I was hanging out with some friends not too long ago at a certain gin mill. The conversation changed over to a few younger than us females across the way. One of us brought up the look that a number of those females have tattoos, piercings, hair style or color. So the question came up, would any of us guys there date a younger female if she had anything that any of these younger ladies had…or even if we could get a date with her.

A preference that older guys like me don't look for because we grew up with fantasizing about super models and swimsuit pin-ups without the ink and piercings. Now it's mainstream and desired by many of all ages. I used to try to avoid it but it's rare to find a lady in this business without any ink so I don't mind it BCD. I still feel uncomfortable with metal in less common places or large visible tats on a dinner date but I'll eventually get there.

... if they dye their hair purple or pink or whatever, Usually (but not always) those who dye their hair an alternate color also have short, cropped, chopped hair which doesn't appeal to me.

Tats means insecurity.  If you are happy with yourself, you don't mark yourself up.  I don't find insecurity sexy.  But manifestations of insecurity like tats signal that you might be easily manipulated -- an "easy lay."  And of course guys are going to gravitate to easy lays.  But that's not really who they would pick for arm candy.

I certainly don't begrudge a lady for her tattoo choices. I just find it distracting ... kind of like litter on a beautiful landscape. Small and tasteful ... ok. Large, armband style ... not for me. I recently had a promising date set with a hot lady, but when I was sent a picture of her with "suicide girl" tats, I decided to cancel. To each is own.

And there you have it . Souls labeling certain providers as losers. And after all  women are by nature insecure.  And have to mutilate themselves  because  they hate themselves.  

Re: Variety is the spice of life. (EOM)

I find that a good looking woman comes in many ways. Tats and hardware don't distract me on some it may enhance there appeal unless they are over done.Hygiene is a must but overdone make up is a turn off.I guess some older guys don't understand woman's fashions but women certainly do and right now tats are in and so are hardware of some kind.Although some of that hardware has to hurt. To me a young lady with a hot body look as good in yoga pants a revealing top a attractive that or two pierced ears and a face pierce look as good as one with a dress on and a lot of make up. I'm a sucker for short shorts as well as short skirt. I'm not critical of woman's dress as are some beauty is beauty I'm not here to control them I'm here to enjoy them.

I've seen some that I thought quite attractive and others not so much.  In general though I don't find it attractive when there gets to be a lot of it.

Really?  Care to explain how you arrived at that conclusion?  After all, wearing makeup and putting on fancy clothes are ways of marking oneself up; the effect simply aren't long lasting.  I also imagine that when you go see someone, you make the effort to cleanup and generally make yourself presentable as opposed to just walking out the door in whatever state you are in  when the time comes.

Good job Vorlon. Souls must be spreading   his version of Dr.Phil.  Read betwee the lines ladies  , your tats = damaged goods,and  and men aren't  banging  you and planting their seeds primarily for your intelect and charm  .

My daughter, for one.  She's neither insecure nor an easy lay.   I know why she decided to get each of her tats and it had nothing to do with insecurity.  Each of them has a special meaning to her.  I know other women for whom their tats each have a story behind it.  

I'm just inquiring if you have any scientific or scholarly articles that affirm and back up your assertion? Or is this just from your personal experience?

Right after torching  another rock.  But the bullshit should be good. So put on a pair of comfy slippers ,  get a  glass  of wine and enjoy  the show London  

From Psychology Today:

Exhibit B:

You can say that tatted up women have stronger personalities, but we know from recent history that ladies getting tats is a trend that has exploded in recent years.   People who are slaves to trends don't strike me as strong personalities.  

Thank you for those excerpts. As a current student I'd like the links to these articles so I can read further. I want to hear more about their participation selection, questions asked, when the articles were published. While I can see the potential correlation, I have to ask why you are so judgmental of tattoos in real life or even the industry?

Citing psychology today
=  Luddite.  

I was asked to cite published research so I did.  

I wrote eight sentences in my post.  Five of them included the base word "insecure."

Risk taking , well what the fuck makes you any better than tatted people. For fuck sakes , Souls you like all of us are plowing someone that has had 100- 1000's  of partners which for most part we know shit about.    

For the Suicide Girls /Kat Von D look. I eat wimps like Souls Harbor for breakfast.

That's great you said that. Now, can you provide the links to the articles please? I only ask because as I board this flight to bring me & various but small tattoos back to Minneapolis, I'd love to read it when I land. The most recent articles I can find are from 2002 citing the same info you provided. Out of date much? Provided I see other research that is actually cited I'll gladly fall back.

Here's a little hint to improve your google-fu.   Whenever someone provides quotes, you can put the quoted section in the google search bar and usually go straight to the article it was quoted from.

That is a general correlation.  Correlation does not prove causation and more importantly it does not show that everyone with tattoos is the loser you label them.

How long you plan to keep London  and everyone else on your merry go round?  

On the other hand ...

Because finding pics of heavily tattooed people on the internet is not remarkable.

CharlieMurphey, I found the article Souls was referring to. I'm all for civil discourse but I don't want it to turn into a match of us belittling one another. Now, Souls... you could have been sweet and linked the article it's not that hard. Alas, I found it.  

Well done London . Now all can view same  source of info  in same context if so choose  to. That's  only right honest thing to do

...AS a certified all American body art inspector I have come to the conclusion that tats are now more common than bumper stickers & just convey the message the subject wants others to know about them & they don't even have to have a car. Volumes are written every year analyzing nearly every aspect of human behavior & I believe the current trending of piercing & tattooing body art is just fodder for psychiatry students to have something to print. I believe it is foolish & unfair to judge someone for their body art.

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Same. My type of woman.

I was thinking maybe I should be a good girl & use my alias for this post, but your choice of the word loser really makes me not care if I seem insulting toward you.

...Where do I find this Michelle Mcgee & does she provide ?

Of course I have my own insecurities.  More so than average, I would imagine.  But "loser" is not a measure of someone's imperfections -- it is a measure of how they compensate for those imperfections.  

Now, or in the past.  The census includes losers like Theodore Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Justin Trudeau, Barry Goldwater, Caroline Kennedy, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Rihanna, Charlize Theron, Scarlett Johansson, Jessica Alba, Sandra Bullock, Julia Roberts, Anne Hathaway, Helen Mirren, Jamie Foxx, Brad Pitt, Heidi Klum, Emma Stone, Dwayne Johnson and many many many more fellow losers.

Psychology Today doesn't publish research. They publish opinion pieces based on research papers.

Maybe it's her lack of hair idk, but man I could really just people watch all day long sometimes....
People are so fascinating....anyway SOULS what's your point today?  
Because whatever it is I think I missed it. :|

Mindy, I think you pretty much nailed it!!  

"you knew you had such strong & unpopular beliefs"

... that If you have replied more than three times on a single topic, you've wasted your time.  

Souls you silly, silly, stuck in 'way back land', man.
Just because I point out a concept that might be considered unpopular should not somehow lead you into the the misconception that I would shy away from ANYTHING simply because it's not popular.  
Believe that buddy & since real always recognize's real I certainly will not go on 2site specifics... as my word is good enough to me.

Damn good advice.