I have given this Hobbyist every opportunity to respond to us and he has not and evidentially refuses to....

The only bad experience Mystique has had in the TC's since we have been visiting your city.....

The clients name is D.  His phone number is 952-xxx-3711....He shorted Sienna on her donation and now refuses by his silence to make things right.....D. has been with us at least two times before with no issues or problems...we naturally thought it just a oversight...we now believe it was intentional...

Sienna did her part and D.  did not...........If any providers would like all the information just PM me or email me at [email protected]..

I have alerted all the back channell groups Mystique is a member of.

Be extremely careful with this client....

Sienna (who is a very straightforward, self-possessed and sweet lady) told me last night that it took her a full day to recover physically from the appointment with this abusive jerk.

Wow, that's awful!!  Was he physically abusive?  What did this jerk do to her?

providers aren't wondering who and have to be overly suspicious of the good guys who know a woman should be worshiped,savored, and treated with the respect they deserve! Lets be gentle out there as we all enjoy this great hobby!

Jack
Per my email to you, I am not the same D.

not the person I posted the Bad Client report on.  Hopefully, Phanto this will clear up any misunderstanding for you....thanks so much for letting me know so we could get this up......

Jack

Thanks Jack.  Hope to see another of your fine ladies soon

What the fuck here, who's shelling out the $$$, all they worship and savor is the envelope.

Fist, with that attitude why bother? This is supposed to be fun stuff, and you will only get back what you give so I put every provider on a pedestal so as to maximize my experience!

Form Says that your information is secure and private. And will not be ompromised. Which usually means for any reason. Now it is too bad what happened if there was any physical abuse Which is unclear. But I think Jack is a little out of line with outing this person. He certainly could of banned this person from his ladies. But to post personal info on a public board out of line, and unproffessional.

Don't Feel like Satan but I am to them. So I try to forget it any way I can. Keep on Rockin in the Free World-Neil Young

disrespects one of the Ladies that I am responsible for I will give them every opportunity to make it right.  I gave this guy a week and several phone calls.

He chose not to take advantage of the opportunity to make things right plus he was out of line in being overly physical with Sienna.

His personal info was not comprised.  His first initial is all that was posted and also not his complete phone number.  You sir are out of line for taking this side and condoning others of not knowing that this person is not to be trusted.

Lets see if a provider stood you up or ran you off after 20 mins or refused to service you in the manner you expected I believe you would be all over these boards complaining...well sir turn about is fair play....

I will not have my Ladies disrespected by anyone and certainly not after they did their part.....it is sad you think that should be okay and kept quiet........

Sorry to hear this happened to your girl, Sienna.  The vast majority of guys, especially the ones on TER, love and respect women and would never fuck up like this guy.  He fucked up plain and simple.  If it was physical abuse, you should consider taking legal action for the sake of all our girls.

Also consider having a driver/bodyguard for the girls nearby just in case.  Lisa's driver will make grown men piss their pants and pay a $ just for wasting her time.

Whose shelling out the $s?  Us guys.  How do I get the most out of my experiences with the ladies?  One big part of it is ignoring that fact when I'm with the lady and treating it as something I hope will be fun for both of us.  Does this always work?  No.  When it doesn't, I don't go back.  When it does, then it's great.

I have only used one other agency (I tend to go for independent's) but even among the independent's the service I have gotten first from Jack and then from the ladies has been excellent. Is the price point for Mystique higher than the average, yes. Is the service honest, straightforward, and consistent, Yes. And quite frankly, I KNOW that if I go to Mystique I will worry much less than I normally do about getting my $$$ worth. I have a hard time believing that there is anyone in this hobby as forced consumer. If you don't like the $$$ or don't believe that the value is there, vote with your wallet. There are providers who will match the quality and service of Mystique but they are not common. There is no question that this board helps but as much fun as the hunt and chase can be, I HATE hit and/or miss. When a Mystique Lady comes to town it is not a question of, "might she be worth it" but, does this woman light my fire and am I going to choose to afford it. And if you don’t like the price, instead  of shorting a Lady or bitching on the board, find some who is a diamond in the rough (like Milan) and share the joy instead.

Oh yeah, one more thing, Jack I would be more than happy to make a donation to a kitty to get Sienna up to par on the shortage.

So what would you suggest the correct response be?  Given the nature of what goes on in the hobby it's not like this fellow can readily be taken to court or brought up on charges without stirring up a hornet's nest of additional trouble.

I made sure Sienna got her full amount and I took the shortage on my end...I post very few warnings of this type and always try to solve customer problems privately....but when a customer does not respond after having several opportunities it speaks volumes about that person.

I am very protective of the Ladies I work with and try hard not to let them be put in harms way from anyone.....I take things like this very seriously and would hope that clients would do the same........again thank you for the kind words and the offer but it will not be necessary....

First As far as the info goes Jack I could run a couple of quick google searches and fill in the blanks on this poor bastards info.

Secondly, In my business I also run into pepole that don't pay there bills or disrespect my employee's. I can take them to court because my business is legit, but sometimes that does not get me paid and I need to write it off as the cost of doing business. You know what I do, I just do not do anymore business with that cutomer. Simple as That.

Thirdly, There are only two people that really know what happened in that hotel room. This guy had two appoinments with no problems then on the third one he is light on his donation. are you certain without a doubt that Sienna is not the one ripping you off.

Just another unpopular opinion by the B_unit



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B you seem so unhappy with everything that is going on around here???... maybe time for you to take a break!!.. This time around you really are off base! Just because someone may have had a couple of appoinments with no issues..doesn't mean it can't happen...

Mystique made the decision to handle it by
alerting the community.  And they did so in a
very understated way - giving the guy time to
"explain" himself, following all the TER posting
guidelines, etc.

You decide how you want to deal with deadbeats
when it comes to your business, and Mystique can
decide how to deal with them when it comes to
their busines.

Letting deadbeats get away with shorting will
only let them escalate their behavior until
someone gets hurt.

the report of lockstock, a respected member of this forum, who reported that Sienna related she was physically abused by this guy. What possible reason would she have for fabricating her experience with D? Sienna knew that Jack would take care of her on the shortage. Are you telling us that it is O.K. to rough up a provider as long as you pay part of the donation? Or are you condoning violence against women in general, especially when they are afraid to go to the police? Enlighten us poor,misguided souls, please.

Eagle44 AKA john425 in case you have forgotten.

It's a prepaid... end of the line on that.
Also Jack knows the limits and acted in a perfect balance between getting the message out and respecting personal identity.

I understand your feelings on this b_unit, and in many ways share them (in part)... I also agree that this is a high paying/high risk career choice and just as in any business, bad must be excepted with the good... however, Jack runs an EXCEPTIONALLY high-end organization, and is fourth-right with his rules for those who choose to play at that level... This guy knew what her was getting into BEFORE he did it! As far as I see it, Jack has gone quite easy on the guy, considering how others might have chosen to handle this!

Jack is right on. I don't like the idea of personal info being given out, but this is only a snipit of the info. This is the first time I remember seeing Jack post anything like this. He/They have many clients and if this were an all the time deal I would agree and many would choose to look else where. But ... He seems to secure info and lastly remember if this scum-bag would have played by the rules and left the proper donation this wouldn't be and issue (not discounting the abuse. If there was a problem with the service Jack has in the past and I believe in the future would step up to the plate and possibly credit in part a session. Kinda like going out to eat and eating the whole steak and then complaining not cooked properly. If there is a problem mention it right away by walking and calling Jack. I have NO sympathy for provider or hobbyist for not fulfilling their part of the bargin. We need to have trust and respect for each other. I could think of other ways Jack could have used this guys info to cause him much pain and embarrasment. To me he is getting off to easy.

This is all I am really going to comment on this matter then I am done.

So this guy, which could be you, or me went through the booking process had a mininum of two good references, had two uneventful appointments.
And on the third has problems. Thats the Facts.

I do not know what actually happened. It could of happened as Jack Says. If it did that is very sad and I do not condone any violence towards anybody not even Eagle John Wahtevers his name.

Please stop making assumptions about my happiness with the hobby. Because I have had many positive experiences with the ladies I also have had Some not so positive. And I have always treated them first class and hoestly reviewed them when I chose to do so.

This is a public board and all they are our my opinions take them for what they are worth.
As I take yours for what they are worth.

I would rather be an asshole than a drone.

First, I want to say that in all the years I have been in this hobby, Jack is by far the best agency owner that I know of…and I have known a number of them. I’m not going to go into the reasons here on a public forum as why I think that…but I think that he did the right thing here in helping out a lot of ladies that really care about their personal well being.

Just because this one guy has had a number of dates through Mystique does not mean he is going to be ok for the rest. There have been other ladies that have seen a client for a while and all of a sudden he would pull this type of BS. Other case involve when a lady has seen a guy for a while and then he wants to see somebody else. The referral is given and the first date he gets very physical with the lady, so much that she has to fight him off. Why do guys do this, I’m sure there are many reasons

My last thought is about the “bodyguard” idea, I think that is a bad idea. Some of you old timers remember the days when you wanted an outcall and the guy walks into your place and hung around until he felt comfortable with you…I always felt really strange. It was the same with and incall too. The guy was hiding in another room, but this practice is still used today, but a number of guys do not know that.


When the guy sits in the car and waits for the lady is a situation that sometimes can backfire. There have been a number of incidents when after the lady went into the guys place she was physically abused. But the guy cannot really do anything, because he is to far away to help her out and the door will likely be locked. If the guy would break the door down or something like that, then we get into some legal problems for everybody. I know this has happened before on a call on the south side.

Now a bodyguard in a hotel can cause a whole lot more problems then most agencies want to deal with, especially after what has happened in the past locally.

save up for a couple years and try one of J's girls!