Lack of quality service for value received.
Poor attitude.
Not a "Rock my World" session.
Lack of engagement during the session.
Limited service menu.
Soap opera BS from some providers
Price.



Please add your own to the list

Fake tits



Poobah

They text message their mom in the middle of your session

Too many rules!

MDL,

I agree those are all reasons why I dont repeat.  I ought to know. I just had a BSE (Bad Sex Experience)

But how would you rank them in importance?

I would as follows:

Attitude ( Or Engagement during session )
Menu
Looks

Papastevie

-- Modified on 10/6/2005 10:51:19 AM

How about

....incall location not up to standards
....questionable hygiene
....nice girl but no chemistry
....to much notice needed (I don't know 2 days in advance when I will feel the urge)

It's so hard to really dig into the whole price/value thing without some providers taking offense and without it sounding like a price gripe.  I post this fully aware that some providers will put me on their black list today, I guess I can live with that.

Marketing, pricing, and customer expectations are issues I deal with all day every day.  And to me, it starts with one thought.  I want my customers to want to do business with me, not just when they have to... I actually want them to look forward to the next opportunity to do business with me.  So I make sure that every interaction they have with my company leaves them feeling that their business is wanted.

I've been in the hobby a long time, and there's only been a few times, maybe just 2 or 3, where I felt like a local provider was really trying to sink her hooks into me.  It is soooooo rare that a local provider has the attitude, from the first communication, through the meeting, that says "Omega, I really want your business, I want you to leave here today thinking about me, thinking about how you can't wait to see me again...  The next time you pick up the phone I want your body to involuntarily dial my number no matter who you intended to see...  How do I make that happen for you?"  And I've never once had a provider come out and ask me a question like this thread's topic, ask me what would make me want to come back and what will turn me off.  I've been asked those questions many times, but it's always been by travelers.

And let me provide a perfect example.  I see two providers on two different days, same price, similar menus...  As things heat up, I get to that decision point where I say "we either have to pick up the pace for two pops, or slow done if it's one pop."

Provider A says, "I usually only do one, but we'll see how the time goes."  Provider B says "Buddy, you just opened a big ol' can of whoop-ass, I'm gonna be chasing your ass around this room for the next hour demanding all the pops you have in you."

Who do you think I'll go see next time?  There's no qustion that Provider A is well within her rights to saet whatever policies and limits she chooses.  But the fact is that I'm going to repeat with B and I'm not going to repeat with A.  It's that simple.  Provider A sees her primary job as protecting herself against having her schedule taken for granted by a hobbyist.  Provider B sees her primary job as encouraging repeat business.

As for all the local issues...

There are just so many, hard to know where to start.  The rampant no-call no-show problem here in the twin cities is NOT limited to the girls in the TCU line ads...  It's happening a lot with some of the best known locals, and I'm telling you, that makes guys like me refocus more of our spending on travelers.  The infighting back in 2001-2002 that made it so hard to get references...  The shear amount of data about guys kept and shared in the provider back-channel...  The TER vs. TBD provider clique polarization...  The almost overnight price explosion from 200 to 300 a few years back, and the creep to over 300 today...  The difficulty in getting calls or e-mails returned at all, let alone timely...  The recent rumors about providers cooperating in LE stings...

These things all conspire to tell me that my business is not wanted here.  It's no one provider in specific, it's the whole local scene, and sadly the baby gets thrown out with the bath water--some GREAT local providers get skipped over because I just feel like my business isn't wanted locally.  I'm a customer, and that's all I want, is to spend my time and money with providers that seem to be genuinely interested in my repeat business and have some modicum of repsect for how much money my donation really is.  As I said in a thread below, go to another city like Denver, and the difference is so palpable that it can't be overlooked.

And as if I haven't rambled on long enough (and in the process shot myself in the foot with EVERY local provider by now)...  Some thoughts on price/value.  In any business, you don't just use pricing to set the volume, or caliber of business you receive.  This is probably the most important thing I'll say in this whole post:

****** Price is the primary mechanism by which a provider sets the expectations that a hobbysit should have;  Price sets the height of the bar against which the provider expects her attitude and services to be judged. ******  This is the only reason why a Lexus costs thousands more than the identical Toyota.

At 150 it doesn't surprise me if a gal answers her phone during a session...  I don't like, it but it doesn't surprise me.  At 200-250, it's pretty  disappointing, and at 300-350, it's infuriating, and I'm never coming back.

At 150 I figure that it might be one-pop-and-your-gone, even if that's well under an hour.  At 200-250, I expect the whole hour to be put to good use.  At 300, I would hope that it's OK to run tad over if we're not quite at a breaking point when the hour's up, as long as it's obvious I'm not trying to stall or take advantage.  Above 300, I better be crawling toward the door trying to save myself.

At 150, I'm just lookin for some fun.  At 200-250 I expect very enthusiastic participation.  At 300, I really do expect a lot of intensity and a lot of emotional engagement from the provider.  Above 300, monkeys better fly outta my ass.

At 150, I expect that phone calls might not be returned, or that e-mails might take a few days.  At 250, I'm starting to expect calls back the same day, or e-mails the same day if the provider is in town.  At 300, I'm starting to expect calls back in an hour or two.  Above 300, I'm starting to expect that a carrier pigeon's gonna find me.

Pricing is all relative, and I think many of the gals that are at the 300-350 price range don't realize just how good the whole attitude and service level of some of the 200-250 providers is.

Well, I'm going into reclusion now and I won't be back out til I get my asbestos suit fitted just right because I know there's going to be some flames coming.

-- Modified on 1/21/2005 9:57:58 AM

very well said.....This is a perfect example

I agree with Omega and MDL's list is right on.  Especially the attitude.  I've seen a lot of providers who are not engaged or in a rush or just plain mean.  Before TER, I would see a provider maybe once every year and each time I'd say to myself "Man, no wonder I don't do this.  It's awful."  I'd feel ripped off or demeaned and swear to myself I'd never do it again.  TER is a big help.  I've found several locals who have fantastic personalities and great service.  Every once in a while, I like to try someone new, but most of the time I--even when it's somewhat fun--I wind up regretting it.  It makes me want to just stick to the few women that I know I can count on.

My proposal, however, is that we all renew our efforts to write good reviews and posts.  Let's be very specific and honest in our reviews.  I don't see any reason we can't write in a review--"Hey, the performance was awesome so I'm giving her a 9, but you should be prepared for a slightly chilly attitude"  or "I love how rough and straightforward she was, but if you're looking for a gentle gfe, she's not your type..." Etc Etc.  For the most part, the reviews are awesome and have been a great resource, but still I've found a few who didn't live up to expectations...  

And I don't mean for us to be cruel or overly critical (I wouldn't want the ladies to think we are scrutinizing their every move)--I'm just saying honest and complete descriptions so we can find the providers with the service we are looking for (and I dare say we are all looking for slightly different things).

I have great respect for the providers who respect themselves and who respect their clients.  There are wonderful women out there, and we can help each other find them.

Omega, you totally slay me!  I just wish you were FEMALE and a hot local provider.  The image of monkeys flying outta your ass put me on the floor LMAO!  Then the carrier pigeons put me into near cardiac arrest!  Well said!!!!  I hope the ladies see your true intent and do not feel threatened or offended.  It's just the way it is and I couldn't agree more.

OZ

Very well put and said. Now to see if providers will take any of this to heart and make any adjustments.

This issue does not apply to everyone but, they should all take a step back an analyze their business process and figure out how to go from the "Customer" mentality to the "Client" mentality.

How many times have you been asked at the beginning of your session "What will rock your world?"  How many trips around the rack do you want?".  At the end of the session, have they asked you: "What could I have done to make the session better?"

The objective should be to try and "Rock their world" as best as you can do within your limits.

Yes, this was extremely long, but well thought out and presented, with nuances for the price issue. It is obvious that you are in tune with the principles of CRM.  As for me, I certainly don't think you need to be fitted with an asbestos suit, but we're on the same side of this business transaction. I know that I have to strive to "delight" my clients, not merely satisfy them.

-- Modified on 10/6/2005 1:00:28 PM

"Above 300, monkeys better fly outta my ass."

Now that's the session i've always been looking for!

I concur with the reasons listed.  In years past, I posted similarly, with a few additional reasons; for example, inconsiderate smoking habits.

I find the psychological angles behind us men posting these threads interesting.  What are the true motives?  Does misery simply love company?  Do we want to rationalize a drive for variety that can't be met without patronizing visitors?  Do we feel guilty about not supporting our local neighbors more?

I suspect it's some of the above, all of the above, none of the above, and more for different people. I personally do like a little provider variety, but I like an ongoing relationship even more, which is best cultured locally.  That's just me though, and I don't pretend to speak for anyone else.

While I feel comfortable sharing a few requests or beefs regarding service, local & non-local, I don't expect people to jump out of their skin trying to make me happy.  Some will, but most won't.  I can't change that.  I don't feel as comfortable trying to sledgehammer the same points over & over & over.

If The Force is with me, I'll encounter a few providers who are able to meet my needs.  When that happens, they get my repeat business. When it doesn't, they don't.

Sometimes, the stunning beauty of a visiting lady simply can not be ignored.  I'll admit to seeing a couple visiting ladies where the price point was high and the service level was not.  However, they were absolutely gorgeous & friendly, and I don't regret seeing them.  I wouldn't become an ongoing customer though, even if they were local.

Another poster in this thread acknowledged getting a little too involved with a provider.  This happens way more than it should.  Pretty Woman is a movie, not reality guys.  While not impossible, it's more than a longshot to think a provider really, truly wants to develop a LTR with a customer.  Men who think otherwise are kidding themselves.  I used to get ticked when I learned of providers milking these men, but it doesn't bother me any more.  The idiots asked for it.  Wake up and smell the coffee!

In closing, I would absolutely love it if more of our local beauties would take these suggestions to heart. I'm not holding my breath though.  I only hope I can continue to periodically find one or two who do.

Hoohah!

This is the biggest reasons why I try to provide the level of detail I do in my reviews so that anyone reading it will hopefully be able to get an accurate picture of what happened so they can decide if that is something they want.

Very well written.  I can't say that I disagree with anything you've written although I MAY be somewhat more forgiving of screwups.  Then again, maybe I'm just being too easy.  All I am looking for when I get in touch with a provider is to have a really good time.  I don't understand why it's seems to be so difficult so much of the time.  It's frustrating as hell!

P.S.  OK, I disagree with one thing.  I never want a monkey (much less more than one) coming out of my ass.  Even the thought of that hurts!

The provider's name is Sharon Needles and she does.

Girls are too hard core.  I like GFE experience.

They're not at all mutually exclusive.  For me the best meetings are the ones that are very huggy/kissy/roaming hands foreplay, and have the emotional engagement associated with GFE...  but have intense and erotic moments too.