Minnesota

CBJ vs BBBJ
jchan113 4 Reviews 2628 reads
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Why do some providers only offer cbj?
Is it disease? Fear of CIM? What?
I get that there may be some case-by-case reasons, but to be in profession and have a blanket policy seems odd.  

Doing some research before asking the question, I learned one of my Potentials does only cbj, so she is off the list. It's sad because she is really hot, but I want what I want.  

I ask out of curiosity, not criticism. Providers can operate anyway they choose. It's their business, so to speak.

jchan113 4 Reviews 1709 reads
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3 / 34

Ok. If it dumb, then tell me me why? There are numerous providers that offer bbbj, so I imagine your insult is cast at them as well?

Here is an article from the internet.

Syphilis is danger. The greater danger appears to be DATY, but that is not cbj.

So, I ask again....why cbj? Disease?

If it is a preference to avoid CIM, ok.  It is a simple question that does not require an insult to answer. If you you can't answer constructively, why answer?

jgoodman222 14 Reviews 1701 reads
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4 / 34

Because...

IT IS THEIR BODY AND THEY CAN MAKE WHATEVER CHOICE THEY WANT WITH IT.

Thus endth the lesson.

jchan113 4 Reviews 1370 reads
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5 / 34

I am all for them making a choice because it is their body. I am not trying to persuade anyone to change their policy. I just want their reasons. Read this with curiosity, not criticism.
The question remains, why do some offer cbj and others bbbj?

So far the answers have been predictable and obvious.  
There are hazards present in all lines of work and this happens to be a potential voluntary hazard, or not.
Unless clients are also engaging in the act as providers, I was hoping for some candid and informative provider feedback. Can we have some

AladinSane 999 reads
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6 / 34

it is interesting because there are so many different responses.  my message to the first author is this board in dominated by a few people who have assumed ownership.  It is like walking into a small town bar in MN if you have not been granted membership they will attack any thing you ask.  It makes them feel important.
  this question is fascinating mostly for this reason; the risk is obvious, we all understand that and the ladies absolute rite to offer what ever she wants to and decline what ever she wants is understood and accepted.  the under 90, IQ's will attack me anyway but for the rest of us...   Almost 100% of the top providers, the real pros who earn $300 to $1000 per hour do BB.  It is the low end $80 girls who refuse (decline).  So why to the top most experienced pro's do the higher risk option and the street walkers do not.  It may be that the low price customers are less clean and the high end guys are better??  If the attack monkey's will stand down I would love to hear from the ladies on both sides.

jchan113 4 Reviews 892 reads
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mschambers See my TER Reviews 1465 reads
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8 / 34

Most ladies who do CBJ are nervous of what you can catch from that type of contact and also don't enjoy the personal anxiety it causes to be sucking that many bare dicks without knowing where they've been. The pros of CBJ outweigh the cons. I have had many gents say there is only a slight difference. I see no one is really taking interest in this topic so I felt the need to reply.... but search through old threads again with a huge day span and different keywords and you'll find your answers..

jchan113 4 Reviews 1331 reads
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9 / 34

Thanks. I did a search and did not find similar topic. I know it is a personal decision.

truetobetold 1207 reads
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10 / 34

some are more health conscious while others are less...I really don't understand why a CBJ is a deal breakers for some

truetobetold 911 reads
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11 / 34

that's a dumb answer as being cleaned does not mean being disease free

TrinityLake See my TER Reviews 1661 reads
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12 / 34

I don't understand your attackers.  You just seem genuinely curious for the reasons.  I will speak only for myself.  Simply put, I don't trust anyone to not CIM, and it is a disease thing.  That being said, I have done my very best to eliminate the reason most men are against CBJ.  If you ever want to know what I mean by that, you'll have to just take your chances with a lowly CBJ girl ;)  Of course, you don't have to, because there are so many amazing women in the area that offer BBBJ, and there's no need to compromise what you desire!  

As for all the attacking... come on, please!

TrinityLake See my TER Reviews 1169 reads
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13 / 34

After seeing much of what men say on this board, I think very little is now sub-par.

turboted 2 Reviews 1013 reads
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14 / 34

Time-Period:  In what time-period will the legalization of sex work take place in the United States?

Taxes:  If sex workers had to fully report their incomes, wouldn't this lead to an increase in their rates in order to cover the mandated taxes?

Note:  A slight bit of Internet research indicates that authorities in Amsterdam have encountered huge issues with human trafficking and organized crime within their legalized prostitution industry.

Promotion:  In order to "promote the image of the hobby," is it prudent to deny certain realities (i.e., BBFS, BBBJ and child trafficking) that take place within its realm?

Benefits:  Outside of making a huge mistake (i.e., getting caught in a law enforcement sting), what are the benefits to any hobbyist for desiring the legalization of prostitution? For the vast majority of married gentlemen, the activity (even if it is legalized) will remain hidden. I doubt that many wives are willing to sanction their husband's adventures with a prostitute.

minn4evr 42 Reviews 784 reads
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15 / 34

Posted By: turboted
Time-Period:  In what time-period will the legalization of sex work take place in the United States?  
   
 Taxes:  If sex workers had to fully report their incomes, wouldn't this lead to an increase in their rates in order to cover the mandated taxes?  
   
 Note:  A slight bit of Internet research indicates that authorities in Amsterdam have encountered huge issues with human trafficking and organized crime within their legalized prostitution industry.  
   
 Promotion:  In order to "promote the image of the hobby," is it prudent to deny certain realities (i.e., BBFS, BBBJ and child trafficking) that take place within its realm?  
   
 Benefits:  Outside of making a huge mistake (i.e., getting caught in a law enforcement sting), what are the benefits to any hobbyist for desiring the legalization of prostitution? For the vast majority of married gentlemen, the activity (even if it is legalized) will remain hidden. I doubt that many wives are willing to sanction their husband's adventures with a prostitute.
Time period: No comment

Taxes: It is legal and taxed in Australia and rates are the same or lower as a rule.  So it appears the answer to your question is No.  

Note: There is crime in the liquor industry, too. But it is nothing like the amount or severity of criminal activity during prohibition. There is crime in the porn industry, but do you really think it is as bad as it was when porn was illegal?  

Promotion: The best argument for legalization is that it allows for separation between legal, regulated activities involving willing, consenting adults, and illegal, unregulated activities that vicitimize, like child trafficking. Right now, prostitution is lumped together with child trafficking whenever the press takes notice. It shouldn't be, and getting it legalized is the best way to accomplish that. Your suggestion that child trafficking is within the realm of the hobby we participate in is false, and is no way to "promote" the hobby.  

Benefits: It benefits the hobbyist to know that sex workers are mandated and have ready access to frequent testing to prevent spread of disease and weed out drug users. It benefits the hobbyist to know that there is not a criminal (pimp) behind the provider, taking her money and eager to victimize the hobbyist if an opportunity arises. It benefits the hobbyist to know that he will not find himself caught up in some other guy's huge mistake that resulted in the lady getting arrested and her computer being seized. It benefits the hobbyist to know that if he happens to have a medical emergency, the lady won't be worrying about repercussions from calling 911. The list goes on. And by the way, not all hobbyists are married.  

In an ideal world, legalizing sex work is the first step toward making it an integral and therapeutic part of marriage counselling. An enthusiastic and knowledgeable coach for both parties could go a long way to reinvigorate a waning sex life.

jchan113 4 Reviews 1222 reads
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16 / 34

I appreciate your reply because I had thought about seeing you until I read that you are cbj only. I respect your reasons.  

Thank you.

vorlon 119 Reviews 956 reads
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17 / 34

Aside from the immediate benefits of avoiding the direct legal consequences, people would also avoid the indirect consequences, which can easily be more severe, of having your hobby activities exposed to your family, friends, employer, etc.

vorlon 119 Reviews 1184 reads
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18 / 34

He asked for provider's perspectives on why some only offer CBJ.  Nothing wrong with trying to understand why some escorts do and others do not.  This is a discussion board after all.

-- Modified on 4/20/2013 11:59:58 PM

mngo4 740 reads
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19 / 34

From a simple question about CBJ or BBBJ to legalizing prostitution?  
Some of these threads really take a left turn sometimes. Although they are sort of related.

 
Posted By: breadmaker
You correctly note that providers get to choose what they choose and you in your first review describe a happy experience with a provider with a very limited menu. Go VIP and you can find what providers offer so you will not be disappointed.  
   
 It is below par for this board to ask about fear of disease with uncovered BJ.  
   
 In first world countries where sex work is legal, legalization is possible because the regulated trade is safer and thus more acceptable. Nevada, the Netherlands and Bavaria all mandate condoms for oral sex.  IMHO, this country will legalize sex work (if for no other reason than as part of a program to stamp out sex trafficking of minors and to tax the sex business. This recession has already seen expanded permits for unstrapped dances who pay strip club pole taxes in several strapped jurisdictions.  This board distances itself from BBFS and child trafficking. To promote the image of the hobby, personally, I think we should do the same for BBBJ.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 779 reads
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20 / 34

Posted By: AladinSane
... Almost 100% of the top providers, the real pros who earn $300 to $1000 per hour do BB.  It is the low end $80 girls who refuse (decline).  So why to the top most experienced pro's do the higher risk option and the street walkers do not. ...  
Your statement is not only ignorant, it's an insult to the ladies (no, NOT "street walkers") who BY THEIR CHOICE do not offer BBBJ to their clients.

As others have correctly and simply pointed out, there is no need for any woman to explain to anyone why she does not offer BBBJs.  That's irrelevant, when it comes down to it.  It's their choice, period--no explanation necessary, nor really useful to guys looking for BBBJs.  Just as there is no need for the OP to explain why he must have a BBBJ.  That's his prerogative.  And it's the woman's prerogative to do what she thinks is best, for her, and for her clients (yes, this is not just about looking out for oneself, based on discussions I've had with some ladies on this subject--they are concerned about the health and safety of their CLIENTS also).

I will add that guys who rule out a provider just because she doesn't offer a BBBJ are missing out on some great experiences with some wonderful ladies.  :-)

belindabell See my TER Reviews 1394 reads
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21 / 34

Why can't the reason be as simple as because it is our bodies?  There are many reasons why.

Here are a few:
1.  Disease
2.  Dirty stanky nasty penises.
3.  Cheesy substance under foreskin.
4.  Gag Reflexes (from the taste)
5.  BBBJ is reserved for a real life love relationship.
6. Cavities  

In case you didn't know, there are ways to prevent CIM even with  bbbj.

belindabell See my TER Reviews 801 reads
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22 / 34

the more likely the provider will have more on her menu.   When a provider has a more wide open menu, the more risks she is taking.    Anal, rimming and BBBJ have more health risks than a CBJ and no anal play.  In my open, these ladies who take those risks should receive more per hour than those, like myself, who do not.

This is not true in EVERY case, of course.

turboted 2 Reviews 855 reads
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23 / 34

The last statement regarding marriage counseling is quite ridiculous. The role you describe is fulfilled by a Certified Sex Therapist. I doubt there are any prostitutes presently engaged in this industry that have any of the educational credentials to to even pretend that they could fulfill the role of a genuine sex therapist or sex surrogate. Academic credentials are very important in the real (i.e., not hobby) world.

jchan113 4 Reviews 1204 reads
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24 / 34

Thank you for answering the question.
This is actually the type of 'against' list I was looking for.
I wish you the best (really!) and there is nothing wrong with your position because it is your body and business.

minn4evr 42 Reviews 752 reads
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25 / 34

Posted By: turboted
The last statement regarding marriage counseling is quite ridiculous. The role you describe is fulfilled by a Certified Sex Therapist. I doubt there are any prostitutes presently engaged in this industry that have any of the educational credentials to to even pretend that they could fulfill the role of a genuine sex therapist or sex surrogate. Academic credentials are very important in the real (i.e., not hobby) world.
You are trying for scornful, but what comes out is foolish.  

First, I have met providers with both bachelors and masters degrees, so your denigration of current providers is misplaced. If they don't have the credentials currently, they could certainly get them. And with or without credentials, I know several providers who manifestly possess the empathy and wisdom to be excellent sex therapists. Therapists who work under the supervision of a qualified psychotherapist can get by with less rigorous credentialing.  

Second, if the hobby were legal a larger and even more varied cross section would be drawn to it. Your first point, which I did not contest, was that legalization is not coming soon, so it's entirely inconsistent to limit the discussion to "prostitutes presently engaged in this industry."  

You asked why legalization would be desirable and I answered you. Trying to argue and cast scorn by changing the ground rules is dishonest.

Pollenbroker 24 Reviews 1291 reads
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26 / 34

This is a profession that involves physical intimacy.  Because of that, both providers and hobbyists draw certain boundaries.
The principal sex organ is the brain.  A provider's ability to create a gratifying experience mostly depends on her ability to stimulate you in the head.
I have had BBBJs that were as flat and dry as Death Valley.  
I have had CBJs that were sensuous and push-over-the-edge hot, hot as a firecracker --- check out Natalie Chambers or Trinity Lake if you want an idea.
Is a really hot CBJ as good as a really hot BBBJ?  Well, probably not, but I don't think it's fair to slice the salami that thin.....I've had extremely hot BBBJs followed by really lackluster FS, so the whole experience wasn't that great.  To look at the BJ in isolation is misleading.
Bottom line:  live in your head, not in your dick.

-- Modified on 4/21/2013 10:23:38 PM

turboted 2 Reviews 725 reads
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27 / 34

I decided not to engage you on many of your comments because you are a difficult character. You rarely concede anything. Thus, I was surprised when you basically agreed that the legalization of prostitution is not coming soon within the United States.

I had to contest your comments about the role of prostitutes within the difficult task of marriage counseling. I was not surprised when you stood by and amplified your comments.

You have recently been on this roll of championing the prostitutes you have experienced as "masters of the universe." In a recent post, you extolled their entrepreneurial abilities. In this post, you extoll their educational achievements.

I guess I can understand your tactics if you feel that this behavior earns you favor with the ladies. Isn't this what you alluded to in one of your recent reviews?

jchan113 4 Reviews 1184 reads
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28 / 34

As with all of us, to each his own. We are all fortunate to have such a great variety of excellent providers to choose from to satisfy the experience we seek.
In reality, I do not enjoy or seek FS from the hobby.
I only want 1 service done very well.
I seek providers that will do this well and that's it.
In fact, I am not into all the extras in that area, either.  

I appreciate everyone's answers to this "dumbest question".

minn4evr 42 Reviews 685 reads
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29 / 34

There you go, again. If you lose the argument, change the ground rules. It's not about the debate, it's about personalities.  

Your original proposition, that we will all be better off if the hobby remains an illegal shadow world, seemed to invite debate. I am unclear why you are so offended that you got one.  

It may be that you believe actual sex has no part to play in 'genuine sex therapy,' as you put it. That might even be a defensible position. But you didn't say that. You just cast scorn on the women currently engaged in the hobby.  

If you go back and read what I actually said, it has little to do with the manner in which you are trying to recast it. I did not originally declare that every woman who is currently active in the hobby would be a good therapist. But when you decided the proper response was to denigrate the whole class of providers (oops, I mean prostitutes), I thought it worth the time to show how foolish that is. Ever heard of The Love Goddess?

I give you this much credit. You profess your contempt for providers without hiding behind an alias, so any lady who reads this board knows what to expect if she agrees to see you.  
Posted By: turboted
I decided not to engage you on many of your comments because you are a difficult character. You rarely concede anything. Thus, I was surprised when you basically agreed that the legalization of prostitution is not coming soon within the United States.  
   
 I had to contest your comments about the role of prostitutes within the difficult task of marriage counseling. I was not surprised when you stood by and amplified your comments.  
   
 You have recently been on this roll of championing the prostitutes you have experienced as "masters of the universe." In a recent post, you extolled their entrepreneurial abilities. In this post, you extoll their educational achievements.  
   
 I guess I can understand your tactics if you feel that this behavior earns you favor with the ladies. Isn't this what you alluded to in one of your recent reviews?

dxg964 6 Reviews 1117 reads
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30 / 34

jchan....
if that is your nly reason for not seeing Trinity...go see her.  I was on the fence but took the plunge.  Words cant explain how she does this:)

my 2 cents

jchan113 4 Reviews 1165 reads
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31 / 34

Posted By: dxg964
jchan....  
 if that is your nly reason for not seeing Trinity...go see her.  I was on the fence but took the plunge.  Words cant explain how she does this:)  
   
 my 2 cents  
Oh, Ok.....Do you think she will have me.....?
I am willing to be Pursuaded because she is so sexy....If she can make Portia revv, then I think I may have to give myself to her. Will I be the same afterwards?

TrinityLake See my TER Reviews 1264 reads
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32 / 34

There are plenty of gents for every gal.  You simply want a BBBJ.  If that is the experience you're going for, then go for it!  If you are looking for way more than JUST that, you might want to consider opening yourself up to other possibilities.  

Trinity

fartsonhigher1 1055 reads
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33 / 34

"Why" need not be asked when "personal preference" is sufficient and the possible reasons for that are so common and obvious.  I don't understand why people are so curious in these situations. It just doesn't matter.

LuvWhitney See my TER Reviews 1418 reads
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34 / 34

Come see Trinity and I for a duo's experience.  
She makes me revv too!!! MMMMMMmmmmmmmm ... Don't believe me? Just ask her. LOL!

 
 Otherwise, yes, go see her solo! You'll never be the same! ;-)  

 
Xoxo,
Whitney Cohen

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