Good points all around -- OP showed courage and brains to ask for honest feedback and has listened with respect and gratitude. Similar points about supply/demand have been made countless times but I think it does come down to economics.
There are certainly a core group of hobbiests who can spend $300+ per session but I suspect the number of them are declining in both total numbers and in frequency. It will spike again some day but you just need to take a look at the decline in luxury goods-purchases to make the connection. There are also the special occasion guys who might splurge a few times per year but those are probably also waning right now. It's by no means a rapidly declining market but it's fair to say it's stagnant or depressed. Guys are still going to hobby but the equation has changed for many -- rather than $300/session they might do a $200 and $100 TOFTT gamble (foolish in some ways but understandable). I am NOT advocating that providers drop their prices, at least that is not the first thing to try but (and this is not aimed at anyone specific) it might be worth adding more value: 1) Start the hour clock after 15 min of get-to-know each other time for first timers.2) Reward repeat customers with an extra 30 minutes occasionally -- it should never be expected but it IS appreciated. I never expect a provider to go over in time and actually ask if it's okay and/or tip generously.
3) Encourage honest reviews but you can influence them by sometimes asking for feedback -- if they point out they LOVED X, Y, Z, but were put off my Q, ask them to say just that in their reviews and note that you appreciated the feedback and are working on Q. (this could vary greatly but take it as a potential option)
4) Set up your next appointment just after your current one ends, not in any pushy way but imagine if you are both in the afterglow and you asked, "No pressure but let me ask this. If we see each other again, what would really make it special?"(keeping current rules in mind). You might be surprised at how some guys will open up when they feel safe to do so. It would create excitement/anticipation and possibly faster repeat business. I'm trying to get better at communicating what I want respectfully but I'm still so new at this and limited in terms of funds and time. Final note -- these are not suggestions to replace what you are already doing -- they are merely ideas to enhance your client base during a tough time.
So after I post ((and a few of my girlfriends post))
We often wonder, IS IT US?
or is it really that dead??
Once I post or join a thread
my photo is looked at between 100-800 times..
No emails, No inquires....... Nothing??
whats going on?
And this is not JUST ME!!!!!
there have been times were I have gotten busy , but as of Lately NOTHING...
KARLEY
Which gets the mind a-wandering... thinking of when I was a boy and loved playing in the fall leaves, and hiding in them. I suppose there's OTHER things that could be done in a pile of fresh leaves on a beautiful fall day... hmmm...
Speaking, just for myself of course, in reply to your inquiry.
Well yes, I happen to have read your posts from time to time, and from time to time, I have viewed the pictures that you post as well.
However, to be honest, I am more attracted to a certain look, or type of provider, and you, as well as Many other providers, are on the fringe of what attracts me in physical appearance.
Most of you women are drop dead gorgeous! and Yes
as a male, I do fantasize about many of you, however, I am not compelled to go any further, such as approaching the majority of the providers.
If it were Free! It would be for Me!
But as we know, nothing in life is free, so I am more focused upon a certain look, and feel.
As a younger male, I found it difficult to keep it tame and in my pants, and I was like a kid in a candy store, full of candy, all of which I could sample!
Now that I have sampled a Huge pool of candy, I have defined, and thus narrowed down my selection process.
I think certain aspects apply to others as well ?
It all varies of course by the Man.
In our younger years, as we were learning about ourselves, and about women, we were more prone to losing that internal argument, Should I ?
As we learned about our own tastes, and so forth, now We are more prone to say, been there,
done that. Less excitable and more focused upon
the entire package, as opposed to jumping in and out with any or everyone.
Men may be whores, but We are still the ones paying for it, so we are going to be very selective to say the least.
Is my reply helpful ?
and the government shut down is probably not helping matters.
Thank God for my Part Time job because its definitely been pretty quiet.
and to my regulars , I am also thankful for them. Thank you,
Just wish it was busy like years ago......
Miss them days , where we were so busy we damn
near got dizzy lol
KARLEY 
Your reviews only go back to 2012. Who were you years ago?
Were you on TER?
Were you charging $300 back in the old days too?
Yes my reviews only say a certain date.
But I have been working in MN for many years
OFF AND ON...
Years ago I just did not want reviews.
and people would not post them.
As I got older I realized Reviews do help to some point
And you all can see, I may not have a ton of reviews.
But Not 1 is BAD,, I like that
There's a lot of uncertainty and I think people are being cautious and pulling back. I'm waiting to see how this plays out myself.
My guess is that those who deliver 10's have all the business they desire.
You couldn't prove that by me. Lol! My business has continued to remain steady & there have been weeks where I have had to reject requests. Other ladies have reported the same.
The newbie requests have slowed down a tad but I'm really fine by that as I feel much safer with repeats.
Mange tusen takk to all my familiar friends for your loyal patronage!
they are also doing fine. Just wanted to let you i had your back (Busty All with 9's, and she gets $300)
You have some good taste in ladies. I concur.
There are guys out there with money, they just want to get the best value for their hard earned money. Why would an investor plunck down $300 for a 6 or a 7 when he can get a 9 or 10 for $300-400.
The un-svelte, average looking ones scream and holler -look at me- we look and say pass.
Why so much disdain regarding the ladies that are not "model material?" Please speak for yourself. I have no problem with YOUR preference but I can assure you us "7/8's" are not left for wanting. Take this lovely young lass for example....
what's you point? Alex is never posting on the boards about her phone not ringing- she has better things to do like answer her phone and have sex, Not sitting on TER whining about how her $300/hr phone isnt ringing(not you)
Thank you for explaining your point of view. I just like a little clarification where some opinions are coming from. Particularly when they appear to be fueled by a bit of venom.
Peace!
leann.... I absolutely LOVE alex! not only do I think she looks incredible, but her personality and attitude are second to none. she knows how to make a session hot, and she has is just plain sexy. now you have me thinking....I may have to call her today!
7 or 8s does Not AT ALL describe who I really am In life.
you only get them when you are COVERED....
amongst other details...
I provide an Excellent service, not to mention I look DAMN GOOD
this is about you in the provider world, and in the provider world 6,7,and 8's mean something to guys. And the price point they convert to are important.
You may need to develop a real thick skin especially when you post here about not having enough "work".
When posters allude to per hour pricing it is about value, or perceived value. Not you as an individual provider, but as a group.
I would suggest you develop an email list of your favorite gals and converse with them off-line, not here in a public forum.
I have no clue what this means: "you only get them when you are COVERED.... amongst other details..."
You may not believe this, but what I and others say about price/value/outcome, it is not personally directed at you. We are trying to give you the 411 on how guys see the equation.
It's great that you think highly of yourself, BUT the guys with the $$$ are more interested in getting the biggest "bang" for their bucks. even $250/hr is a pretty nice payday
I don't have the patience to read this whole thread, but a few things pop into my head. #1) the OP was exhibiting courgage and sincerity in her post, under as close to a "real" name as you get here,and some of the responses, under alias, havee been rather snide, and sideways, or just straightforwardly offensive. The OP/provider when posting under her name is exposing herself, and the alias commenter, while hiding him/herself, is protecting only the self using an alias. #2) Chacun a son gout. You can express your own taste without denigrating someone else's. #3) I've enjoyed several sessions with Karley, she is a well-reviewed (by myself and others) provider, and anyone who lets the sideways comments of others dissuade them from seeing her is doing her and self a disservice--she's beautiful, in person and photo, she's hot, she provides a wonderful session, and her price point is not exorbitant. #4) No wonder the majority of providers on this board post what I would call lightweight, fluffy types of posts.
Thanks honey...
And Who On Here Uses Their Real Name!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously lol
Call me what you like, hah
It take courage to tell the truth and if you actually read Mr Thumper's posts you will find the truth. Sure he may have come across as too direct, especially posting under his alias, as we all know alias' are by nature evil in every respect. What you should find when reading this is that it's not personal, as he stated, it's business or marketing. All successful business' have a marketing plan that includes a competitive pricing structure and a plan to increase sales when things slow down. This is what prompts sales, discounts etc, they are not set up for the benefit of the consumer but to keep the sales rates up in slow times.
You've been the first to attack anyone in this thread and maybe you should ask what you've contributed to the conversation that could possibly increase her business.
By the way, if I ever caught on of my employes telling the the world we were really slow I'd first warn them, yes compassion, but the second time they would be gone. That is not the image of success that should be presented.
Courage in deed!
I am frankly surprised that girl in the link is rating like a 7. She looks really nice to me.
The whole rating thing is strange. A guy who cares most about the girls face could rate a thicker girl a 10, while a guy who likes thinner girls might rate the same one a 6.
I am curious if the OP ever posts any type of specials to attract new customers? I read that you prefer repeats, but as someone in sales I can assure you that you have to constantly be working to fill your pipeline. Your solid base of X # of customers will dwindle due to things out of your control (tastes, moves, financial issues...) so, you should be constantly looking for your next wave of regulars. (just my 2¢)
although many of the providers here might not like to hear this but..... the recent lull in the business could be attributed to the price point that many providers are charging. many of you ladies seem to have eliminated the 30 minute appointment in favor of 1 hour or more. and $200+ for an hour is simply out of reach for many of us who enjoy the hobby. i'm guessing that the elite providers in town are not seeing a huge downturn because many hobbiests are spending their $$ less frequently, but on higher-end providers. since i'm not a provider I can't know what its like on the provider side of things, but I think in general that most providers here in town need to reduce their rates to a point where business picks up again....and then gradually increase them if they desire. its all market driven.... if something costs more than what people are willing to pay for it then sales of that product go down.
I think Leann is a great example. I've never had an appointment with her (she probably wouldn't see me anyway since I argue with her all the time!), but she is great at mixing it up and creating different experience. Look at her add this week. I mean who would want to watch a ballgame with a sexy lady? But more importantly, when you try to compare that offering with someone else's, it becomes subjective. For that experience, Leann has established the best price. $300 for an hour vs. $300 is pretty easy to compare against. What about $300 for 90 minutes? All things considered, not that much more effort and it creates a somewhat unique price niche.
I will always be amazed by this conversation. Many provides seem to be so competitive about making sure they are priced the same as what they believe their equivalents are charging, that they neglect to look at what they are looking to get out of the hobby. My bet is that the goal isn't to charge $XXX per hour, but it to earn, $XXXX per year. If there is a provider out there that is charging $300/hr that REALLY loves what they do, and decided to charge $250 for 75 minutes, I bet they would nearly double their current traffic
Not to hijack this thread...... just wondering if she would watch a game with a Packer fan?
Maybe, we could have a double or nothing bet during a Vikings/Packer game?
Winner takes all..........
A BEARS FAN FROM CHICAGO! It was an amazing time! It helped we won. (giggles)
Recently several ladies raised their rate. Seem that one does it many will follow suit. Also seems to imply that the current economy can support the increases. Probably far from the truth. When it becomes apparent to some of these ladies that the demand just isn't there, we will start seeing more specials and reduced rates, It's economics 101.
300 has always been the going rate for the most popular providers. Don't know why anyone would pass on Karley.
Thanks honey!!!!!!!!!!
I did not come on here to Complain or whine , Nor get any sympathy.
I just wanted to SIMPLY, get a view on others opinions as to how business is going.
I am not reaching out for attention by any means.
2nd, My rates are where they stand, because I do provide a excellent service, I am great at
what I do, I am beautiful, and I love my job.
Yes, My menu may not be an open menu like others, Because there are certain things I prefer
to keep clean and keep private, you can not give all of your goodies away
Safety is KEY in my Life, and in order to get a 10 there are some things that women have to
do that I just am not comfortable with doing. And that is perfectly fine with me.
If business is slow because of them reasons then thank god for my part time job lol
Another thing, Ter decided to make that my Hourly on this site, I am always willing to possibly make a deal here and there. But generally I like to stick to that rate. I deserve every penny of it. I work hard on making my clients smile on every occasion.
But as you all see, I am protected, and some clients that prefer it not to be, have still called me and have had a wonderful time, and have called me back.
Thank you all for your input
brandy, I don't see your post as a whine, etc. you asked for an opinion and you got a few!
but.... in this post, you are trying to justify your rates (which is fine) as if to say "well....i'm not over priced!" I have not seen you but I believe you when you say you provide excellent service, and you love your job. however, the clerk at holiday can say the same thing but he/she gets paid what the market rate for clerks is. you don't have to be a 10 to make your clients happy, just provide what the client sees as a good value. two ingredients to a good value.....price & quality of the product. one without the other....and its not a good value.
I can't speak for other hobbiests but i'm not inclined to bargain with a provider over her rates. I love a 'deal' as much as the next guy but I respect each provider's decision to price her services as she sees fit and I don't want to disrespect them by trying to negotiate a deal. if a provider posts her rate as $250/hr, and I don't want to pay that, I don't call her. and just a side note.... i'm at an age where MSG aren't going to happen in an hour so I'm always going to be looking for a 30 min session. I know some providers will tell me that an hour is still a great deal because they offer massage, etc but i'm only interested in the main event when I call a provider.
I know this is a touchy subject with providers but i'm just offering up some perspective from the hobbiest side
S
1. The $250/hr price was pretty standard for the top tier ladies just 4 years ago. In an absolutely flat economy, it's hard to understand why the standard seems to be at LEAST 20% higher now at $300 unless the demand is higher that than supply.
2. Every provider is unique and is supplying a unique product. If your product isn't selling like you would like, it's because your customer base doesn't look at your product as a good value. This is either a pricing opportunity or a marketing opportunity. It's really that simple.
No matter what the price point is, marketing is the key. For a great example of marketing look no further than Leann or Samantha.
2. Every provider is unique and is supplying a unique product. If your product isn't selling like you would like, it's because your customer base doesn't look at your product as a good value. This is either a pricing opportunity or a marketing opportunity. It's really that simple.
As already stated the goal should be a monthly or annual income. The idea is to draw attention and drive interest long term and many ladies have mastered that in different ways. You don't have to lower your rate to do this but you should offer an incentive. Here are some option to consider;
A discount for preferred times, if you want day appointments offer $50 off for 8am - 5pm. If you have slow Mondays offer $50 off Monday appointments.
Offer and advertise a weekly discount to jump start business if it's slow. You can look through the ads and see some good examples of this.
If you want to encourage return clients offer a repeat special ie, repeat within 4 weeks and save. This can be offered to all or just the guys you'd really like to repeat with you. In marketing it's called building a brand loyalty.
The list of possibilities is endless as it is simple marketing. If your advertising isn't working add an incentive, you're bombarded with them everyday because they work.
I do not recommend coming on here and telling everyone it's slow as it does nothing to build your demand. To many it could drive potential clients away as we all like to go to the popular show, drink the popular drink and yes see the popular girl.
We all like a good deal. I would pay $350 for my Coach purse but given a sale I will be on that like white on rice.
I will try other specials and deals in the future ... Honestly it felt good to make a couple new friends happy with the special and I made new friends that will repeat.
I think a great way to combat this is offer discounts for TER and P411 members with provider references..
My hour is 300 because it allows me flex for TER and P411 members and I keep it the same on my Slixa, BP, Eros and other places..
Its like a great way of saying thankyou for screening and respecting my safety here's a lil bonus
Here's my take about the HH, the great parts about why I love being a provider can NOT be summarized to a HH. And to tell you the truth id rather drop my 90 minute down to $350 and give the opportunity to spend more time with my clients than to discount on the hour or offer a HH..
I like the communicating and connection social aspect of the appointment so I prefer longer dates..
Im a thicker girl and there are client who will think im a 10 because they love thicker girls..
I dont feel like I compete with the 9-10's because alot of the clients Ive seen either love bigger ladies or love a variety of all shapes and sizes..
I never see more than one client a day, and prefer to only see a few per week actually so I set my rates according to how I wanted the flow of business to be..
I have my one good review, that validates me and says Cat is fun you should try and im perfectly content with that.
So can we please stop with the insinuation that because i'm not a 10 in your book that I cant have the same rates as those you would consider a 9-10..
We all have different tastes..
Karley you should consider touring, like a few days up north, Sioux Falls, Iowa, ND there is business all over MN for ladies who are willing to travel
I also am willing to travel for extended engagements, and have minimum .. like I drive an hour for a 2 hour minimum,, try a few different things,, not that the community isnt great here, but there are clients all over MN that are not hobbyists on the boards
Chin up,, you're beautiful
~Cat xoxo
-- Modified on 10/10/2013 8:37:52 AM
I was about to say pretty much the same thing, well articulated might I add!
V Xoxo
I used to do a bit of traveling.... I actually like the time away.
Its nice...
And I don't believe by me writing this post should make anyone
feel that I provide a bad service, by me Simply asking for opinions.
My reviews show that
I am not ALWAYS slow. just last few weeks its been more quiet than others....
LETS BE NICE HERE
I've learned from experience that is the BEST way. Remember each opinion is ONLY that. ONE opinion. NOBODY here is in a position to speak for the majority despite the fact some may like to think so. Posters on these forums are in the minority of the actual hobby community. Remember that sweetheart. You've come into a lag. That's all! It happens to EVERYONE. It will pass. True story.
Good points all around -- OP showed courage and brains to ask for honest feedback and has listened with respect and gratitude. Similar points about supply/demand have been made countless times but I think it does come down to economics.
There are certainly a core group of hobbiests who can spend $300+ per session but I suspect the number of them are declining in both total numbers and in frequency. It will spike again some day but you just need to take a look at the decline in luxury goods-purchases to make the connection.
There are also the special occasion guys who might splurge a few times per year but those are probably also waning right now. It's by no means a rapidly declining market but it's fair to say it's stagnant or depressed.
Guys are still going to hobby but the equation has changed for many -- rather than $300/session they might do a $200 and $100 TOFTT gamble (foolish in some ways but understandable).
I am NOT advocating that providers drop their prices, at least that is not the first thing to try but (and this is not aimed at anyone specific) it might be worth adding more value:
1) Start the hour clock after 15 min of get-to-know each other time for first timers.
2) Reward repeat customers with an extra 30 minutes occasionally -- it should never be expected but it IS appreciated. I never expect a provider to go over in time and actually ask if it's okay and/or tip generously.
3) Encourage honest reviews but you can influence them by sometimes asking for feedback -- if they point out they LOVED X, Y, Z, but were put off my Q, ask them to say just that in their reviews and note that you appreciated the feedback and are working on Q. (this could vary greatly but take it as a potential option)
4) Set up your next appointment just after your current one ends, not in any pushy way but imagine if you are both in the afterglow and you asked, "No pressure but let me ask this. If we see each other again, what would really make it special?"(keeping current rules in mind). You might be surprised at how some guys will open up when they feel safe to do so. It would create excitement/anticipation and possibly faster repeat business.
I'm trying to get better at communicating what I want respectfully but I'm still so new at this and limited in terms of funds and time.
Final note -- these are not suggestions to replace what you are already doing -- they are merely ideas to enhance your client base during a tough time.
Iron, I think that is a great idea. I think too often women dont want to appear to be pushy or "salesy" so they don't ask the question. Personally I love it when women really share that they had a good time as well and would like to see me again. It strokes the ego, I would likely schedule the next visit on the spot. Primarily because I feel that she is really trying to connect with me above and beyond how other women do. It makes the experience more personal, and for me its more about the overall experience and the emotion not just the sexual acts performed.
sounds the best to me 90 min. for the price of 1 hr. is a great idea for a special.