every girl target the market they want based on the rates they charge..to each its own...like cars, houses, or everything else each is after the market they want to be in. I do not think 5+ bills is a big deal
Gross over-generalizations incoming.
Supply and demand, the itch and the scratch, the small vs. the big brain, wham-bam or something more, particular interests or needs (whatever they may be)... The discussions have all been had, and really aren't the aim of my foray into initiating a discussion on the board.
I have been around the hobby longer than even I realize sometimes. With that, I have seen my share of trends, geographical differences and similarities, and have experienced things both wonderful and deplorable which I will never forget.
More recently though, I have observed an inflation of rate the likes of which is almost incomparable, and the rationale (at least to me, hence the post) lacking.
I have followed the rise of some from their more humble beginnings to world-elite class (repeatedly kicking myself for not taking an opportunity to meet them, of course), gradually increasing requested donations over time. These individuals are established, reputable, and allow for a very high level of confidence that time shared together will lead to only pleasant surprises. This post is not directed at these rare few individuals.
Amazingly, other individuals who are just as (perhaps more?) amazing to share time with have held their ground. We are fortunate to have several of these lovely ladies in our very own neighborhood. This post is not directed at these rare individuals other than to express gratitude.
More recently, a newer group seems to be emerging who appear out of the blue yet are still seeking major-league (or greater) compensation. I have found myself thinking, "Really?" more often than I ever have when I am finally able to find donation information. At times, it has bordered on, "You have got to be kidding me."
Perhaps I am the old goat akin to the "I remember when bread cost a nickel!" generation. Regardless, I am more interested in reading impressions other men and women in this community have. This is not intended to be a discussion, necessarily, on worth, or impression of self-worth, but more a venue to explore the trends in the community. Perhaps it would help identify some rationale that would make sense to me as to the 5, 10, or more bills being requested for a brief interlude, or being a relative unknown asking for nearly as much. What do the established folks think?
It's getting cold outside, and I know heat is nice, but I attempted to make this discussion-starter as non-confrontational as possible. Please keep the flames to a minimum.
Stay safe and have fun.
Stone
I was given some really good advice from a client at the beginning, and it has served me pretty well. He said that it's better to be the best $150/hr provider than a semi-average $200 provider (or whatever rate). I've been told by several clients that I don't charge enough. However, I hold my ground with my massage rate, because I want people to walk away dazzled that they only paid $160 for that. I love the tips. It's quite the compliment. However, I have some clients who are of the lower working class who are able to treat themselves once in a while because of how steady I keep my rates.
That being said, when I get someone who's begging for more and disappointed if I say no to their request, it's like REALLY??? Wtf? I keep my rate low even for what I DO do. Why is that not good enough? So, some girls raise their rates to weed out some of those, and I understand that...
The point is, I am a good provider looking for good, respectful clients to please. I provide, you pay. We can all be happy. Respect.
What some providers ask for what they give, though, baffles me. However, there are guys that will pay, just like their are guys who will still see a cheap girl with the shittiest of reviews.
Just how many licks DOES it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? The world may never know... (Truth be told, I did that experiment. Took me 420 licks, and I thought, "What a great number!")
I remember Trinity's post on the subject of rates several months ago. The OP wrote a long well worded post, but the answer is not complcated, imho. The market drives prices. If a provider can move her price upscale to let's say 5 bills and she still has a large client base willing to see her, then more power to her. The MN market is not known for higher prices, but that has changed somewhat over the years. When I say market, I refer to the specific area she is serving. If on the other hand like Trinity, she wants to keep her price low, that is her choice, (and it does depend on services offered as many massage/escort providers are not quite FS and that does keep the price down). Also, being altruistic in pricing is certainly a provider's choice. Having owned and operated several successful retail enterprises over the years I have always believed in the power of the market to determine price. The goal in pricing is to maximize profit while at the same time being competetive, finding a balance that is always determined by the market. This is a primary source of income for many providers and just like most professionals many want to make as much money as they can. Recently we had a starlet wannabe from out west in town asking for a grand an hour. I thought wow, she must be nuts. I emailed her after she was here, she said she had 5 guys see her in the 2 days she was here (of course I have no way of knowing if she was being truthful, but her website still indicates those high rates so somebody must be paying them). I know a gent who recently saw a porn star and paid $$$$/hr. He said he would do it again in a heartbeat. The market will ALWAYS tell a provider when she is charging too much. Finally, in any sector of business there are the best, the average and the not so good. The hobby is a luxury, but some will always want the lowest price, well, there is a segment of the market for that, although I think that the risks are greater as the price gets smaller. The top ladies deserve every dime they make, imho. I know some guys can only afford $$ and there are sources for them or they can save and see a top tier woman. But being a hobbyist is not a need for most, it is another choice ..how do I spend my money and what are my priorites?
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that rates and worth are not one and the same. Rates and Classiness are not one and the same. A lady can be classy even if she only charges $150 or $200/hr.
Some ladies set their rates higher to weed out the bottom feeders and to lighten her load, so to speak.
And, ladies who have more on their menu and are consistently getting 9 and 10's for performance should receive a higher compensation than those (like myself) with more modest scores and less on the menu.
My rates are not a reflection of my worth as a person and as a woman.
+1 to both of you.
Some ladies set their rates higher to weed out the bottom feeders and to lighten her load, so to speak.
And, ladies who have more on their menu and are consistently getting 9 and 10's for performance should receive a higher compensation than those (like myself) with more modest scores and less on the menu.
My rates are not a reflection of my worth as a person and as a woman.
I rather enjoyed reading both sides male & female to this awesome thread. I can relate to all sides & used to be affordable when I wanted the business. Now, I play once a week, or month if I am lucky. My time is very limited, so I choose who I play with wisely. Chemistry is everything, but after reading Trinity's post I may have to start giving back a little charity perhaps to the less, than blessed.
Thank you to you positive TER members!
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. We hobbyists are partly to blame for some of the ridiculous prices being asked when we agree to pay them. When some one with no reviews, or poor reviews expect to be compensated like those with good reviews we only encourage them. I have a few providers that charge very reasonable rates and provide good service who I'm very grateful for.
Stone
Very interesting and well put. I agree that some good providers are keeping rates reasonable and that is why I keep going back to them (thank you ladies).
SM69
When I see high rates posted I just remind myself that a flight to Bangkok is $1500, a room at the Nana is $80/night (and around $45/night at a nice little place down the street), bar fine in $4, and a young lady for the evenings horizontal refreshment is $20-$80. If I get bored, go up-country and have some fun.
Yes, I've seen providers appearing who are asking for quite high rates. I don't call or email them. I see someone whose rates are within what I am willing to pay. Scan through the reviews. There's not that many of providers asking those rates.
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every girl target the market they want based on the rates they charge..to each its own...like cars, houses, or everything else each is after the market they want to be in. I do not think 5+ bills is a big deal
I can't speak for everyone so I'll just speak for myself.
I do not and have never wanted to see multiple people per day. It's not my style. In fact, 2-3 people a week is more my style.
When I first started and was charging a very low rate, I'd get 100-150 phone calls a day so that I had to shut off my phone after I was able to screen ONE person. That stinks for the other 149 people calling so I decided to raise my rates. Calls dropped to 50 a day. Raised them again a year later and calls dropped to 10 a day. Way more manageable. Raised them one last time about 2 years ago and now I get the perfect amount of calls for my "Supply".
So with these girls, if they can get it, they'll ask for it. If they can't, they'll lower their rate. Honestly, if it seems too high for your comfort level, don't go and see them. If enough men stick to their guns and it's the majority, then the girl may eventually lower her rates. If not, then she is obviously pricing herself correctly for her own comfort level.
Off my soap box...
CG
That I can definitely relate to.