i have heard from several providers that have stated that guys staying longer than the agreed upon time is becoming an issue.  If it is the providers responsibility how does she bring it up without offending the hobbyist?  IMO if you want more than an hour than you should ask for more than an hour before the session and not overstay your welcome.   We need to be respectful of each others time.
I really want opinions from providers and hobbyists.  I'm hoping for a good discussion to improve our hobby for all.

From what I have heard, this has always been a problem with some guys.  I would think most guys would get the hint if the escorts gets up and starts getting dressed or whatever else she needs to do for what is next on her schedule.  If that doesn't work, then saying something along the lines of "well I need get ready for my next appointment" or some other statement that clearly says she's got something else to do now should do the trick.  If not, then I guess she tells him flat out he needs to leave.

Being relatively new to the hobby (six-plus months now), I've usually been paranoid about overstaying my welcome, so I've tended to end the sessions early--15-20 minutes early sometimes.  More recently, if it's been an outcall in my hotel room, I'm made sure there's a clock prominently displayed by the pillows, so that both of us can see it clearly.  This has worked well for me, and I've been able to get closer to the full hour (or two hours).

to get out on time. There have been several occasions that I was invited to stay a little longer, but for a hobbyist to invite themselves is out of line.
The last time it happened, she said she had no other appointments and was in no hurry.

I do expect the full hour though.

STARTING our time together ON time is also an issue for some people.  I am completely all about the "full amount of time" and if someone leaves "early" (very very rare!)it's because they want or need to and not because I'm pushing them out the door. When it is time to go, I do my best to be pleasant.  People who significantly abuse and overstay their time do not find me bending over backwards to meet them again.

Like most other people, in the hobby or not, I have other plans in my life, too!  So when I say I have time to get together for 90 minutes at 1pm, that pretty much means that I will be absolutely ready at 1pm and may really need to get going fairly close to 2:30, maybe to get somewhere by 3.  So now if my visitor shows up at 1:20 I do not feel bound to staying the extra 20 minutes IF I do not have the time.  If I do, I am often happy to do so...I really hate to rush!!!  Even if I do have the time to stay late, however, please appreciate that with at least a verbal "thank you" and don't overstay that as well.  Obviously on the almost-never occasion of my running late, I make up for that one way or another!

A related anecdote: Once I shared a doubles dinner date, and SHE arrived over an HOUR late at the restaurant!!  The gentlemen we were meeting obviously felt the clock started when both of us arrived, and I really could not disagree.  They are super nice guys, very fun to hang out with, but I was furious with her for turning my 4 hour plans into 5 hour plans with no apology whatsoever.  I also missed out completely on other plans I had made.  Her rate was higher than mine and she just took it and ran.  Wow, huh?  Water under the bridge now but another illustration of how starting on time is expected!

One more thought:  First dates are always tricky.... as we are getting to know one another, there is no excellent way to instantly know your thoughts or desires for what we should do while together.  Talk a while first, or later?  Or never say a word and let our actions speak for themselves...repeatedly!  Men of certain ages TEND to have certain self-expectations...or limitations...but exceptions are NOT rare!  So for one friend 2 hours is for one round, and another anticipates 3, and this sometimes leads to running time close.  Communicate early in our date if you have multiple expectations so everything is good for both of us, please!

Like most others have said, it's not a pervasive problem. But if you are one that routinely shows up late (men and women!) or refuses to go at or close to the agreed upon time, then you can probably answer your own question as to why it's hard to set up a date!  If you are finding that you frequently are trying to start a second round on one our date with 5 minutes left of the hour with a new friend, MAYBE you want to consider letting her know up front that is what you want...or just schedule longer dates.

XO
Wendy

It's her business so she leads the way and sets the parameters. Most providers shouldn't have a problem shooing clients out the door diplomatically.

Personally I don't think I've ever had a problem with wanting to stick around after I've had my cup. If I was a two cup kind of guy it may be different.

I agree with ---its her business-- she set the time and the rate, RESPECT IT . But the provider should also give the guy his full time he paid for.. If he pops early and cant cum alive again, then some kind cuddling and conversation to fill the time would be great. Its a simple respect thing.

When I saw a provider in Las Vegas, she had one of those kitchen cooking timers with a loud ringer.  She wound it up and  set if for an hour.  I jokingly said "that's a bit businesslike".  She laughed and said "I get so into these sessions that I lose track of time and don't know when to stop".  And wow, did she ever get into the session.  I certainly lost track of time.  

http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=6232

Considering virtually every escort site says that compensation is for time and not activity... the perspective that time starts when the mattress squeaks is quite interesting!!

I do agree that time starts when you meet, whenever possible, as well with the fact that if someone IS running late and it will NOT be possible to meet for the full planned time, it is only courteous of the escort to let her caller know this up front before he arrives at the door, and allow for a reschedule if necessary.  I certainly hope that is how I explained it above, as well!  



I always learn something in these discussion!!!

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Wendy

great posts from the guys but it would be nice to hear from some of the providers.   I'm sure there is a fine line between being labeled as a "clock watcher" and a great gfe.   So, ladies what are some of the things you do to signal the end of a session that a hobbyist should recognize the time is up?  PLease list what works well for you so that your fellow providers could implement and for us men to get the message.        

for the guys that do overstay their welcome it should never exceed 5 minutes.   Don't ask to take a shower when the hour has already expired and don't take your time getting dressed.  Like it or not, they probably had a client before seeing you and/or will have another client after seeing you that they need to prepare for.  The last thing you want is to have them tell you they are not ready for your session because the last guy took his sweet old time leaving.

....it should be a team effort but if I had to pick then responsibility should lean more toward the hobbyist. Esp if it's a first meeting a sort of experienced hobbyists knows his body a lot better than i do (what he likes, how he interacts most of the time with a provider his first time meeting her, how many 'pops' or quality of them he likes to leave satisfied without feeling rushed, etc) so when he books with a provider he does it accordingly.  Some ladies have a good 'sense of time' and some use a playlist or both OR just wing it and count on the client to every now and then check the time himself.

I haven't had many try to over-stay there welcome but it happens once in a blue moon (a guy comes in for a half-hr appts and talks for a half hour and then wants to have fun for a half hour or comes for an hr and tries to stay 90 mins).  I have my ways of hinting our time is up or closing to an end but what I say depends on what's happening at the moment. 9 times out of 10 the guy who will get offended is the fellow with the intentions of abusing his time in the first place.  Sometimes it's not what's said but how it's said.

yes sometimes  a gentleman  might over stay his time  maybe your having such a good time you both lose track  time flys as they say....I figure it always works out in the end think of all those clients  that left too early for whatever  reason .....we never complain  or hear about those guys   that only spent half  the alloted time right ? So in the big  picture I think it all works out and honestly most are just as concerned  and considerate  and  aware of the time .....the trick  is not to book appointments too close together  My preference is  a couple of  hrs. between appointments to freshen up  and recgharge my libido......JMHO

I have never really had a problem with this issue.

I have had very few, intentionally over stay (in excess) & the occurrences of gents shortening their own time by far out weigh. As a rule, I don't see more than two gents in a given day either, so time isn't really too much of an issue for me. I, just like my guest, despise feeling rushed. I want to really relax & enjoy the time spent together & not be bothered with the worry of getting him out, & getting ready for the next one.

Because this is how I operate however, doesn't mean other ladies do, or should conform to my methods. I think it works best when a gent assumes the lady has other things to attend to after his scheduled time is up, & act accordingly. If the lady is ok with him staying a bit longer, she will let him know.

Additionally. In the event I do have something else going on (not necessarily another appt) I find getting up & going to the restroom, & offering a wash cloth, or the shower to clean up works well to politely lead to our "Goodbye" for the day.

It rarely seems clear when the "clock" starts (I don't need to run down the assorted scenarios), so it’s all the more difficult to be clear about when the time is up.

That aside, I appreciate hearing something simple like, “Just a few more minutes, Hun.”

Maybe there's a business idea here: A hobby chess clock! Any interested investors? Ha!

Unfortunately I'm not too good at Chess. Can we settle for Checkers?

And, she can do that without watching the clock.  I don't watch the clock now and most all guys have been gents and watched it for me!!   Once I get my static incall back, I am going to be implementing the following method.   I will have music set up on my laptop in varying lengths.  The playlist will be 35 min for a 30 minute date, 1 hr 10 min for a 1 hour date, 1 hr 45 min for a 1 1/2 hr date, etc.   I do not start the music until you call to announce you have arrived and once the music stops playing, time is up.   If I remember the last two selections on each playlist, I should have no problem finishing things up on time!!   I do not mind going 5-15 minutes over and those extra few minutes of playtime gives the guy time to come in from the parking lot, be greeted with a dfk and get things rolling on time.   The guy gets his full time and I don't have to stress about the clock.  Sometimes, I like to take my glasses off and I can't see a damn thing without them (including the clock) so this method will definately help me keep track of time!!!

In the end, it is up to the lady to set boundaries and it is up to the gentlemen to be respectful of those boundaries.  

Hugs, Belinda

At one time in my hobby career I never though of it that way.  Most providers were clock watchers and it never became an issue.  Then once there was this older provider I had met where it just went on endlessly and I just assumed, since I had already paid her, that she would end things when my time was up.  Damn, it was going on for almost two hours before she mentioned that it was getting late and I was embarassed by her comment that she felt bad that she was unable to satisfy me after so much time had passed.  I gave her a decent tip and after that incident I have tried to preempt that situation from happening again.  

I think its wrong to knowingly allow the time to extend beyond 5 or 10 minutes without taking some responsibility.  The way I look at it, some guys want their cake and eat it too.  They hate it when the provider is watching the clock and will rate her poorly if she's a clock watcher.  Yet, they also think its not their fault if the hour session turns into 90 minutes.  Some providers may consider that unfair and expect to be compensated.  Others will let it go and hope the guy turns into a regular.  And there is the occasional provider that expects it to go over and has figured it into her rate knowing it will score big points if not a nice tip as well.   I think most of the pros have a way to create an illusion of not clock watching.  The most common means is to have someone call about 5 minutes prior to the deadline.  I know of one provider at least that uses the alarm on her phone.  The client just assumes its a text message notification or something, and even appreciates the fact that she has ignored it, but it also gives her a way to say something like - thats my security just checking on me.  The guy should take that as a hint to wrap things up pretty soon.  

I think a lot of the guys who are hung about the clock watching are just using that as a red herring because what they really want is the extra time.  I tend to respect the time but there are generally clues as to when there really isn't a clock or when they the provider considers that its the client's responsibility to watch it.   The lady will say things overtly like - I don't watch the clock hun.  That does not mean you are getting an all-you-can-eat one price deal bucko.  That means you will get your full hour and not be rushed.  So if you are not sure, answer back with - ok hun but neither do I and I didn't bring enough for more than the hour.  She will say thats ok, we've got all the time you need, or she might say, thats ok but I need to leave to pick up my kids in an hour or so.  (or something like that to let you know you don't really have much more than the hour you booked.  There are those rare cases when you have popped the first time with only 15 minutes left and then as the hour is winding down, she says - want to go again?  You say, I would but I didn't bring enough for that hun.  She might say, its not a problem - I don't have any other appointments so I would rather get fucked again than lay around in this hotel room watching soaps.  Shit, I had one surprise the shit out of me once and suggest we go out to a strip club afterward, off the clock, then return to her room where she again fucked my brains out for another hour.  I had told her I has used up my cash with the lap dances but her response was - I just watched a lot of hot pussy and I need to be fucked so get your ass up to my room and your cock in my pussy.  (I guess she was bisexual, lol)  

Unfortunately, this dilemma is somewhat rare these days as most providers (the non-gfe types especially) are one-and-done types and will start getting dressed as soon as you pop once.  And if you haven't been able to do that within 45 minutes, they figure you never will and will start to apply various techniques to make it happen, generally by hand or mouth.  And if after an hour you still haven't popped, take the hint and bow out gracefully, get dressed and leave.  

By the way, one way to know you are dealing with a clock watcher from the start)especially those who are good at not being obvious) is to note the time on the hotel room alarm clock.  Many providers will set it 10 to 15 minutes fast as a way to ensure the time doesn't go over.  

Being a gentleman and respectful of a provider's time will pay dividends if you actually hit it off with a provider.  You can almost count on getting special treatment if you become a regular.  Providers aren't much different than other woman.  They like nice guys and will treat them accordingly.

I think this is a very good point.  She has more control of her time if its an outcall.  

Regarding your points regarding when a client is late.  Most providers will still allow the full time based on when he actually arrives, or if there is a conflict because of other plans afterward will advise the gent up front that he does not have the full amount of time.  It gives him the option to reschedule. Most will proceed because the little dick is doing the thinking at that point anyway, lol.    Lateness happens on both sides and neither party should be penalized for it if handled professionally.

You also raise an interesting point on when does the clock start.  Clearly, if the lady has caused any delays, it should start when both parties have actually met and the fun can commence.  There are many gray areas however.  What about that first time meeting.  Many providers, and clients as well,  like to spend a good amount of time chatting to get comfortable.  Some providers even insist on at least a 90 minute session the first time to allow for it, and thus also be compensated for that time.  Others allow extra time off the clock and consider it a business expense for initiating a new client, and hopefully garner his continued patronage.  In those cases, the client is advised when bedroom activity starts that he should not worry about that time and that he still has his full time.  Its very important that the provider does not leave things to assumptions in these cases and also makes it clear as to her policy on this.  

First - the wealth of good and interesting ideas.
Second - the lack on consensus.

I don't have an answer for converting good intentions into a relaxed way of dealing with the clock. The topic is ripe for misunderstanding, especially for a first visit.

My "vote" (let's assume the guy is NOT trying for free extra time) is that the provider should carry the greater burden. Put another way, I translated oleoneeye's excellent post as, "It's up to the her to lead and him to responsibly follow."

I do try to be aware of the time if it is an incall.  But it is easy to loose track.  I'm not offended if she says something about getting close to the end of our time.  

But if I have an outcall appointment, then I tend not to look at the clock.  

I agree with you.  If I'm late, I would expect to get a shorter time with the lady.  
But if the lady is running late, then I would expect her to offer a full hour (unless I agree to a shorter period).  

This only seems fair to me.

I have never felt that i have got the bums rush from a lady and always keep an eye on the clock if there is one present.  Many times while laying snuggling and talking I have said my time must be up and been told not to worry about it.  I would like to point out the action is over by then (I'm only human).  I think most ladies I see have no problem and are actuaaly interested in having a talk about many differnt subjects.  I have also been told they were enjoying our talk but had to get going.  Always been handled nicely, but I also can take a hint.  It's just common courtesy.

I think it is more of a concern when seeing a lady who wants to talk a great deal at the beginning of the appointment because it raises the concern that she is trying to avoid giving the full amount of service the guy is expecting.

There is more than one way to handle the situation and it can be a matter of how the styles of each escort and client mesh.

I would say start time is the time of appointment.  I try to be very conscience to end the act a little ahead of time because catching your breath and chatting is often nice.  Sometimes this seems to go on past allotted time or a shower is offered etc and I'll be out the door 15 minutes over. I have often wondered if this is a problem and the provider is just being polite or I am reading the situation right and it is no big deal.  Any thoughts?

I doubt she would offer you a shower if she was in a big hurry but it is a nice way to bring things to a conclusion; you shower, dress, say goodbye, and leave.

The primary reason in my opinion that escort sites state compensation is for time and not activity is for perceived legal reasons and generally has nothing to do with the issue of this thread.  I say perceived legal purposes because in reality that language in ads is never going to hold up as a defense against charges of prostitution anyway.

In did not intend to suggest that the clock starts strictly when, as you say, the mattress starts squeaking.  I am referring to those situations where the escort wishes to engage in some sort of extended get-to-know-each other chit chat.  I am not referring to the usual 5 or 10 minutes of idle chat that is typical.  I have had a few cases where the chit chat was way too drawn out (30 minutes or more), and also where she wanted to meet in the hotel bar for a cocktail prior to going to her room (she considered the time in the bar as part of the hour even though it was her requirement and not mine)

sometimes you just do not want it to end it can be that good and other times your doing the mental countdown  just  like in the real world I guess.....