It seems that if you have a thread with a lot of involvement, and a lot of responses, the moderators delete it.  That'll squelch thoughts of involvement.

And I was scratching my head as to why, and how, your long thread got removed for awhile, then returned.  Weird.

The board is a major snoozefest 90 % of the time.  The posts I like best are those that make me think and reconsider my own views on things.  Sure, some of those posts are not politically correct, come off as brash or uncouthe.  When you peel away the tone of delivery, oftentimes, those posts really have some interesting content.  Because of the tone of delivery or sometimes just who the poster is, those posts are considered "controversial".  

Because they are deemed "controversial",  they are chased away by a few people who want to control the board.    Those people who do control the board are  BORING.   Case in point is your other  thread.  A controversial poster came out and posted his thoughts and he's called all kinds of names.  Why?  What's the point?  Just because someone disagrees does not mean folks have to start trashing each other.  It's like a bunch of bullies on the schoolyard playground.  But, those same bullies think they are being good defendants of us poor ladies.    

Guess what?  
Number 1. Attacking a "controversial" poster makes you no better when you spew garbage, vile terms, and hatred!  
Number 2. Most of the providers I know do not need nor want "saving" from men they may or may not have even met.  If they feel slighted or insulted, you can damn well be sure they will come here and speak their mind.  I've seen it here many times.

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I can only "Like" your post-- I can't "Love" it.  Thank you for those honest, personal, and insightful words.  Reads almost like something I'd write, but if I did, I'd be taken to task merely because of who I am.  We need more ladies like you sharing thoughts in here.   (How long until I get trashed for writing this?)

TER can set them straight on that.

Lady, you and lyt can have a mutual admiration society all you want, no one really cares, or is bothered by that.

Name calling and attacks are rather drool but don't forgive him, he's earned his emnity.  Writing negative reviews?  I actually agree with him, everyone should be more honest.  It serves the entire community.  Having negative commentary?  Variety is the spice of life, although his use of the term WK is rather pendantic.  

But this person came dangerously close to outing a provider last year in some kind of personal vendetta (evidently which he's still not over, he mentions her in the other thread)  and has outed a fellow hobbyist.

This is all fun and games but NO ONE has the right to endanger another's safety and security.

Outing a provider. Who chose and was not forced to do that interview. Said provider.  You enter public arena in that fasion, well you except  the liabilities that come with  it. Nothing more nothing less.  
She wanted all the benefits we all know that.

Show me that please because I do not recall writing that.  

Those WK's are the some of the same wonderful folks who were circulating license  
plate numbers a few years back and who were campaigning for ladies to remove
white lists of certain hobbyists.   So, how again are the WK's any better?   They are not.  

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You didn't, and I never implied that.

have your facts way wrong.  Don't tr to re-write history and don't write about stuff you know NOTHING about.  Don't try to blame "outing" her on any one person other than HER.  You do recall she outed herself, right?  SO fuck off!  You and your lame post here.  And if you're suggesting I have outed any hobbyists, you are plain fucking lying, crazy, and have no basis for your claim.  You need to apologize and retract your drivel.    I don't seek... or want... your forgiveness or forgiveness from anyone in here.  I bear NO ONE in here any ill will, but I don't give one fuck what you, or anyone else here, think about me.

Question:  Why is a review deemed negative when it is objective and provides useful information to fellow hobbyists?  Negative for whom? A piss-poor provider?  And why is this such a big deal for the WKs?  

Isn't that how the WKs do it?

There was a time when this board was a place women could post comments, flirt a bit, and have conversations that gave some insight into their personality. Did you think the board was a”snoozefest” then? It was a form of marketing for the ladies that I, at least, found very pleasant and useful. I could develop some idea about the woman I would meet before making an appointment. I liked it. And I believe the women who did it well got a benefit from their marketing.  

Then a group of men came along who were very clear about their position that this should be a board for men and women are not welcome. LYT was one of them. They went out of their way to challenge any statement made by any woman. They made it impossible for women to come to this board and simply be pleasant. They are the ones who set out to control this board and LYT was an active participant. Any time anyone tried to push back against the harassment their refrain was “Oh they’re censoring me!” “Oh, they’re trying to control the board.” It got so bad that TER banned some of them and took away posting privileges for a time from others, including LYT.  

You say providers don’t need or want “saving” and I’m sure that’s true. You say they’ll come here and speak their mind if they feel slighted and I doubt it. Why should they? It’s hardly good marketing to sound aggressive and hostile, and any woman who disagrees with LYT will very quickly find herself in an aggressive and hostile conversation. He is dismissive and demeaning. His rants are unpleasant to read and are certainly unpleasant for the one against whom they are directed.  

The attacks against LYT that you chastise didn’t come out of the blue. They came from men who are sickened by LYT's efforts to  make this a board from which smart women stay away because no good can come of participating. That is not white knightery, no matter how freely LYT tosses the term around. It is long time members of the board who are fed up with the harassment, tired of the board being essentially a wasteland, and want the board to return to the pleasant place it once was.  

Unfortunately, it’s a losing proposition to go after LYT because he likes the conflict, likes the unpleasantness. He is happy when attacked since it gives him a perfect excuse to start another rant. Pandering to him is not going to change anything, either. He has an agenda and pretending he is interesting is not going to change that agenda in any way. Ignoring him might work after a while. He might get bored if he couldn’t get anyone to engage with him. But this is the internet so it ain’t likely to happen. Best hope is he’ll keep ramping things up until TER steps in once again. Until then, no doubt you’ll continue to find the board "interesting."

It was fun. I like the ladies the same as you do.  

You are one of a very few posters i honestly respect and who make me think and can disagree with people, including me,  in a calm, rational way.  

I do not like the attacks.....and that means attacks from both sides.  

... to tolerate stalking and repeated harassment and attacks of members of online communities like this one.  But it's another thing entirely to praise and even encourage those who act that way.

Some people have short memories.  They don't remember the attacks that went on here for months, across thread after thread.  And not just attacks, but a concerted effort by multiple people to destroy the business, and more, of a local provider.  Plus attacks on other providers, and hobbyists.  

When people get fed up with others being attacked in this way, speaking out against it isn't being a "white knight" or "saving" someone.  It's just something that people in a community do for each other.  Some people, anyway.  

While these attacks were taking place, I admit the board was more "exciting" than it has been since.   Maybe I'm one of those "few weirdos" in Minnesota, but I don't get any pleasure out of that kind of excitement.  I come here for fun, for information, to interact with providers and fellow hobbyists, and hopefully to learn something.  Once in awhile I'm able to help someone who has a question, and sometimes I've been helped by someone kind enough to answer one of my questions.  If that's '"BORING" for some people, well, how about we all contribute  to make the board less boring, but in a civil way?

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either on the board or behind the scenes, which you know something about, don't you?

Both sides are complete fucking assholes.  That said, I would much rather have an asshole be an asshole on this public board where I can see it and know about it rather than in PM's, emails, and real-life stalking, where the evil and hatred is not always as clearly evident and sometimes not found out about until months or years after the fact.

Do not mistake my posts and thoughts as support of any behavior by any person.  Rather, it's the complete opposite.

I do not agree with much of what LYT has done or said but neither do I agree with the behavior of you and your group  
of buddies have displayed behind-the-scenes.  Shame on you for thinking that is better and more appropriate because it simply is not.

I am done with this.    Go ahead now...go and back channel what a clearly misinformed bitch I am.  

So much for your not liking attacks.  

I'm sorry that you seem to think I'm an evil person, full of hatred, and spend a lot of time stalking other people through back-channels.  If I tell you that's not at all the kind of person I am, I suspect you won't listen to me.  So all I can suggest is that you ask fellow providers, those who do know me well, if I am in fact this evil, hateful person you speak of, or not.

As for back-channeling, I have a hunch you do a lot more of that than I do.  

As for my "group of buddies", I have no idea what you're talking about.  There are some hobbyists whom I respect and with whom I enjoy public and private conversations, but I expect you also know people in this community with whom you enjoy conversations, is that right?

I do think you're misinformed on some things. I've tried to give you, privately, the facts behind what you seem to be so upset about.  You've chosen to disregard that information.  So be it.  I know what I've done and not done, and there's many people in this community who've actually met me, some of whom have known me for years, who know what kind of person I am.  

But if you're expecting me to feel shame for how I've behaved over the years in this community and even begin to equate my behavior to the people who routinely harass, attack, and stalk others here for the sheer purpose (and pleasure) of hurting them... sorry, that's not going to happen.

Let's just agree to disagree.  My opinion is not going to change and I am becoming bored with this.  
FYI, I only attack when I feel I am being attacked first.  Your hunches on the back channeling are just  
plain wrong.  I rarely speak to folks anymore.  I don't have time for it.  When the ladies hear from me,  
it's to pass on info regarding dangerous or potentially dangerous hobbyists.    

Have a super weekend!

you're wrong on so many counts.  Just because you think something or want it to be true and want others to believe the shit you spew doesn't make it true.  Show me where I was challenging everything women wrote. Liar. You do recall, don't you, that the love of the WKs was placed in time-out, right? But you failed to mention that. She outed herself, and by her admission, she was permanently banned from the P site.  So stop pretending like it's all me and a few guys.  And somehow a very few select WKs seem to get away with writing things no one else can. One of them has reviewed 3 Minn girls in 9 year, and his last review of a MN girl was over 3 years ago.  Yet he comes in here and calls me names and gets away with it.  And that was on one of these "Board in decline" posts.  I had actually replied agreeing with something another knight wrote, and he just had to come and attack me.   Yep...  you and your ilk are pretty selective with memory and what you want to post.  You've done a great job destroying the board.  Heck... a knight even admitted recently he didn't have the balls to write a negative review fearing reprisals of cold shoulder.  Pathetic.  Go ahead and continue the oral diarrhea.  I honestly find it amusing.  

"Any {one} who disagrees with LYT will very quickly find {them}self in an aggressive and hostile conversation. He is dismissive and demeaning. His rants are unpleasant to read and are certainly unpleasant for the one against whom they are directed."

But you have nothing to do with turning this board into a wasteland. Sure.

Maybe the  the castrated reviewer was really afraid  that his whitelists , would be requested to be removed.  Who remembers that little fact and history anyone , anyone.

Yep....  I sure do....  and it was the knighthood

and broader community.  And maybe you want to get your facts in order before you spew your garbage.  Look at what I've written and to whom and under what circumstances.  You trash me or spew lies, distort the truth, and spread misinformation?  I'll set the record straight.  And that's the problem you and other little wee-wees have.  You just can't stand the fact that after years of reigning the board a couple of other guys and I and had enough and stood up for what's right.  Now, please explain to me (to the entire board, actually), what have I written here or in the other posts that you find so offensive?  You can't point to a thing.  You just have your broad talking point:  LYT bad!  How sad.  How pathetic.  

“LYT … likes the conflict, likes the unpleasantness. He is happy when attacked since it gives him a perfect excuse to start another rant.”  

Belinda expressed an opinion. I disagreed and shared my thoughts. We had a conversation. If you hear the voice of the whole board in my comments, that’s on you.  

Explain to you? What a waste of time. You want an excuse to rant some more and bring up more irrelevancies like a newspaper article from 10 months ago, or some comment some other guy made about some review. I won't be your enabler.

You’re like a dog barking in the night, hoping other dogs will bark back. Bad LYT! Down boy! Hush!

Your conversation with Belinda is public...  there for the world to read.  No, tiny, I am not looking for any reason to attack, and I am not looking to dig up old shit.  But it seems that's exactly what you and the knighthood do.  It was not I who first referenced outing a provider or mentioned the "timeouts" from months ago.  Go back and read the threads.  It was others who raise those topics.  And when they do, I will set the record straight.  You see, that is part of the problem.  People like you want to rule the board.  You speak in generalities and try to re-write history and think you can write anything without retribution.  If I am a dog barking in the night, I am barking to warn others of trolls and miscreants like you and the knighthood.  How interesting you and a couple other knights use similar terms.  Wonder how many logins are for one person?  Hmmmmm....  

“LYT … likes the conflict, likes the unpleasantness. He is happy when attacked since it gives him a perfect excuse to start another rant.”  

Also “Oh they’re censoring me!” “Oh, they’re trying to control the board.”

You keep making my points. Over and over again.

seems you cannot keep from writing your drivel...  and your comments and words are just like a knight who uses a different name here...  think I've got you figured out. Ba da boom! (You know I know...)   Nowhere in my previous post did I even mention censorship, yet you keep writing and recycling your boring drivel.  Have you no original thoughts?  Nothing other than same same shit on another day?  Still can only talk about shit from long ago?  

Minn4ever,
What is irrelevant to you may not be irrelevant to someone else.

I think we can all agree,  we all want the same thing. We want a safe and secure hobby environment.  I do not feel we have that when folks are doing news articles and appearing in local and national publications. Or, when they won't speak the truth when asked a question but instead let gossip and heresay spread like wildfire.  

Speaking for myself, when i feel someone is being less than truthful about things I need to know in order to stay safe,  i become defensive and angry and feel that person is hurting the hobby community and taking away from the way i feel and experience the hobby. Once that happens, everything he or she says is questioned.

Am I guilty of gossipping? Yes. I have participated in that behavior in the past. I am human and make mistakes but i am trying to do better and be better.  I just wish the people involved would do the same but thats not what is happening, IMO.

Lyt and others are brash and in your face but peel away all the shitty layers and sometimes, the message is a good one.

I think you're confusing "brash and in your face" with abusive and bullying.  And I have to be honest, I have no clue what LYT's message is.  I know he hates White Knights, but it seems that White Knights include everyone in the world who doesn't agree with him. That might be the message.  Other than that, I'm not sure.  

And I really don't care about the drama that went on and the gossip and the back-channel bullshit. I'm tired of seeing this board get dominated by a vocal minority who can't stand to see any thread not be about them and their namecalling, bullying, bullshit agenda.

Hardly abusive or bullying.  Show me examples.  In your face? Yes.  I just don't take the shit you and a few others spew.  That's all.  And as far as WKs?  You're dead wrong again.  There is a handful (about 4-6) that are sure-bets to chime in.  Other than that, nope...  just because someone disagrees with me does not make them a WK.  In fact, I have a number of guys whom I swap PMs with in here as well as some who swap emails outside here.  So just because I butt heads with 4-6 specific guys hardly means I think you're all WKs.  And if you bother to be honest (which is a problem for your kind) you'd see, and acknowledge, that there are times when I write a post AGREEING with a WK.  So, you see?  It is I who is fair and tolerant and they who are not.  But your selective recall serves your talking points well.  Now tell us, Lucas...  what, exactly, is bullying, abusive, or insulting about what I've written?

You say you don’t like personal attacks. If you look back through this thread, you will find I never called LYT any names. I described his conduct in unflattering terms, and those unflattering terms have been borne out in this thread, but I never called him names. In the course of three posts he has called me a liar several times, pathetic twice, and oh yeah, a “little wee-wee.” It’s true my dick is not porn star quality. I’m not ashamed. But how on earth is that relevant to anything? And how on earth can he claim to know? And this is a thread where he has tried to be good so he could brag about how non-abusive he is.  

I understand that something happened that caused you pain. I was not involved, don’t know, and don’t need to know. Maybe LYT did you a good turn and you are grateful. Maybe he is trashing the people you believe did you wrong. It just doesn’t matter. You and I disagree about how many layers of shit are worth digging through. I think LYT is bad for this board.

I think YOU are bad for this board.  You do understand the definition of liar, don't you?  Well, when someone comes in here and writes lies, I will call them on it.  And a person who tells lies is called a liar.  It's that simple.  Just because you want something to be a certain way or think things are a certain way does not make them so.  Facts are facts.  I have asked you a few times to back up your pathetic claims, but you can't.  And did calling you a wee-wee really hurt your feelings, cupcake?  I wonder who changes the diapers in your house. Good grief!  But you referring to me as a dog are quite alright, right?  No hypocrisy there.
Regarding Belinda.  There you go again.  Just plastering your uneducated guesses out there for all to read.  As if your speculation somehow means that's the way things  are.  Well....  bad news for you.  Once again, you have demonstrated just how pathetic you are.  I do not know Belinda.  I have never met her.  And I have not even bothered to look her up on TER.  She could be sitting next to me, and I wouldn't have a clue who she is.  You're really good at speculating on the board.  Problem is that you're wrong with all your guess when it comes to me.   I have absolutely no fricking idea what you are referring to regarding her being hurt and me attacking people I think perpetrated that.  Are you a fiction writer or something?  Because I have literally no clue what the hell you're referring to.  How pathetic.  So how about this, cupcake: next time you think I am doing something on behalf of a woman, and you really don't have a clue (like now), how about growing a pair and directing your words to me?  Hell, you can even PM me.  I promise I'll be gentle.