: Minnesota Discussion : I don’t know about that.

If Kraft was not there, it might have still come out, but not at this big, probably not even nationally. But most of this incident was just propaganda.

Example: an incident locally where a gentleman was caught and charged with promotion. He had a profession in the public eye. That bust was fed into the media about this massive sex ring, ladies coming in from all over. I remember one article, the press mentioned an hourly rate of the ladies. His legal case was dropped because of...

TwinCitiesGuy 19 Reviews 83 reads

posted 4 years ago

12 / 23

Good movie

http://tubitv.com/series/300006058/the-client-list?start=true

snafu929 20 Reviews 87 reads

posted 4 years ago

13 / 23

and you point is what?

That the very reason I brought up HT was in the context that LE could use this tool against members of this board? No, you'd rather keep your head up your ass and link your perpetually stupid youtube videos...

TwinCitiesGuy 19 Reviews 76 reads

posted 4 years ago

14 / 23

Re: and you point is what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCc-RWIp7XU

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TwinCitiesGuy 19 Reviews 79 reads

posted 4 years ago

15 / 23

Another one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jeo-ZN0VA4

vorlon 119 Reviews 75 reads

posted 4 years ago

16 / 23

Re: Good movie

TV series actually. It was decent enough and Jennifer Love Hewitt is excellent eye candy.

vorlon 119 Reviews 75 reads

posted 4 years ago

17 / 23

Re: Another one...

I love the humor in that one; it helps get the message across.

JustTryingHarder 83 reads

posted 4 years ago

18 / 23

How Do We Change Things ?

Great couple of Vids (Oliver & Stossel). Now, how do we change the current climate?

Our criminalization-of-everything only makes it easier for traffickers. It's much more difficult for them to ply their trade in countries with legal consenting adult prostitution. It's easier here because the entire industry is underground - they can stay hidden and don't have any fears of clients or others reporting them to LE.

And more difficult for LE to find out about and investigate REAL human trafficking. People in legal countries like The Netherlands are not afraid to talk to LE about what they know because they don't have to fear their own arrest or mistreatment - and they'll be treated somewhat respectfully. LE can more easily question other providers, organizers (legal pimps) and clients because the only one's who have any fear of talking to LE are those doing something illegal.

And then there's the wasted resources... Somewhere I thought I'd read that less than 1% of 'human trafficking' operations/stings actually involved ANY human trafficking. The rest are simply wasted resources of LE watching guys getting hand jobs and busting those involved.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 91 reads

posted 4 years ago

19 / 23

I think this will be difficult…

… as long as a large percentage of Americans think that sex outside of marriage is wrong, i.e. a sin against God. Legislators will pander to that electorate, to get elected if not because of their own beliefs.

Did you know that 18 states, including Minnesota, have Adultery laws that make sexual acts illegal if at least one of the parties is married to someone else: Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New York, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Then there’s the six states with Fornication laws, which effectively make ALL forms of sex outside marriage illegal : Idaho, Illinois, Massachusetts, Mississippi, South Carolina and Utah.

We’re not even talking about P4P there! Sure, it’s been a long time since these laws were enforced, and several states are working on striking them in the light of Lawrence v. Texas, but the fact they exist at all tells you something about where we are as a country on acceptance of sex between all consenting adults, especially when money is involved.

vorlon 119 Reviews 67 reads

posted 4 years ago

20 / 23

Re: I think this will be difficult…

Progress will be very slow and very much of the three steps forward and two steps back variety. People's religious beliefs aside, the worst thing now is the success of the movement to equate P4P (or at least most forms) with trafficking. Until that idea is defeated, I think little will change.

JustTryingHarder 63 reads

posted 4 years ago

21 / 23

Re: I think this will be difficult…

The biggest opposition to rational laws doesn't seem to be coming from religious folks but from feminists and supporters (which is a larger group since it's not woke to not support them).

knotsaway 38 Reviews 72 reads

posted 4 years ago

22 / 23

I don’t know about that.

Take a look at the lists of states above. I don’t see many hotbeds of wokeishness there, do you?

My other thought is, “Sir, you are employing a double negative.”

vorlon 119 Reviews 71 reads

posted 4 years ago

23 / 23

Re: I think this will be difficult…

This is one of those few issues that has brought together people whose are usually hostile to each other politically.