Ok lets get into this......as has been talked about ad noseam on the board, the ladies have over the years been increasing their rates, for the same service, way faster then any amount of inflation. Maybe an upgrade in service and not just the price of adding more for every little tickle, pinch and clothes+ removal. The talk is always about the lady, well it seems to me that they are making good money. I understand risk and all the points of the provider. I understand that costs of doing business affects the bottom line for the ladies but lets talk about the guys. Figure it out two years ago, if i was able to see two ladies a week for 200-300 dollars and the ladies stayed busy and hopefully happy back then .....well now we gents cannot afford to see multiple visits even in a month cuz the budget is broken by just one hot loving relation that will take all of the amount set aside to play.
the ladies continue to advertise, which must cost something, so they must not be busy even though they continue to ghost most of us that message. personally, rather than being ghosted for my messages, i would like to see a 'fuck off' returned message and maybe i would get the point and just sigh....their loss ! It seems that volume and quality of service must be discussed ....if the lady wants to see one session for 500-600 and sit around and wait cuz some on this board will just not pay that. ya blah blah blah but i do not think i am the only one with that opinion. you can continue to advertise with the many times fake or outdated pictures and reviews to get us to the door but nobody becomes a regular for those "inflated" rates and that is evident by the performance ratings seen in the reviews
. As I said in a different thread, the economy is a mess but as the ladies make more and more money the guys are left searching for a service with value since we also must look at our bottom line and how we spread the money around..
I totally agree with support your local ladies.That being said it is none of your business as to how busy each provider is .
Some may come on here and say slow but does that mean only X a day or none this week .
Hoping all are as busy as they NEED to be to keep up with life’s expenses. Some great women out there .
Cost of living is about 8% higher than a year ago according to the government. So we are left with 8% less money unless we get a raise. How many of you got lets say a 10% to keep up? If you did im sure you were probably given more duties, projects, work etc. What I look at in this industry is an escort will raise her price 50% and then cut your time down especially massage providers by starting 10 to 15 min late and finishing early. Advertise bbbj gfe etc charge you for that service but not provide it. Anyway its like any other business compensation is determined by the law of supply and demand. So actually what we need is more gals in the business, otherwise you'll be pricing more guys out of the hobby, there's only so many real sugar daddies most just play the big shot for awhile until they go broke. I can't imagine these gals business increasing that much in this environment, so I think some of these gals jacking there prices even more to make up for the loss of clients. In my world when you bend them over they all look the same, find one that treats you right, doesnt screw you around provides service that satisfies your desires and most of all is within your budget. Otherwise you'll find yourselfs with financial problems. If your a family guy they'll suffer, if your divorced your kids will suffer, most of all you'll suffer. So let $500 girl go and check out one of the many fine $300 girls a whirl you may be pleasantly surprised. I don't think the amount of money you spend has much relationship to the service you receive. Stay safe everyone.
A) I have’t experienced massage providers starting 10-15 minutes late. I think we would hear about that in reviews if were happening.
B) My experience is that “when you bend them over they all look the same” is completely untrue. I don’t think I need to provide an explanation to that.
C) Your points on the financial problems deserve attention but I would think most participating on this website are careful and not let that get into prioritizing the hobby over feeding their kids.
hey everyone great thread and it is nice to see ladies and gents posting here....
OB1 i absolutely agree with you that we need to continue to use our lovely local ladies, we have amazing gorgeous hotties but even here at home we are seeing prices escalate faster than other inflated services. Your comment on NEED makes me think that if one functions out of need then they are basically trying to survive and one way that they can make it in their minds, is to raise the prices . I struggle with increases for the SAME old service or for constant add-ons 100 for this and 200 for that. If they were willing to provide a mind blowing encounter i believe that they could establish a good flow of regulars and not have to function with the thought of NEED. Bottom line may also be affected by dumping the scheduler (that ghosts us anyways and do you think that the provider even knows who they are missing?), not having to advertise so much if they would just answer some of the messages that they receive.....i am sure that i am not the only one that whines to you (OB1) that my sent file is 10 times the size of my inbox of responses, lastly maybe getting not financially raped by the agency would maybe allow more money to come home.
the guys bottom line has been discussed and i agree that we also have to tighten up to play....in the past we could see several ladies or sessions per month at the 200-300 dollar range but at the inflated price of 500-600 we are sitting at home in front of the computer with our lotion bottle and box of kleenex.....ya , BLAH BLAH BLAH truth hurts and a slight increase is maybe acceptable but jumps like we are seeing and nickel dime on the menu items just makes the encounter about NEED, and no longer fun.
I watch the travelling ladies using fake or photoshopped pictures and reviews to entice the gents to think with their wrong head and be disappointed when we arrive at the door, thinking that the price was warranted and then to go home and write below expected reviews on performance and beauty. Paige commented on another thread about the ladies setting the price but that no one is repeating even if they could afford it when they come to town and present in our market. I have been seeing a gorgeous lady for years, that gives amazing professional service charging 160 and just finally in the last several months increasing to 200 which is still super special for her mind blowing service 
my statement is not to shill but just to say and increase from 160 to 200 is definately not gouging or restrictive .......40 dollar jump should be seen as inflation appropriate and the ladies that also commented about maintaining their rates....i applaud you for enjoying what you do.
I shall be the last one that tries to decide how many any provider wants or needs to see or what they charge , just saying that like many i am assuming on here, we will just have to pass which will not help their bottom line being fulfilled or either party being satisfied with the reason that we hobby in the first place........ where do us gigalos go to advertise ?? haha+
I noticed that it has been slow periods, but I will keep my rates where they are now for a ling time. To give some positivity, im NOT increasing it. I hope you have a good day, take care.
Xoxo
Ginger
I’m a sensual massage provider and business has been a little slower than usual, but still pretty good! Based on my communication with other local providers, the massage providers have been busier than the escorts/full service providers.
Typically business picks up around this time of the year, but who knows what will happen this year?! I’ve also noticed a ton of new providers advertising.
I read the comments about rates increasing, etc. I can only speak for myself, I don’t “nickel and dime” for my service. It gets too confusing! (for me) I prefer a flat rate, no menu. It works well for me, and my clients seem to appreciate it! I’m content with my current rate and won’t be raising it in the foreseeable future.
Good to know, I was on Reddit the other day and a few sw mentioned how slow it’s been for them in there respected city. I’ve have also noticed the increase in number of providers and worry that the market here might be come Oversaturated for some of our local favorites.
Thanx for responding
By then it should be a lot clearer if this will be a significant downturn or not.
Yes, usually this time end of October-December holidays can be a bit slow in between periods for some time. I can't speak for everyone's business but hopefully it will start picking up for others.
Have a fantastic day everyone.
💓 Ginger
But nothing said here is going to change anything.
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As long as providers are making enough money they will always be testing higher rates. That's how the market works in everything. Higher rates also attracts newcomers, which has a limiting effect on rate increases, since it increases competition.
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When biz declines due to lack of demand (including being over-priced) then providers start to drop out and go back to their regular jobs. Some might cut prices, but are typically resistant psychologically to reduce prices, as they see that as an insult to their value as a human being. (It's the same in life, a divorced chick will seldom settle for a lower earning new husband than the one she just divorced. She'd rather stay single and poor than take the psychological insult of "marrying down" even though in reality her economic situation would improve. Chick logic.)
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So we see rates ratchet up, stagnate for a while, but not ratchet down, because they drop out rather than reduce rates.
all we (providers) can do is what works for our business or we do what it takes to survive. I think one of the hardest lessons most providers have to learn is to stop equating their rate with their worth. Our self-worth is not tied to what we respectively charge.
Playing with rates is common. If I'm too busy, I play with my rates and raise them until things slow down to a pace that I can actually manage. If I feel up to working more and want to hit a major goal (re: paying off these student loans as quickly as possible), that means playing with my rates and adjusting. At the end of the day, we're running a business and we have to make business decisions. For some of us, that means working more or less depending on the market and/or the goals we have.
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omg ....i appreciate your thoughts always, but this one really confuses me . If you believe that your self worth is not tied to your charge than you are in agreement that many times we gents are being overcharged for a service good or bad. The rate should ultimately be determined by the service ......... (in my mind or to return anyway)
Also i would argue that if you establish what your service is worth to you and can change that on a financial whim then your past statements of watching for deals or trying to talk about grandfathered rates is moot. When scheduling with you do we have to take into account how busy you are or how much groceries you needed to buy to fill your refrigerator for the thanksgiving meal, so we know what to expect to pay? and where do we find this sliding scale posted ?
YES it is your business but to even state the way you are running it says alot about what some of us continue to complain about, with rates and fees that are all over the place and on those busy weeks or financial need times do your services change ? or are we just scheduling and hoping for the best at the rate that you "respectfully charge' ?
other than gas prices, when we bitched that the 'rate' was to high when it went from 1.80 to 4.00 and now we need to be HAPPY when it goes down by a quarter ? I do not agree that this example should be even close to real but when we hear that you adjust your rates (higher for survival then lower for what? just never as low again) not service based on your business..... we just never know which season we are in with your example of your business......sorry not trying to attack, just trying to understand your (and maybe other's) business models and i am sure this post will get me in trouble 
unfortunately, I don’t have all the time in the world (headed to the airport at the moment). There was a very distinctive sentence in your reply.
You stated, “ The rate should ultimately be determined by the service ......... (in my mind or to return anyway)”. And therein lies the conundrum between *most* client and most provider dynamics. Many clients believe rates should be based on physical appearance and the services provided. I cannot speak for all providers but the ones I know personally or know of base rates on a multitude of factors not just the services they offer or their looks but also our expenses to advertise, our rent, our incall location or incall rent for shared locations, bills, etc. In addition, I stand by the fact that watching for deals and asking to be grandfathered (it should be offered by the provider) is NOT moot. A provider changes their rate when they either 1) don’t want to be as busy OR 2) when they want to be busier or 3) they are testing out new markets, etc. It’s really not as confusing as it seems.
And once again, for peoples rates, at least independent providers, go their websites.
I’m sorry this is a bit all over the place but I just got to the terminal. Having pre-check, clear, and traveling with a carry-on has spoiled me… I show up 15 minutes before the flight & board as soon as I get to the gate. So I need to jet!
Have a good weekend y’all!
so are you saying that most clients while you actually imply many clients, believe that only service and looks are judged as to the setting of rates? does that mean that someone, in your opinion says 'we clients' , judging the lady like a Shallow Hal does not deserve the rates that the high end lady may set as she looks in the mirror? It seems to me that your example is that many clients really do believe that service trumps appearance hands down just read the reviews (many 8-9-10 appearance grades show up with poor performance scores and ending statement of, I would not repeat) and in my opinion it is also a strong factor in judging the lady and length of time in the hobby and should be an additional important factor vs the new girl that puts up her shingle, looks in the mirror and decides that she should be right up there with a 400.00-500.00 rate ? And the guy that goes into the encounter using the profile or review info (not discounting YMMV) has to hope that the lady will provide a service worth the stated rate. Getting to first base then second should have a value and GFE should imply certain things and be price weighted appropriately, while getting to third or scoring should not leave out vital portions of play or escalating fun and leave out the importance of the first couple bases. Old guys like to kiss and be kissed so that might be a consideration in pricing your menu when you are calling your service GFE or keep it as part of your package.
Now to your comment which states that the providers (and i hope this is not an opinion shared by many of the ladies out there) will change their rates to adjust their volume. My experience in the hobby started probably before you finished middle school and in all that time I do not remember a time when the rates actually dropped ....the ladies simply did not get too busy so they increased their rates, and then dropped them again to pick up the slack .....that seems ludicrous to me and unfortunately at this time instead of responded like a service professional or their minion scheduler might, "not taking new clients at this time" or " restricted hours keep trying" we just get ghosted instead which also in MY opinion does not bode well for a high priced lady.....it seems to send a different message that maybe vorlon or OB1 can explain to the group...... and do not get me started on bills, you stated it is business so there will always be business expenses and it does not seem that expenses have gone up as fast as the rates have and like i said if the expenses do come back down I shall be shocked if the rates follow as you have implied "when they want to be busier" if you want to take bills and management 101 maybe ladies can look at their advertising costs and just answer the dam e-mails you get instead of ghosting and hoping a new address pops up. .... or maybe negotiate with the scheduler , their fees for whatever you think they are doing for you. We also have rent, and bills and travel expense as well but it is just considered part of our doing our business in the hobby.
As for the comment on where to find this info ? on their website !! last time i looked at an ad or profile, i was not informed by a 'lady too busy needs to see less' rate or a 'door open and I am running a special rate' (although i have seen some specials offered out there in the past) and if i did see the example out there of what you opined i guess i would think less of that strategy
this whole discussion is hard and i appreciate your comments very much....with this economy in free fall and ALL expenses for everyone going up we just have be smarter and rethinking the business expenses that may make more sense than pricing yourself out of your sessions and hoping for calls
When you say "Many clients believe rates should be based on physical appearance and the services provided," that is certainly true for me and I suspect the vast majority of clients. As with most things I spend money on, I'm evaluating the value I receive for the money I spend. I understand the things you say providers consider when setting their rate but if I'm going to for example spend more money on a provider because she's paying off student loans even if by some chance I know that fact. If a provider is charging a higher rate because she has higher expenses for various things then there still has to be something about her that will get clients willing to pay that higher rate.
what I meant with my example of a provider playing with rates to reach a major financial goal, I meant they'd play with them by lowering them to increase their volume. That's all...
but I agree with with my colleague said below, they expenses for us to stay in this business have increased quite a bit for both the local scene and to tour... and yet somehow we are expected to not raise rates. I know, I know... the economy is fucking us all...
What some customers are not understanding is the fact that Hotels are costing more along with other things.
The traveling/visiting women like to stay at nice welcoming hotels and not your cheap pay by the hour motels. So that cost is increasing. I mean do you want to be worrying about your car getting broken into while you are supposed to be having a good time? I know I dont and I appreciate it when it is a nice place they are hosting at.
Plus airfare to towns/locations is getting more expensive.
But again.... some customers understand this while others dont.
It is all relative to what you can afford to spend and not spend. I know I have personally cut back on my adventures and save up to see certain providers now. I dont blame the providers for price increases at all.
Like another provider stated on this thread that they kept prices the same. Good for them. They found a price model that works for them and are happy with it.
People can bitch and moan about increased prices. But it comes down to the actual provider and their comfort level with the income and amount of clients they get/see. PERIOD. We as customers can say... well I wont see them anymore... FINE... if that hurts their pocket book enough then the provider will adjust price... if it doesn't....fine. It is all their decision.
I always find it funny that the "price" topic always comes up about every 6 months or so. Same stuff gets stated over and over and over.... but nothing changes.
It just boils down to Providers do what you feel is right for you and customers do what you feel is right for you.
I was simply commenting on the statement you made that I quoted about what I consider when considering attempting to see a provider. I know each provider has their own set of financial circumstances they use to make when setting their rates but in the end I as a client still look at it from the standpoint of what I get in exchange for the rate I am expected to pay.
While complaints over rate increases are nothing new, I think the reason for the unusually high level of complaints is that for many guys, the rates they are seeing are going up much faster than the disposable income they have available. The market will determine if the higher rates are sustainable but that doesn't make it any less frustrating for a guy who wants to see certain providers but their rates have become out of his reach.
I agree 100% with what you are getting at with the rate increase vs disposable income or income for playtime.
I also agree with you that with rate increases people start to expect possible better services or what sets you apart from the rest that could be charging less.
It is like why does a corvette cost more than a ford fusion? Both are vehicles that have 4 wheels and an engine to get you from point A to point B.
Again I am not saying anything bad about companions who charge more and what not. I also know alot has to do with chemistry as well. I also know that when I have seen companions who charge a higher rate i have most of the time gotten better service. What I mean is they made me feel like the king of the world and all attention was on me. Good Conversation, intimate touch and caressing, actually made if feel like a great date and time spent together. It felt like they took an interest in me and made me feel special. I will say I have had great chemistry with providers who have charged less and had just as equally good of a time and felt the same.
But I will say this... if rates keep increasing some of the companions will have to step up a little with the experience. It can't just be a wham bam and out the door.
IT is why I think more of the "massage" or MNE type experiences is why people are moving that direction to seek companionship. IT is the rates are a little lower and people are receiving the same experience as more formal companions.
PaigeSavage has some very insightful commentary. She is clearly looking at things through a micro-economic lens, which paints a clearer picture than the macro lens of some of the other commentary.
As a provider since 2005 who has primarily been UTR, there are a lot of factors that go into my pricing.
On a trip to Minneapolis this year, the airfare was 3x what it was in the past. The hotel was $70 more expensive per night. The cost of food was exorbitant. Although inflation is up 8% over last year, my travel costs were representative of at least a 100% increase. Are companions expected to simply absorb those increases?? How can we??
I adjust my rates when I travel/tour. If I want to go to southern California, I know to cut that rate BIG TIME, because there is a supply/demand issue at play. That's just the reality. While there are a lot of friends who will want to see me, I also have to balance my rate with knowing there are literally thousands of other providers on the rosters.
I look at my day-to-day rates in my home base of San Jose CA. My incall studio apartment rent has gone from $1,900/month (which was an AMAZING deal) up to $3,400/month. My utilities and insurance have nearly doubled in the last 2 years. Then you deal with the increase in basic costs, and it's clear to see that the market is suffocating all of us.
To say that rates 'should ultimately be determined by service' doesn't take into account other mitigating factors. My rate also considers my education & day-to-day career. I am not going to allow myself to profit fewer dollars per hour as a provider than what I would make per hour at my regular job, for example. In addition, I think we can agree that while some folks might be satisfied with a burger from McDonalds (and even those prices have gone up), other people might be more inclined to enjoy a burger from The Rossini in Vegas. The quality of the product might matter just as much as the quality of the service. In the end - yeah, it's still a burger. But is it??
I can believe every number you gave, but the reverse side of that is that most clients are unlikely to see wage increases any time soon. We're getting squeezed too.
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Unfortunately that's how the ruling class robs the working class in broad daylight. So when your government representatives are deficit spending to cover themselves with "virtue" for redistributing the wealth, remember that just because you aren't paying for it in taxes doesn't mean you aren't paying for it eventually.
Lady Legend I agree with your statement about inflation but i just want to reiterate that the point you made was that the market is suffocating ALL OF US. .....and not just the lady
The example you use is pertinent for the travelling ladies and my experience is that those expenses are the reason that the daily service rate may be escalated and we gents need to be aware of that fact before we jump into the schedule that we know we will probably only splurge on once, in hopes that the info we were given was accurate ie photos and profiles with reviews to judge. ...... "other mitigating factors? 'My rate also considers my education & day-to-day career'".... which again i hope is not a common reasoning for rates because if you love what you do.... you happily hobby and to compare your education, career and other time is not fair cuz i would venture most people out there do not make 200-300 dollars PER hour ( just using the example of discounting expenses from 500-700 which is a common travelling rate and is greater than a 50% overhead) I will never believe that any one on the board providing can make more money at their career hourly than what the guys endure to see you.....please do not get me wrong I love seeing and pampering the ladies. ...i just have a very hard time with that statement and as a practicing physician I and the large brunt of my colleagues do not take home north of what a travelling (or homebased lady can swing) as a old gigalo trying to pamper when i am there I would love to get coached on how to raise my rates . I love your Mcdonalds example because it rings true but we all need to beware that the Rossini burger price may restrict the average person and thus the downturn in business, inflation or not.
well pardon me ....i forgot the words 'as working with' but i just wanted to see if people really read my posts to the end so good job lock for engaging
(But I'm disappointed to find out that you're not really a brain surgeon)
Speaking of rates, I raised mine a year ago and will probably keep it as is for the foreseeable future.
I like to stay in the middle of the pack (but yeah, for an older provider I'm on the high end) because if I see 3 or 4 clients a week, I'm golden.
The client who l saw today for the first time said I look much younger than my pictures, so that was nice.
My spare time these days is spent on working on my online groundschool training and taking flight lessons when the weather allows.
I hope to be a corporate jet pilot one day!
Thank you for all the wonderful insight from both sides of view. I beat to my own drum...I wanted to charge 488.88 and the fields on the bio page wouldn't let me, lolololol. Actually, I raised my rates almost two years ago and I found as a bonus that it was a beautiful natural way to filter out time wasters. Discerning men who know what they want will pay to experience it, it being me and everything pour out in a session. I have found that there are ebbs and flows however I am never in a place of desperation but I live according to my means. Yes, it's slow right now and that is why I have been traveling for fun. There needs to be a balance yet I admire the spirit of those that are working off a goal or stashing money for a rainy day. It's never really been about the money for me, It's just part of the hobby and it adds to the naughty nature of ones choices and secrets. I bet some of you really LIKE paying for it because it affords you so much pleasure and freedom. Just another perspective... Kisses.
P.S. Rumor has it JG is looking to retire in early 2023 so if you haven't visited yet you might want to start saving your pennies. 
I haven't raised my rates since 2018 and I answer every single text and email personally. My phone has been ringing but I'm finding either time wasters or fellas that don't want to screen on the other end.
I have excellent reviews and have for over 5 years so what's the deal? Do I raise my rates so that I session I do get pays all my bills or sit here and pray that someone else will follow my very simple screening rules?
Just because money is tight y'all still have to follow the rules.
