thanks for the suggestion though.
I visited a provider and upon entering on a side table was a day planner with names, phone numbers etc penciled in at various times/dates. Made me wonder how much info is retained by providers? Call logs on their phones have our numbers, saved e-mails, even PM sent here. How easy if any of them got busted with all that info for Le to trace back to clients!
I'm curious whether this provider you refer to is a provider who consistently is well reviewed on TER. I have always presumed that providers that get great reviews for appearance and performance are also very professional in the way they conduct their business and understand the necessity for discretion. That maybe a rebuttal presumption.
I've seen my fair share of well reviewed TER providers who have not protected private info whether it be in written form or electronic.
Being well reviewed on TER or elsewhere does not have anything to do with a provider's ability to run their business professionally let alone discretely.
Perhaps I have unreasonable expectations regarding the way some providers manage their business.
Being well reviewed on TER or elsewhere does not have anything to do with a provider's ability to run their business professionally let alone discretely.
I would think they could get anyone they wanted, if they wanted to go to the effort. It is up to you to make it not worth the effort.
This gal mentions she is just tracking her activities, not the people she is with... kind of interesting to look at.
Kind of cool personal site with all the little intro videos too.
How many stories are there of the busted madam giving out all her client info after she's busted? If one of the verification sites isn't good enough, there are about 2 Billion other holes to plug.
Prostitution is a misdemeanor. In order to charge, someone in LE needs to be witness to the agreement to perform a sexual act in exchange for money. Think about a provider who was no longer enamored with a hobbyist. You could not have her complain about him as there would only be two witnesses and [presumably] tell contradictory stories. LE provides a neutral, reliable witness.
The larger issue is if (as in recent AZ busts) LE releases the names of client lists the provider has to the media. Some providers assign pseudonyms to their clients to avoid this, not sure the one mentioned would be one of those.
Emphasizes the wisdom of having a disposable hobby phone and uses a service like P411.
No, not a lawyer
All those things make it harder for LE to trace anything back to a real person in such a situation.
Discretion is paramount. Now I don't know what was in her day planner exactly but keeping a log is giving LE a record.
I work legally only at a Nevada brothel, so those are not issues for me. I don't screen and don't need to know your real info because I am safe in a legal brothel. Unfortunately providers in other States don't have the legal option so they need to protect your guys because by doing so, they protect themselves
Your hypothetical scenario is far fetched in my opinion.
When was the last time this has happened? Which MN provider has done this?
I believe none have turned over info.
As far a a madam passing on all info to LE is different. The madam / agency is facing huge charges. If a solo indie girl is popped it's a petty misdemeanor. What lady would roll on her clients for such a low charge.
These threads are hypothetical and moreover nonsensical because it implies that the reputable service provider will cover her own ass to throw you under the bus. Stop with the stigma that service providers only think of themselves.
I personally know 4 women that were busted at some point, and guess what, they never turned over this info to police.
Laughing at your impudence,
Samantha Good
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confused by the usage of "impudence".
From what I've experienced, gentlemen lack discretion more often then service providers. From posting the location to gossipy pillow talk.
I find this line of posts to be offensive and rude. Simply because they imply service providers have loose lips and will sink any hobbyist with the info they have.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=impudence
It's far fetched and reaching because the provider he is writing about had a calendar?... Goodness no! Why have a reminder of when you need to be somewhere.
And btw, why was the OP looking at (through) a providers things?
Just my perspective and opinion... I know it's not everyone's pov.
-SG
and I agree with you. I do understand the meaning of the word, but nothing in your original post communicated offense other than the word.
I heard from a traveling provider that a client had actually give her hotel room number out to a "buddy" and that buddy was knocking on her door hoping for an appointment.
Hobbyists tend to think with the wrong head too often.
My first reaction also...what was he doing looking thru her "stuff". Not one lady that I've been with would give up anything. It's people that think of these things that would do those things.
When your options are going to jail and missed your kids or hand over your client list. I'm going to guess that your going to hand over your client list.
When was the last time this has happened? Which MN provider has done this?
I believe none have turned over info.
As far a a madam passing on all info to LE is different. The madam / agency is facing huge charges. If a solo indie girl is popped it's a petty misdemeanor. What lady would roll on her clients for such a low charge.
These threads are hypothetical and moreover nonsensical because it implies that the reputable service provider will cover her own ass to throw you under the bus. Stop with the stigma that service providers only think of themselves.
I personally know 4 women that were busted at some point, and guess what, they never turned over this info to police.
Laughing at your impudence,
Samantha Good
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Prostitution is a misdemeanor. The court system does not put people in prison for misdemeanors. A women is arrested, fingerprinted, photographed and issued a citation to appear in court. She is custody for only as long as it takes to complete that process.
It is different if she is also found with weapons or drugs or resists arrest.
Additional violations can result in additional penalties.
Can a provider turn over her client list? Yes she can. But LE has no opportunity to charge an individual client with a crime. If the list were made public through the media, yes that is a possibility, that is probably the greatest opportunity for damage. It has been done in several jurisdictions. An AZ agency evidently had a retired talk show host as a client, i.e. the information is not reliable.
A provider could out you to family members or employers, that is a risk you have to live with.
Avoid providers that appear unstable or who appear to not value discretion
Talon-you rub me the wrong way. And have for weeks now.
I am known in THIS community for discretion and privacy.
You are way off base to think I or any of my sexy lady counterparts would give up your or ANY hobbyists info.
Not going to happen.
And btw, if I was to be arrested for prostitution, I wouldn't be missing my kids as I have none AND I wouldn't be spending the night in jail---They issue you a ticket. However, I know you are a complete Noob so I can look beyond your ignorance.
Smh,
SG
Rub it anyway you want, I didn't say you specifically have kids.
I am known in THIS community for discretion and privacy.
You are way off base to think I or any of my sexy lady counterparts would give up your or ANY hobbyists info.
Not going to happen.
And btw, if I was to be arrested for prostitution, I wouldn't be missing my kids as I have none AND I wouldn't be spending the night in jail---They issue you a ticket. However, I know you are a complete Noob so I can look beyond your ignorance.
Smh,
SG
I think not providers aren't stupid most are rather street smart unlike most John's. I believe they would call a lawyer he is not going to tell them to give up anything. Providers I've known are very discreet and savvy it's not like there gonna get a brake by turning there list anyway.Remember this is there livelihood and recreation for us and frankly I trust my regular as much as my good friends.
on a side note to the original poster, I keep a day planner as well as others like in the real world, it has nothing to do with the hobby one iota, but for personal stuff like other appointments, stuff I have to do, new numbers of personal friends, etc. I mean did you examine it closely or? just assume it was a planner for this hobby? I'd hate to think that any of my clients would think that just by glancing around or seeing my desk
I am one that , (no, not due to age haha) but have to write shit down outside of this industry to stay on task with other daily obligations, sometimes could use a post it note right on my forehead- geez. What Samantha says is as far as my experience, is a truism , I have never heard of any instances regarding this- its a misdemeanor folks and the clients I do see, as a dear lady who is not here anymore said, leave as friends, never would I roll on my friends over such a petty issue, I hope this kind of paranoia can be resolved as any reputable lady here and elsewhere that I am familiar with- well it just don't happen. I have even heard of cases where some lady was busted and rumors were spread that their computers were confiscated and etc and guess what, never happened. Hope this does not come off as harsh in this thread, I am a gentle soul and I like you Handy! I just think words of wisdom are to never assume the worst- and I guess it was not wrong for you to ask either. Hope everyone has a great day! They are saying the sun is coming , lets hope sooner then later! Peace and party on! J. xxxoo
I agree and if a provider rolled on her clients how far would law enforcement go on a misdemeanor anyway.Flip side if a John got busted what would happen to his info and would let go after his contacts.
Obviously, giving up that kind of information should they be arrested is a bad idea but that doesn't mean there aren't those who would do it anyway out of the mistaken belief that it might make things easier for them. And if the jurisdiction where such a provider got arrested was cracking down for some reason (elections coming up, etc.) LE might try to follow up on that info, rattle a few cages, and see if a hobbyist panics and stupidly admits to doing something.
Now, how likely is this? Not very and so long as the hobbyist has taken the proper precautions and also knows better than to actually talk to LE then the risk is even less. But it's not that far-fetched IMHO although it is not something I lose sleep over either. But when I was new to this, I did worry over things like this that in hindsight weren't that risky.
I do have to say I agree with Samantha..,I highly doubt a provider would turn over client info over a misdemeanor prostitution ticket...I know I wouldn't and I also know girls who have been arrested and haven't. In fact, they pay their ticket and continue working, so it would be very counterproductive to turn in clients...
However, that is not to say it couldn't happen and I do understand the need for caution on a hobbyists end,most especially if you use an agency seeing as those places would most likely face trafficking charges and have more info stored, but again, just an opinion.
Anyhow, I personally use an electronic calendar on a throw away device attached to no name that is actually linked to my own device so that if (knock on wood!) I was to be arrested, I, or a friend, could clear and wipe all the data on the throwaway device that they would presumably take from me. I do also try to be vague when typing in my appointments...why not take that little precaution that is so easy...
Let's all just hope no one has to deal with any of this!!! 
At the end of the day there is one person & one person ONLY who is responsible & MOST reliable to rely on for my safety & security. That person is ME!
As Vorlon stated, hobbyists & (I might add) providers I hope are using untraceable hobby phones, email addresses, as well as hobby aliases that are NOT linked to their real lives. The more real info you disclose, the easier YOU make it to have yourself in a bad situation.
While this may be a petty misdemeanor it is one that has & can destroy lives. Anyone had a parking ticket do that? People do things often out of character when their family, jobs, etc are threatened. It may be rare but (IMO) not worth the risk that one could be caught up in that "rare" occasion. Not for me anyway.
Luv U2 gorgeous!
MWAH all over your sexy body!
I think the point is that the client could be vulnerable in some way if a prostitute gets busted. Also, not all providers are going to react equally, and the original post is neither nonsensical or impudent.
Tell me, do you remember why Tiger St Claire was investigated for MFP ?
The HOBBYISTs in the MN nice guys were to blame, not a service provider.
You are correct the main point of the OP is to say service provider when getting pinched are more likely to roll when the EXACT opposite is the truth.
-provider is busted, it would behoove her to turn in her clients. It would be hard for her to return to her profession. Many ladies that are busted STFU, pay their ticket and then keep working.
-a hobbyist is busted, he is worried his family, job, church or the media will find out (because say he is a police chief) and guess who is going to spill ---
Answer this: what does a provider have to gain and lose if she gives up all her stored info.
What does a hobbyist have to gain and lose by giving up info.
It seems as if a hobbyist would be MUCH MORE likely to rat out a provider then the other way around.
One would be protecting their income (profession). The other is protecting their image.
So yes, threads if this nature irk me because of the negative stigma hobbyists like you (and OP) perpetuate... Service providers only look out for their own safety. Which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I am concerned about EVERYONES safety.
My opinion!
S
Please reread the OP. I don't understand where you get that the main point of the OP is to say "service provider when getting pinched are more likely to roll." He doesn't say or imply that anywhere.
I also don't even see where the OP is suggesting that providers would willingly give up any information. He just notes the danger if LE were to acquire that information, as the result of a bust.
It seems to me that the only negative stigma being perpetuated here is by you, about clients, rather than the other way around. I don't think you are doing it intentionally but I do believe you are overreacting. JMO
The HOBBYISTs in the MN nice guys were to blame, not a service provider.
You are correct the main point of the OP is to say service provider when getting pinched are more likely to roll when the EXACT opposite is the truth.
-provider is busted, it would behoove her to turn in her clients. It would be hard for her to return to her profession. Many ladies that are busted STFU, pay their ticket and then keep working.
-a hobbyist is busted, he is worried his family, job, church or the media will find out (because say he is a police chief) and guess who is going to spill ---
Answer this: what does a provider have to gain and lose if she gives up all her stored info.
What does a hobbyist have to gain and lose by giving up info.
It seems as if a hobbyist would be MUCH MORE likely to rat out a provider then the other way around.
One would be protecting their income (profession). The other is protecting their image.
So yes, threads if this nature irk me because of the negative stigma hobbyists like you (and OP) perpetuate... Service providers only look out for their own safety. Which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I am concerned about EVERYONES safety.
My opinion!
SG
"Made me wonder how much info is retained by providers? Call logs on their phones have our numbers, saved e-mails, even PM sent here. How easy if any of them got busted with all that info for Le to trace back to clients!"
The OP is questioning reputable providers that have a schedule, a phone, emails or PMs -how easy is it for the hobbyist to be busted as well. ---Lolz for a moment--tracked by LE because their number was retained by a busted provider.... Why would LE go to such lengths when no crime has been commited?
How about HOW much information is retained by hobbyist on providers? Did the OP mention that?... The OP admitted to looking at a providers personal book. How much information did he GLEAN from his Looky Loo eye?
What about incall locations (as mentioned earlier).
Why I have responded the way I did was because both sides need to examine security and discretion. When threads come up painting the picture (aka implied) that service providers retain info that could (not) be used.
The have to catch you in the act of sex for money.
A call log is not going to bust someone.
I rally for no stigmas. I don't believe both sides of the discretion equation were fairly represented on this thread. Like Leann said: YOU have to keep YOU safe. Bottom line I'm happy the OP asked this question. It may open his, Talons, your and other kind that safety and discretion is EVERYONES job. Not just the service provider that keeps a calendar.
Sorry, we can just agree to disagree. The coin goes both ways. He opened himself up to these comments by stating he violated a providers privacy by looking at her schedule then has the nerve to imply service providers retained information that is obtained by LE might be traceable.
Thanks for responding and reading.
SG
I also don't even see where the OP is suggesting that providers would willingly give up any information. He just notes the danger if LE were to acquire that information, as the result of a bust.
It seems to me that the only negative stigma being perpetuated here is by you, about clients, rather than the other way around. I don't think you are doing it intentionally but I do believe you are overreacting. JMO
The HOBBYISTs in the MN nice guys were to blame, not a service provider.
You are correct the main point of the OP is to say service provider when getting pinched are more likely to roll when the EXACT opposite is the truth.
-provider is busted, it would behoove her to turn in her clients. It would be hard for her to return to her profession. Many ladies that are busted STFU, pay their ticket and then keep working.
-a hobbyist is busted, he is worried his family, job, church or the media will find out (because say he is a police chief) and guess who is going to spill ---
Answer this: what does a provider have to gain and lose if she gives up all her stored info.
What does a hobbyist have to gain and lose by giving up info.
It seems as if a hobbyist would be MUCH MORE likely to rat out a provider then the other way around.
One would be protecting their income (profession). The other is protecting their image.
So yes, threads if this nature irk me because of the negative stigma hobbyists like you (and OP) perpetuate... Service providers only look out for their own safety. Which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I am concerned about EVERYONES safety.
My opinion!
SG
2late,
Well said on all points.
I also don't even see where the OP is suggesting that providers would willingly give up any information. He just notes the danger if LE were to acquire that information, as the result of a bust.
It seems to me that the only negative stigma being perpetuated here is by you, about clients, rather than the other way around. I don't think you are doing it intentionally but I do believe you are overreacting. JMO
The HOBBYISTs in the MN nice guys were to blame, not a service provider.
You are correct the main point of the OP is to say service provider when getting pinched are more likely to roll when the EXACT opposite is the truth.
-provider is busted, it would behoove her to turn in her clients. It would be hard for her to return to her profession. Many ladies that are busted STFU, pay their ticket and then keep working.
-a hobbyist is busted, he is worried his family, job, church or the media will find out (because say he is a police chief) and guess who is going to spill ---
Answer this: what does a provider have to gain and lose if she gives up all her stored info.
What does a hobbyist have to gain and lose by giving up info.
It seems as if a hobbyist would be MUCH MORE likely to rat out a provider then the other way around.
One would be protecting their income (profession). The other is protecting their image.
So yes, threads if this nature irk me because of the negative stigma hobbyists like you (and OP) perpetuate... Service providers only look out for their own safety. Which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I am concerned about EVERYONES safety.
My opinion!
SG
Couldn't agreed more, wish I could put up the internet high-five here.
I also don't even see where the OP is suggesting that providers would willingly give up any information. He just notes the danger if LE were to acquire that information, as the result of a bust.
It seems to me that the only negative stigma being perpetuated here is by you, about clients, rather than the other way around. I don't think you are doing it intentionally but I do believe you are overreacting. JMO
The HOBBYISTs in the MN nice guys were to blame, not a service provider.
You are correct the main point of the OP is to say service provider when getting pinched are more likely to roll when the EXACT opposite is the truth.
-provider is busted, it would behoove her to turn in her clients. It would be hard for her to return to her profession. Many ladies that are busted STFU, pay their ticket and then keep working.
-a hobbyist is busted, he is worried his family, job, church or the media will find out (because say he is a police chief) and guess who is going to spill ---
Answer this: what does a provider have to gain and lose if she gives up all her stored info.
What does a hobbyist have to gain and lose by giving up info.
It seems as if a hobbyist would be MUCH MORE likely to rat out a provider then the other way around.
One would be protecting their income (profession). The other is protecting their image.
So yes, threads if this nature irk me because of the negative stigma hobbyists like you (and OP) perpetuate... Service providers only look out for their own safety. Which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I am concerned about EVERYONES safety.
My opinion!
SG
Dude, to quote talon: "When your options are going to jail and missed your kids or hand over your client list."
IS "Breathtakingly Ignorant", because she is not going to jail in the first place. Remember the original post referred to one provider
Can she hand it over to LE, yes, but it is of no prosecution value. The DC Madam handed over her client lists, numbering in the thousands. Not one single client was charged with a crime. Two prominent people were outed, but as I indicated that is a risk you take in this activity
Actually, taken literally, Talon is probably correct. If the options are going to jail and not seeing your kids, who knows what a provider may do. Same with a client. Also, LE may acquire the list without the provider's cooperation.
You are correct though, she wouldn't be going to jail in almost all circumstances. IMO, the biggest danger to the client is making the list public, not being charged or even convicted of a crime. And of course it's a risk. Risks and how to mitigate them, are what the thread should be about.
IS "Breathtakingly Ignorant", because she is not going to jail in the first place. Remember the original post referred to one provider
Can she hand it over to LE, yes, but it is of no prosecution value. The DC Madam handed over her client lists, numbering in the thousands. Not one single client was charged with a crime. Two prominent people were outed, but as I indicated that is a risk you take in this activity.
No, talon remains incorrect. The lady simply is not a risk of jail time unless there is something else in play such as drugs, weapons, etc. LE has no specific reason to "pressure" a provider into releasing client data, since this data is not usable in a prosecution.
Agree with your points regarding disclosure. In those instances where disclosure has happened, it has been a larger agency operation taken down such as Desert Divas, Miami Companions and, locally, the Minnesota Nice guys. The "ringleader" of that outfit was an attorney, beyond dumb.
My attitude is that if P411 is unacceptable to a provider, she does not see me. I see only established ladies who at least claim to be independent.
My point is: It doesn't matter if she is at risk of going to jail or not. Talon's premise states that "When your options are going to jail..." And the specific reason for releasing client's names is to deter others, not to prosecute.
Agree with your points regarding disclosure. In those instances where disclosure has happened, it has been a larger agency operation taken down such as Desert Divas, Miami Companions and, locally, the Minnesota Nice guys. The "ringleader" of that outfit was an attorney, beyond dumb.
My attitude is that if P411 is unacceptable to a provider, she does not see me. I see only established ladies who at least claim to be independent.
90 Days in jail according to the website.
http://blog.aacriminallaw.com/5-myths-prostitution-minnesota/
5. Myth: Prostitution is a petty crime with minor penalties.
Fact: The least serious prostitution charge is a misdemeanor, the maximum penalty for which is a fine of up to $1,000 and 90 days in jail. Prostitution offenses can also be classified as gross misdemeanors, punishable by a fine of up to $3,000 and a maximum sentence of 1 year in jail. Public acts of prostitution and solicitation of prostitution are generally charged as gross misdemeanors. Felony prostitution offenses involve minors, promoting prostitution, or prostitution-related racketeering charges and can lead to prison sentences of more than a year or fines greater than $3,000.
Read more about the laws and consequences of Minnesota prostitution in our Prostitution in Minnesota blog series.
Agree with your points regarding disclosure. In those instances where disclosure has happened, it has been a larger agency operation taken down such as Desert Divas, Miami Companions and, locally, the Minnesota Nice guys. The "ringleader" of that outfit was an attorney, beyond dumb.
My attitude is that if P411 is unacceptable to a provider, she does not see me. I see only established ladies who at least claim to be independent.
Why don't you find out how many prostitution arrests result in jail time. That is the appropriate answer to whether or not a provider "faces" jail time as a result of this misdemeanor.
(Hint: It is a round number.)
The last service provider I know that was busted paid a $300 ticket.
A word of advice: Talon- being a noob sometimes it's better to just read versus inserting your foot in your mouth as you have done repeatedly here.
Peace out Minnesota board!
Samantha Good
I'm sure there's plenty more, I just don't have ot want to spending time searching. Found this only after about 5 minutes of my time.
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1. Prostitution - Hire/Offers/Agrees to Hire 18 Yr Old or Older
09/14/2010 (MSD) 609.324.3(a)(2) (6093243a2)
Local Confinement:
Agency: Dakota County Jail
Term: 10 Days
Time To Serve: 9 Days
Duration: 07/12/2011 9:00 AM
Credit For Time Served: 1 Days
Status: Active 06/22/2011
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(Hint: It is a round number.)
Dakota County, really?
Dakota county does have a judge recommended 10 day sentence for prostitution, look at the dates:
The offense was committed on September 14, 2010.
The sentence was imposed June 22, 2011 for service in July, 2011.
Does not exactly match up well with your scenario of going to jail and not seeing your kids anymore now does it? Plus you had to go back 4 years? Really
Who the fuck care what county it is, you wanted an example of some one going to jail and I provided one. I don't fucking have unlimited time to search. If I can find one if 5 minutes, I'm sure there are many more examples if I care to spend the time to search.
Dakota county does have a judge recommended 10 day sentence for prostitution, look at the dates:
The offense was committed on September 14, 2010.
The sentence was imposed June 22, 2011 for service in July, 2011.
Does not exactly match up well with your scenario of going to jail and not seeing your kids anymore now does it? Plus you had to go back 4 years? Really?
Dude you are just not getting it.
The premise of your post was that a provider would serve up client lists under the threat of losing time with her children. Here's the way a bust of a provider goes down:
1. An undercover officer ("UO") makes an appointment with a provider.
2. The provider fails to screen and/or makes an error in screening.
3. The UO (wearing a wire) gets the provider to say something incriminating.
4. LE knocks on the door insisting that it be opened immediately.
5. Provider or UO opens the door and LE comes in full swat gear. (I know some will say this is bullshit, but this is the way it goes down. LE enters in this way as a safety precaution for LE personnel. They simply don't know what (if any) weapons might be in the room.)
6. Pursuant to the arrest they gather whatever evidentiary items the may find including phones, computers, notebooks, datebooks, sex toys and condoms.
7. The provider is taken into the local jail, fingerprinted, photographed, searched and issued a summons to appear in court at a later date.
If some client lists are among the items seized, it is already in LE hands.
Where exactly in this scenario does the sweating the provider under a hot lamp to give up her clients names or lose access to her children.
Listen: The provider could give out the full legal name, address and phone number of every single client she has ever serviced and graphic detail of every sex act she ever performed with those clients.
Guess what: None of those clients could be charged based upon that testimony. The reason LE goes through all that rigmarole in making the initial bust is that a LE officer needs to witness the commission of the misdemeanor.
Let's say a case gets to court, Provider testifies that she did xyz to Mr. abc on June 22nd. Mr. abc testifies no she didn't. It would be classic he says/she says, that is to say in could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why none of the DC Madam's clients were charged with a crime.
Could release of the information to the press be incredibly damaging to a hobbyist? Yes, but that was not your contention. LE does not spend time, where it cannot prove a crime
Engaging if prostitution has gotten people jail time, eom. Go back and read the myth about prostitution laws in Minnesota from link above.
The premise of your post was that a provider would serve up client lists under the threat of losing time with her children. Here's the way a bust of a provider goes down:
1. An undercover officer ("UO") makes an appointment with a provider.
2. The provider fails to screen and/or makes an error in screening.
3. The UO (wearing a wire) gets the provider to say something incriminating.
4. LE knocks on the door insisting that it be opened immediately.
5. Provider or UO opens the door and LE comes in full swat gear. (I know some will say this is bullshit, but this is the way it goes down. LE enters in this way as a safety precaution for LE personnel. They simply don't know what (if any) weapons might be in the room.)
6. Pursuant to the arrest they gather whatever evidentiary items the may find including phones, computers, notebooks, datebooks, sex toys and condoms.
7. The provider is taken into the local jail, fingerprinted, photographed, searched and issued a summons to appear in court at a later date.
If some client lists are among the items seized, it is already in LE hands.
Where exactly in this scenario does the sweating the provider under a hot lamp to give up her clients names or lose access to her children.
Listen: The provider could give out the full legal name, address and phone number of every single client she has ever serviced and graphic detail of every sex act she ever performed with those clients.
Guess what: None of those clients could be charged based upon that testimony. The reason LE goes through all that rigmarole in making the initial bust is that a LE officer needs to witness the commission of the misdemeanor.
Let's say a case gets to court, Provider testifies that she did xyz to Mr. abc on June 22nd. Mr. abc testifies no she didn't. It would be classic he says/she says, that is to say in could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why none of the DC Madam's clients were charged with a crime.
Could release of the information to the press be incredibly damaging to a hobbyist? Yes, but that was not your contention. LE does not spend time, where it cannot prove a crime.
website marketing people to hire them?
Nothing like an unbiased source.
It would be awfully hard to give references without saving an email address, name or phone number. If you don't get rescreened every time you go back to see someone it's because she remembers you from the info you gave her, not because you made such a big impression on her that she will never forget you.
You provide for your own safety by doing your research and by not giving out information that you feel might bite you in the ass. You use a hobby phone and hobby email so you are not the low hanging fruit but if something VERY BAD happens and LE really wants to find you it's going to be pretty hard to hide, you can't eliminate the risk but you can minimize it.
The ladies I see are all well reviewed and very professional in the way they conduct their business, as am I. We all do the best we can to protect ourselves and each other. There is a certain amount of trust that we must have in one and other to do the right thing. I refuse to worry about or waste energy on stuff that is out my control.
You provide for your own safety by doing your research and by not giving out information that you feel might bite you in the ass. You use a hobby phone and hobby email so you are not the low hanging fruit but if something VERY BAD happens and LE really wants to find you it's going to be pretty hard to hide, you can't eliminate the risk but you can minimize it.
The day planner was open on a table by the door. I did not go through any of her things as some suggest. I didn't say anything about the provider rolling over or loose lips. I was thinking if I were LE and confiscated it or her phone/Ipad (in plain sight) with call logs/saved emails etc. as to how much providers save that could be accessed by LE. A lot of people are adding a lot to the post that simply is not there. You are lucky that I am not thin skinned and take offense to your accusations!!
Your original post is poorly written then.
A planner is proof of nothing. How do you even know Joeblow from TER was scheduled or a dentist appointment? You looked and saw something on a table and started thinking in a hypothetical world.
To address your original thought vs what you posted.
The loose info any LE would confiscate would not be worth it to try and figure who and what each name/number meant. Only if it involved minors, trafficking, guns, drugs and other offenses added would LE really dig into a planner or other modalities of stored information.
Sorry if you think I didn't read your OP. I did, and I thought your train of thought implied providers retained info *might be used against clients. Sorry if my reading comprehension is not accurate here.
It's all part of a simple discussion. No need for thick skin.
Hugs,
Samantha
If there are minors involved they will go code RED as they should!! The only other time they make any effort is if there is a complaint from residents. A massage & HE parlor in a strip mall is on their watch list. Street walkers are also because they are visible to the public and the public complains. As an adult private person especially if you see clients in your home, they do not care. If people who are upset with a provider complain they don't care. If the customer get robbed they don't care. Keep your shade down, don't advertise explicitly and avoid a "Massage Parlor" sign on your door.
If a private provider did get busted (very unlikely) the records of name and phone #'s is not evidence or reasonable cause to investigate. They can not peruse a person because his name is on a piece of paper or a computer disk. They can collect the info but the only thing they can do with it is publish it. If I have a drop phone and cute little name, publishing my hobby name and drop phone number is the other reason they do not even try. Be smart, see well reviewed ladies, be a gentleman and you have very little risk.
Often because someone was upset about it and complained.
the fact that most provider's have a life as well. Therefore, we have to separate the real world from the hobby world just like you....My life would crumble if my world's somehow spilled into one another....I can imagine how that would feel; therefore, not only do I keep all of my information as private as possible but I also keep your's private. Do I delete all my emails and PM's.....no, but how is LE going to get into my emails or PMs?
You all are being silly...Like we (provider's) don't have anything to lose or we would just give all of our info up if we ever got busted. The chances on getting busted with proper screening techniques are very slim to being with.
people are less safe than they think... "untraceable hobby phone and email" someone said? those are serious misconceptions. However, it may not be that likely for LE to bother with it in a petty crime scenario. They don't seem to be doing it now, anyway.
Actually,
No one said untraceable hobby phone and email.
The comment related to "disposable" hobby phone and "web-based" email.
Any phone can be traced, but by turning off your hobby phone when not in use and paying cash for the phone rather than credit/debit card, it can't be traced to you. Throw away the phone if LE starts sniffing around gals you know.
Email can be traced, regardless of "web based" or software package based, by tracking back to your IP address. You can mask this by getting a VPN software package, but even that does not assure privacy. It does make things more difficult to trace to you, which is rather the point.
It not a matter of this ever being a "riskless" activity, it is a matter of making it more difficult to implicate you.
There are hobbyists out their who actually use their work emails and work phone to communicate with providers.
idiot
thanks for the suggestion though.
He's just licking his wounded wankie again. Ignore the mouth breather & he'll get bored & go troll another board. That's his hobby. Hehe!