to have no interest in seeing you.  Now you don't know what's going to happen to that information.  Hmm...doesn't seem like a great choice to me.  I'd honestly say get over it and if fun is what you are looking for go looking for fun that is in your league at this point.

Another thing to understand is just because you provided information to prove who you are only satisfies the requirement of ensuring the provider's "security" which I suppose you could take as meaning you ain't the police.  The other half of it is proving you are "safe" to see which means you ain't going to act like a psycho stalker asswad that's going to try to force her into things she's not willing to do and then short her on the donation in the end.  That's the part that requires the references guy.  That's the part where you establish a reputation as a good guy and a client that a provider would want to see.  How do you go about that all?  That's where you need to figure it out.  I assume you got that first job right?  The one where you had no experience but someone was willing or at the very least desperate to fill an open job slot and thought he/she would give you a chance.  Then you got sick of that shitty job and landed a better one based upon your track record of stellar burger flipping.  Same thing here.  Just take caution in continuing to publicly bitch about your woes as that first impression is already tarnished at this point in anyone that's read this thread.  Good luck!

....if who you visited to get your 'dues' paid mattered to who you really wanted to see?  if all my experience was with questionable ladies on BP would that predjudice a higher class provider ( like the wonderful ladies here on TER ) from wanting to see me?  

I have been fortunate that when I bgan in the hobby I met some wonderful ladies with whom In Developed long term hobby relationships with, and that in essence 'vetted' me with other providers.  Now, with my new job I am traveling outside my home area (Boston) and it has been a great benefit to have a few well reviewed ladies willing and able to provide references for me as I travel and meet more wonderful women all over the country.

just a thought- here in Mineapolis for a couple days on business, and have plans to meet with a local lady this afternoon-

You really need to be careful with your adjectives lest you be shunned.  Suggesting that an aspect of someone's business model might be "asinine" is dangerous indeed!

and I'm trying to work with someone right now who doesn't want to provide personal info but has no prior references either.  

What's a provider to do? If we're well reviewed gentlemen should know that we're not going to be indiscrete with their info, on our side, we want to make sure we're not going to be arrested...or raped/killed.