I think every hobbist on here has experience upselling including myself. I never read a positive review with upselling. I will not sell a provider if upselling is involved ever. you can expect the same with providers in haggling.
So I know a lot of providers will say it's a bad taste to try to negotiate price but it is a business. I typically will respect what a provider says her rate is and I have a limit on what i will spend, which is why I typically don't see super high ad providers (although I might save up from one or two in particular).
To make a long story short about two weeks ago a pro on Twitter was offering a discount for that night. Unfortunately I wasn't available that particular night but I'm wondering if I it would be okay to ask her if she would still be open to a date for that particular nights rate. Thoughts.
If she was very clear about the discount (ex: her post said something like tonight only) then I would not ask. Otherwise, if it had only been a day or two, you could try asking if that discount was still available but you still run the risk she might get unhappy. Researching the provider may you give you insight into how she does things. Some make it very clear the rate is the rate and what it was at some point in the past doesn't matter anymore.
Have you previously seen said provider before? If you haven’t I would recommend that you didn’t go ask her for a discount. I hope in the future if she is offering that special you can take advantage.
Although my favorite saying is closed mouths don’t get fed. I find it in poor taste for a gentleman to ask for a discount if a special was one day only. This is the quickest way for you to make a ladies personal black list.
Would it in your humble opinion be OK for him to send an email saying.
“ I saw and missed your last special and if you offer it up again me know as would seriously love seeing you at that rate .”
You definitely have a pulse on the scene and respect your wisdom.
you must have more nerve than Carter's got Liver Pills lol! Although the question may seem innocent enough, I think it's imperative a client understands their audience/recipient and their relationship to the audience/recipient. Flip the role and imagine being the provider on the receiving end of the question. What they are going to interpret from that question is a complete 180 from what is probably intended. Again, what may very well have been an innocent question could easily be interpreted by a provider as "ahhh so he'll only see me at a discount" or something in the same vein.
Frankly, this is one of those situations where if I were a client, I'd hold my tongue, well my email, and cross my fingers they run another incentive and reach out then.
I will go into length on another response on this thread but how do you reconcile saying:
"Flip the role and imagine being the provider on the receiving end of the question, What they are going to interpret from that question is a complete 180 from what is probably intended" with be in a market with people who are searching for a service and want to be diligent in doing their research and not wanting to overpay?
I ask that merely because of the way you phrased it.
Are you saying providers should never have to "flip the role" to try to understand what the potential client is asking?
I am not defending the original poster, and I'm not trying to demean your responses in any way, I just think that may have been poor phrasing.
you've been fairly nitpicky lately but it is what it is.
I'm curious... where in my initial response did you read the words or glean from anywhere that implied "providers should never have to understand what the potential client is asking"? Second, my initial response made it clear that the question could very well be "innocent" but one has to understand their audience. A potential client is asking someone *AFTER* the special is over and adding to their note "if you offer it up again me know as would seriously love seeing you at that rate". Do you mean to tell me that you do not see how that could be wholly misinterpreted by receiver? The client is basically saying to the provider, "I'd like to see you at the discounted rate but I would not love to see you at your normal rate."
In an effort to not appear as some omnipotent source of wisdom, I asked a couple of providers how they would feel about being asked about a special after the fact and the results were what I think we all would imagine: not great. Suffice to say, asking for the discount after the fact was considered poor form (a special isn't a special if you can access it at any time) but stating "if you offer it up again me know as would seriously love seeing you at that rate" would be a figurative "red card". Take from that information what you will.
I agree with Paige that the wording may just come back to kill the senders chance of ever seeing this lady, but maybe a simple "good roads" message reaching out and acknowledging that they saw the special and were impressed but truly sorry that they missed it.
Leave it at that, the lady is getting complimented about her marketing and the fact that she was noticed and maybe the guy is being seen as a future interest. If not you at least did not piss someone off about trying to be a Walmart shopper.
Go that route because that could mean a bad situation for you. Not even if you're a regular. We all can get a special rate but never ask.
Recently, I contacted a regular to spend some time together. A few texts later, she mentions how to get me to spend the night...I didn't want to spend that $. It led to how much it would take for me to stay the night. That is the question I dislike, and it makes me very uncomfortable.
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Looking at your reviews and all the fours and fives on there, you obviously are a bottom feeder.
You wanna Cadillac but are only willing to pay for a Yugo. Be happy with your Yugo and quit bitching about not being able to afford a Cadillac.
Guess what, to have sex with a beautiful provider with exceptional skills you have to pay for it.
For you it’s all about negotiating how can I get more for less from any provider. Classless and a scammer.
Maybe, just maybe you should save your shekels up, Instead of spending it on fours and fives, have a better experience by paying a little more…🙄
Hey man, I asked a simple question and all you can do is give some lame response worrying about the providers I have seen. Your critique or criticism isn't necessary and I really don't care so why don't you just keep it pushing.
I did look back and see you have not done well in the “bargain basement “
The thing is you need to pay something for quality.
Come on guys, He's just looking for diamond in the rough, it may take time & alot of luck, but there's nothing wrong w/ that,
the whole bargain basement thing is really a slam on any of the ladies out there that might think their rates are fair. I feel the hookup needs to more about the ladies in alot of our sessions and if we show them some respect and they have as much fun as we do maybe they will want to ask us back for many repeats, compromise on the so-called upgrades and even offer at that time, a deal. Do not count on it, and for sure do not ask for it but good communication may be vital on this hobby and then it might not be a bad dialogue to lead up to your business together. Upgrades always confused me .......
my bone to pick is the ladies that travel to our fair city and ask for outrageous rates.........that to me is a slap in the face 'our' special ladies. when we jump at them and drool all over the boards about them, that seems like a shun of our regulars.......600, 700 and more just seems to me where it can only get soooooooo good but maybe I am just old and stuff does not work as well
Basically you were asking this board if it’s all right to be a dick.
You want affirmation that NEGOTIATING is something you do with a provider.
On your previous posts defending your actions you always come back with “it’s a business why not negotiate“
You obviously don’t understand this business.
Once again classless and a scammer. You best not give them your TER moniker, Quick search and your dick-Ness shines through.
This is the last you’ll hear from me on this thread so don’t bother responding.
I could care less if you respond back or not. 1st you called somebody a Dick and then you call somebody a scammer. A scammer is someone who commits fraud or has no intention of hooking up with a pro, obviously I've seen plenty of providers as you've evidently seen with my reviews so certainly not a scammer. 2nd I asked a legitimate question in which a provider on Twitter was offering a special on a night on which I was unavailable, if it would be appropriate to see if she was still offering it. It's a simple yes or no, Worst case scenario is she says no and I move on.. And yeah I've been offered deals before, so i have an idea gow this businessworks partner.. As for someone else saying that I should save up for a high-end provider, I might (as I have two or three in mind) but kicking out $600 per hour for a pro it's something that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's not necessarily affording it but it's the that 1 hour of fun is almost half my monthly mortgage payment.
Pay your mortgage…quit whining Richard
But I do appreciate you googling the word scammer and then take it verbatim from google…😂😂😂
So three things.
One- Sorry to inform you that my name is not Richard. Clearly you must be thinking of someone else. But you are correct that I do have a mortgage to pay like most responsible homeowners so bouns point for that.
Two- I'm a highly educated person, so i dont need to search things up on google unless I am doing research and then I have sense enough to be discerning what websites I'm looking at for said information.
Three- I'll give you a example. In your last message you said you wouldn't respond but you did so that makes you dishonest. But we could say that you are untruthful, deceitful, unscrupulous, treacherous, underhanded, dodgy, unreliable, underhanded, and a scoundrel.. Oh, by the way, I didn't need to go on Google to know the synonyms.
It's all good though, enjoy your car date and your Yugo.
a discount is never going to end well. Just spend some time on Twitter to get the vibe. Some want tips, gifts, money for nails/hair/birthday just because they posted a nice picture or asked......and they get it, regularly. Asking for a discount will likely get you banned, blacklisted, blocked or named on the secret escort "avoid" list.
Personally I don't haggle prices on anything, if I don't feel the price is fair I just move along especially in these times.
Never, NEVER, try to "negotiate" a "price" with a provider.
You could quite possibly be one the most idiotic men alive and deserve the response you will get.
What kind of moron wants to start a transaction off with a woman who will hopefully provide an amazing intimate experience by saying "You're not so great, You aren't worth what you think you are". Try that type of attitude as a pick up line out socially.
"Hey Chevy, I really like the truck I'm thinking of buying but Chevy really sucks and I don't want to have to pay for it"
That being said, I don't believe it would be wrong to send a message in the proposed scenario, THAT DAY, saying "I saw you are offering a special, and can't make it today, would you be willing to see me on "X" for the same? If not I apologize for bothering you".
I don't know this guy, I don't delve into any particular clowns posting history on here, but I do have respect for Kram and OldRanger and will go with their comments on the original poster.
Back to rule number #1
DO NOT TRY TO BARGAIN WITH A PROVIDER!
If she, or her services, do not fit your financial means or criteria then just say "Oh, well, I guess I won't see her", move on and find what may.
You make life more difficult for the ladies many of us want to see, and for those of us who want to see those ladies, by wasting their time, annoying them, and then making it harder for the rest of us mongers because the lady in question has to be more guarded because of your time wasting and insulting antic's.
Uhhm, so many things I can say about your idiotic and moronic response but I don't have the time or energy. But I will say something about decorum because typically when you have a conversation with someone you start off with respect. If you disagree with what I asked the board that's totally fine I respect that, but when you divulge and dive into insults by saying someone's an idiot or a moron that's when you lose all credibility. That's the problem with this world but it cool. Don't forget to put on your big boy pants, I'll just make sure I put on my man pants.
It appears the lady in question is someone you really would like to see but out of a range without the discounted rate. You are the only one who knows it is who and how much so why should others of criticize whatever you do.
Why not either get the extra money and skip a cheaper date to do so or ask about a discount/. If you pay up was it worth it and if you asked for the discount did you receive it and get a date or get shut down. Inquiring minds would like to know.
Most of us have limits including myself . One of my biggest regrets is that I did not pay up to see Poppy before she retired and now will never know if the extra dollars would have been worth it..
Her body her rules . Your wallet your rules.
Ranger,
Appreciate your respectful and informative response. It's good to communicate with someone who has some decorum and has manners and doesn't fling insults like some of the idiots on this board. So I definitely thank you for that. For high end girls there are 2 lists I have. The ladies I definitely hope to see and who I will eventually bite the bullet and see, the 2nd tier of ladies that I'd like to see but only if their prices were lower. This particular girl is in the second teir and had lower prices until covid and then she up her prices by almost 200 bucks an hour, this is why I was so excited when I saw the deal but I was not available that particular day. I'll play it by ear and see if something potentially happens with her. If I see her great, if not, no big deal.
hey Ranger great points and well said, respectful and informative, thanks the thread was getting a little deep ....and i miss Poppy too. 
I do not know you, or anything about you.
That being said if I met you in a normal social setting I would treat you civilly, and politely, as I do with anyone, but that does not equate to respect. That's a topic for another discussion.
I have wisdom, and earned experience, and that was part of the the point of what I was trying to convey in my post.
Ask any woman you meet in this lifestyle, hell, pose it as a theoretical question to woman outside this lifestyle, and ask them, "Would you be willing to go out with, or have sex with, someone who's first interaction with you says you aren't worth what you think you are, you aren't as good, as beautiful, as whatever you think you are"
Try something like that also with men also, your doctor, your mechanic, (insert profession here).
I'll bet that everyone one of them can't wait to give you a better rate, spend more time on you, and charge you less for their services.
Try a little social experiment here "friend", see you if you can get a single provider to agree with you, no matter how "idiotic" or "moronic" my post may appear.
I'll wait.
You know what Pants you're absolutely right. I shouldn't expect respect from a stranger. Just another problem in this f'ed up world that we live in. I know I myself as a man wouldn't go on board and insult someone I didn't know who asked a question. Maybe respect is too strong of a word so I'll just say having some civility or decorum. The fact of the matter is I posed a question and you took the time out of your day to respond throwing out that someone was an idiot or moron for asking a legitimate question on if he should ask if a provider was still offering a special that she offered a week earlier. When Ranger answered, He gave thoughts on why he thought it wasnt a good idea but did so without throwing insults. But you know I'm over it because I'm the farthest thing away from an idiot moron so there's that period
You asked would I go to any other profession service provider and ask for a discount. Probably not but to be honest I have gotten a discount from my mechanic on expired coupons, so maybe, lol.
I mean it's not like I was gonna go to some random pro and ask if I could I get a discount. The question was in regards to a provider who was was offering a discount a few days earlier and inquire if she might be offering that again at some point.. The worst thing that she could say is no and if that's the answer, no skin off my teeth because I wouldn't see her at her listed rate anyway so no problem.
And the social experiment that you proposed, hell, I might take you up on that son.
That certainly did come across as vitriolic, and my apologies for not wording it better,
I meant that as a stern message for those who make this lifestyle more difficult for the ladies we seek to spend time with, and for we mongers whose life is made more difficult for by them acting that way.
You did not phrase your posts along those lines and somewhere buried in my post which I know hope you know was not specifically aimed at you, I said something along these lines
"That being said, I don't believe it would be wrong to send a message in the proposed scenario, THAT DAY, saying "I saw you are offering a special, and can't make it today, would you be willing to see me on "X" for the same? If not I apologize for bothering you""
There is absolutely nothing inappropriate in doing so.
And I do sincerely apologize, my intent was never to imply you engage in such tactics, it was meant to be a rant towards those who do.
Personally I don't negotiate with them, I have contacted some that wanted more money than I have to work with, and they have agreed to that. I will say the price of pussy the last few years is to high many do not hobby as often. Some girl are way out of line, no reviews and they want 500 oh well some guys are dumb enough to pay it, it costs us all.what really gets me is the service you receive from ho`s now, standard use to be th one pop, hour 2 and usually got full hour. A pro should always provide a good clean up, many gals forget there hired to serve you, not us serving them. I really dont care about how educated they are, or what there nails look like. I want them clean showered on time and ready to fuck and suck and show me a good time, hopefully they also have a good time too.i don't white and do nb e them on my di m e but will gladly buy them dinner or a few drinks but not there time. My advice find a gal within your budget and you'll both have a good time. My experience has taught me the price you pay has little relation to the sexual experience you receive within certain parameters. Good luck.
We can debate the "oughts" of the question, but general experience regardless is that broaching the subject of discounts does not generally see a positive outcome. On that basis alone I wouldn't recommend the practice.
I think every hobbist on here has experience upselling including myself. I never read a positive review with upselling. I will not sell a provider if upselling is involved ever. you can expect the same with providers in haggling.
There are plenty of other hobbies or businesses to negotiate in……this is not one of them imo