Casey,
I take my confirmed appointments seriously. Only an emergency will stop me from getting there. I'm usually honest when I try to make appointments with providers. I let them know I'm calling/emailing around to see who can accommodate my schedule. Whoever is first, I commit to it and I email/call all the other providers that I'm no longer available. I've made all my confirmed appointments so far. Casey, I know it's frustrating but it's just part of the business. An easy way to get rid of these flakes is to just blacklist them if they make it a habit to cancel on you. It wastes your time/$ if you have to drive to the hotel and rent a room etc....only to find out that there is a last minute cancellation.-- Modified on 5/19/2013 3:06:30 PM
Just a question for all of you.
Ladies: About how often does a gentleman cancel an appointment on you with less than 24, 12, 8 hrs (whatever) notice?
What percentage of appointments get cancelled? 1/3? 1/4? Is there a "normal" amount would you say? Do you have a cancellation policy? If you were to make one, what kind would you make?
Gentlemen: How seriously do you treat an appointment? Is it looked at as a totally 'if i feel like it' type thing when the day comes, even if you've been scheduled and put on someone's calendar? Or do you treat it as an actual commitment? How often, would you say, do you cancel on a lady? (can follow same format as above: "On average, I'd say every 1/5 dates I cancel" etc.)
I ask this because I seem to get a staggering amount of cancellations, most with very short notice
And I don't understand it. Could it be something I am doing to encourage it? But maybe this is just normal in this business? Either way it fucking sucks and is making me want to tear my hair out, which would probably be even worse for business cause then I'd be even more hideous. ~
Thanks for the input, friends ![]()
Casey: Sorry to hear about your cancellations as they most definitely suck. I treat an appointment as a commitment and have never cancelled once in ten years. However, ladies have cancelled on me probably 1/10 dates generally for good reasons such as a bad cold which I can understand. I do like to confirm by text or email the morning of the appointment just to make sure we are on the same page. Casey I would love to meet you soon so please no hair tearing.
Its too bad that you are getting cancelled, and not getting the income. But, that is a common part of being in a "sales" business. All sales people, whether selling cars, suits, or sex get no shows, and often without even so much as a phone call.
It is very rude and, certainly, disappointing. But, it happens in every business, and sales people, even women selling intimacy, have to get used to it.
I have never cancelled on an appointment. And, I am not sure how an excort would handle/collect a cancellation fee. If a guy isn't going to show up for his session, do you think he will drive over and hand over some cash because he cancelled? I suppose some would, but the majority wouldn't.
It might be less stressful to think about the next gentleman who is going to show up, rather than seething about the last jerk who didn't
Casey,
I take my confirmed appointments seriously. Only an emergency will stop me from getting there.
I'm usually honest when I try to make appointments with providers. I let them know I'm calling/emailing around to see who can accommodate my schedule. Whoever is first, I commit to it and I email/call all the other providers that I'm no longer available.
I've made all my confirmed appointments so far.
Casey, I know it's frustrating but it's just part of the business. An easy way to get rid of these flakes is to just blacklist them if they make it a habit to cancel on you. It wastes your time/$ if you have to drive to the hotel and rent a room etc....only to find out that there is a last minute cancellation.
-- Modified on 5/19/2013 3:06:30 PM
Casey
That's a bummer that you get cancelled on that often. In all my time hobbying, I have cancelled three times. I still remember the circumstances because I felt bad doing it. Two of the cancellations were with providers that I've seen regularly. So they knew it was not something I do often.
I tend to hold off and book more last minute appointments only because I do take a commitment seriously. I don't schedule unless I'm serious. Unfortunately, that means a providers availablility fills up. That sucks for me.
So I guess the message is, some of us take it seriously.
-- Modified on 5/19/2013 3:31:59 PM
I've canceled once in 2yrs and that was 12 hours after set-up and 36 hours before appt time. The communication lacked and was different from anything I've seen so far. I mean the only thing I received was, ok I can see you then, phone# and city no other info or instruction. When pressed for more I got the are you new responce. I figured It was going to be to much of a hassel and decided to cut the cord.
Having spoken to Casey recently, I can say that the amount of cancellations she's getting are FAR above and beyond what I would consider to be a normal cost of doing business. I'm fairly UTR these days, but in the years that I worked more or less full-time, I probably got one cancellation for every 10 appointments? Every 15? Obviously things come up and life gets in the way of fun--I get that. But if a provider is having every third or fourth date cancel on her, it can get really frustrating really quickly.
I wonder how much of it has to do with marketing. To make a sweeping generalization based only on my observations, I think that clients have a certain idea in their head about "Backpage girls," and treat them with significantly less respect than the providers who advertise only on Eros or P411. I'm not saying this is OK. It doesn't matter if you're hiring a streetwalker or a $500/hour porn star; both have bills to pay, both are relying on you for their income, and both get screwed when you commit to a date and then back out because Lil Junior just ain't feeling it that day. That said, though, it's easier and faster to change your marketing strategy to garner more respect than it is to change the mindset of an entire subset of consumers.
So... raise those rates, institute a fair but firm cancellation policy, consider reworking your ad copy and website, and I think (I hope!) you'll see an improvement.
And a pro tip for the flakes: crying wolf is some shitty karma.
i advertise on bp also,,,,,,, and i treat all my clients with respect. and it is returned.....
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I wonder how much of it has to do with marketing. To make a sweeping generalization based only on my observations, I think that clients have a certain idea in their head about "Backpage girls," and treat them with significantly less respect than the providers who advertise only on Eros or P411. I'm not saying this is OK. It doesn't matter if you're hiring a streetwalker or a $500/hour porn star; both have bills to pay, both are relying on you for their income, and both get screwed when you commit to a date and then back out because Lil Junior just ain't feeling it that day. That said, though, it's easier and faster to change your marketing strategy to garner more respect than it is to change the mindset of an entire subset of consumers.
So... raise those rates, institute a fair but firm cancellation policy, consider reworking your ad copy and website, and I think (I hope!) you'll see an improvement.
And a pro tip for the flakes: crying wolf is some shitty karma.
I would have to agree with what others have said, I take scheduled appointments seriously and only an emergency would prevent me from honoring said appointment.
I would also agree with Remy in that Karma can come back to “bite” you if you’re not careful. I’m not sure if an increase in rates is the answer though. I think you have to give careful consideration to what type of increase, if any, the “market” will support, but it is ultimately your decision. I do think it’s a good idea to have a cancelation policy. At the end of the day everyone’s time is valuable and we ALL need to respect and understand that.
Just my $.08…….
Be safe!
Buc
I've never cancelled an appointment. Setting something up takes a lot of planning and schedule-arranging on my end, so when the ball gets going, cancelling is not part of the equation.
bzb
i have had to cancel once..i have been cancelled on many times..being sick or a change in a touring schedule always mess things up..i try to give the lady at least 72 hours notice..anything 24 hours or less is not acceptable..you are new to the game..being frustrated is normal..once you have been around awhile..it just becomes a part of doing business..you will soon have two lists..winners and losers..unfortunately there are a lot of the latter in this hobby..
Screening may have something to do with it. If you're booking with hobbyists who have good referrals and who have a reasonable history of reviews, then you're probably not going to see a lot of cancelations. If you're getting appointments from guys with little or no history, or thin references, then the likelihood of cancellations is higher.
big time, but its life and its all apart of the business.
"things come up, or shit does happen"
as a provider though it stinks, because you get all excited and glad things
are rolling smoothly then BAM. ------- i am going to have to reschedule.
there are still a few good men out here ladies, some do reschedule and see you
the next day or following week.
it is discouraging .... but hey, what do ya do.
hopefully things will pick up soon.
dont lose faith, were good girls, well be just fine.
have a wonderful week ladies.
karley
Your hilarious cancellation line Alasti was: "you got called into the 'office' for an emergency"
Not very original and a total fucking lie.....What's the % of people that believe the bullshit you shell out?
I doubt there was an emergency or an office that you "work" at for an emergency to take place at!
HH
Casey, you are such a sweet and wonderful person. If they new what they were missing they would never cancel!!! I've been in sales for over 30 years, your going to have to learner not to take personally. It's a numbers game. I would agree with a comment made above that if you see persons that have a long history of reviews is less likely that you'll have a cancellation. Casey, I do feel bad that this is happening to you. You're such a wonderful person!!!
I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I canceled an appointment and that was always due to something out of my control such as illness, injury, or some unexpected problem happening. I always let the lady know as soon as I knew I would not be able to make it. Casey, unfortunately you have been attracting a higher than normal number of poor clients, which is completely undeserved; the time I saw you everything on your end was handled very nicely from my initial contact to the time I walked out the door. Hopefully you can develop a better client base as you get more regulars
I am one of the lowlifes that cancelled my appointment on sunday. I was flat on my back with bronchitis I think most of my many whitelisted referrals would tell you I am and have been very reliable over the last 15 years I have canceled once due to sickness, once due to family death, once due to a car accident.In each case I attempted or rescheduled with the same provider. I think any business that works by appointments will result in some cancellations. I apologized and made an offer for another appointment yet she is still angry with me.I guess that is her right.just my two cents .By the way I have also had to cancel business appointments on monday and tuesday and miss a family oblgation. life sucks sometimes
Aww! You are sweet, thorsdad and I would personally thank you for not visiting and passing on your illness! And yes, you are reliable.
backpage does not define us, its just another outlet to advertisment.
i have worked on there for many many years.
and have met some pretty cool guys off there, that screen
just like the ones on ter, eros, p411, and city vibe. (not all will, but most)
and that is my choice to ok it or not.
now...... yes indeed you may get a ton of calls that are cheap but
there are a good amount that are just as good as any other website.
i hate the bashing on bp..... i would love to eventually
get off there, but it works just fine for me, esp as slow as it has been...
I noticed that you only seem to work on the weekend, and when you advertise it appears that you start setting up your appointments well in advance.
I think weekend only scheduling may be part of the problem. If you schedule many days in advance that is just more time for something to come up with your client. Seeing guys during the weekend might be more problematic for keeping their meetings discrete/secret from family and friends than during a weekday afternoon. I know I personally couldn't do weekends at all under most circumstances and I'm probably not alone (which is too bad because you look smoking hot and I'd love to meet you!).
If you have other commitments during the normal work week my advise would be not to schedule too far in advance. Run your add on the Ad Board on Fridays for Saturday bookings and run an add on Saturday to book for Sunday.
Hope that helps
I'm fairly new to the hobby, but I treat appointments as a commitment. I haven't canceled one yet, and won't unless there's a major unforeseen problem (illness, accident, etc). From my perspective it's just the best way to operate.
I was a little surprised when I recently made an appointment with a provider about ten days in advance, and she asked me 36 hours before we were to meet if I still wanted to meet. It sounded like she may have experienced some of the same problems, and especially so with people setting things up further in advance. I hope that's not widespread, as I prefer to schedule well ahead of time and want providers to know that once I set an appointment it is a commitment
for me its been the opposite as i only go with outcalls and in my case i only see about 10 providers in a year. also as on now and that will change i'm not a member of 411 or date check and my references are thin so i think they believe i'm le or worse
the same people who respect your time and appointment commitments are the same people who will respect everything else. this reminds me of the rental pussy comment from weeks ago. some people respect you as a person and some do not. I have only needed to cancel once in three years. I assured the lady that I would reschedule and offer something extra to make up for her loss. On the other hand I have experienced many, many times when the appointment is well established and calls go unanswered or you show up and it is NCNS. it is mostly first meetings but it is frustrating. Time from you schedule is lost income, it is the same for us. When I take time away from gainful work to see a lady who does not show or call it cost me. Some ladies are famous for NCNS. #1 has to be the artist formally known as &. Others have never left me outside the door. I will give a second try. Fool me twice. time to move on.
And I was still able to give the gal more than 24 hours notice.
Wow! I didn't expect so much of a response from this thread. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for your thoughts. Most have been very insightful, and I appreciate those of you who want to help me out.
I will point out though, that this thread is somewhat self selecting and therefore may be skewed. Reading it, one would get the impression that cancellations are very rare. However.. the only gentlemen who respond to this are obviously going to be the ones who don't cancel. I mean, what guy is going to come out on this board and be like "haha, I cancel all the time on these dumb providers!" Not many. At least, not if they want to be seen by said "dumb providers"
It's also possible that the lovely guys here on TER cancel less than those who don't read these boards, since they may understand etiquette in the hobby better.
Anyway, it is obvious I am doing something wrong to get one out of every three people cancelling on me. It might be the screening process, my advertising, my personality.. I don't know what it is, but it's something. I'll let you all know if I figure it out and see some improvement. For now I am taking Remy's (and others) advice and stopping my half hour appointments. I'm not going to raise my rate, though maybe I will in the future (who knows what the future may hold!)
Thanks again all!
Consider keeping the half hour appointment for friends you have seen before. Those of us who know you might well take advantage of it!
I'll second what Ranick said regarding weekend only appointments. If it's the way you need to do business then you may have to put up with the higher number of cancellations.
I haven't quite figured out the "raising rates" advice yet. Maybe it's self-serving to suggest your competition raise their rates.
second that weekends are problematic for us married folk. We may have window of time on Wednesday when we book and have the window slam shut because of some last minute obligation as weekends tend to be less structured. "Excuse me from the neighborhood picnic/boat trip/Twins game.... We were just invited to. I have to go have sex with someone you don't know..."
I would interrogate the client about the likelihood of canceling at time of appt setting. "how firm are you?"so to spea
There is a provider (not minnesota) that rates as one of my all time favorites. She declines to see me anymore due to my having to cancel twice. The first instance, I was heading her way for a business conference and I cancelled three (3) weeks in advance of our appointment. In the second instance, I cancelled only 24 hours in advance due to a medical issue. I actually called her to cancel from the ambulance on my way to the hospital.
I agree last minute cancelations suck, but the earlier post regarding screening is a good observation and you need to consider whether the reason for the cancelation is legit or if the hobbyist is simply a flake.
I think the worst thing you could do is "stew" over the cancelations. Look at way of reducing them, but don't let them affect your attitude. It is an unfortunate part of your business, but avoid letting the bastards get you down.