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I just finished "Minneapolis Madams: the lost history of prostitution on the riverfront". Very unbiased and very interesting historical read. Another thread on here was discussing race and I wanted to add something interesting I read in this book. One of the most powerful and prominent madams in the 1880's in Minneapolis was a black woman by the name of Ida Dorsey. Her original brothel I believe is still standing today. She normally had around 8 women working in her brothel, they were all black. The only clients she would allow into her brothel were white men. This obviously caused a huge uproar in the black community as the black men were not allowed to visit the brothels that had white women either. I am not  trying to start a fight on this board, please be respectful in the comments. I just think it is wild 130+ years later and we still see this in our industry today.

“ This obviously caused a huge uproar in the black community as the black men were not allowed to visit the brothels that had white women either. ” (“ She normally had around 8 women working in her brothel, they were all black.”).  

Fuse blown… aren’t you one of the reta*rds like LockFaak and Vroom Vroom  telling people something about… English? Or Being coherent?

So Tango you can't read, or understand what you read, either?

Are you asking a question? Type a coherent question and I will be very happy to answer it for you in regards to the book.  

Thanks!!

Read your own and see if you could make sense of your pathetic hooker life.

This thread is about a book review. If you have questions in regards to the book please feel free to post your questions. If you have no questions or comments in regards to the above mentioned book please feel free to start your own thread. Unfortunately sometimes you get off topic and it is distracting to the other adults on this board who are trying to have an intelligent conversation. Thank you for understanding and have a great day!!

Come back when you've passed remedial English.

Doesnot make you any better client for pampering non-tax paying big-mouth  old shaggy  space-hoarder. Still will count every penny no matter how much you worship their cunt.

What is Mango's native tongue? I think he may have entered a letter wrong into google translate to get "old shaggy space hoarder".

I’m so glad you brought this up! Every time I'm in NOLA, I take a Storyville tour; the red-light district of New Orleans. And I’d recommend it to anyone who hasn’t. It’s fascinating how sex work was woven into the French Quarter until the city decided to push it out and “contain” it in Storyville. And yes, Storyville itself was segregated: white brothels in one section, Black brothels in another. The idea was to “clean up” the Quarter for white respectability while still profiting off sex work. I'm a descendant of a "plaçage" aka a "left-handed marriage" so not necessarily SW per se but an arrangement of sorts.  

 
That context helps explain why women like Ida Dorsey in Minneapolis made the choices they did. On the surface, it feels shocking that a Black madam wouldn’t allow Black men into her brothel. But in the late 1800s, it was about optics and survival. If her brothel was seen as serving only white men, it was considered more “upscale” as if her women were elevating themselves by being “chosen” by white patrons, not “lowering” themselves with Black men.

 
There’s a saying I learned when I lived in the Deep South: “In the South, you can get close but you can’t get too high. In the North, you can get high but you can’t get too close.” Down South, Black and white people often had deeply personal ties. How many Black women were domestics who raised white folks' children? And then became the help for them. But Black folks were only allowed a certain amount of professional or social “height" with "token" Black folks being the ones who could move between the communities when needed during times of tension. Up North, Black professionals could rise higher in status; more doctors, lawyers, business owners but the neighborhoods and social lines stayed deeply segregated.  There’s a line in the film Sinners where someone says, “Chicago ain’t nothing but Mississippi with tall buildings.” That wasn’t just Chicago though. That was most Northern cities, all the way through Jim Crow. And we see that to this day. On the surface things look liberal and progressive, but underneath? Bias and segregation linger with the way most Northern cities are divided. That’s any city, any era. Suck it up, Buttercup.

 
Ida’s decision wasn’t just personal though. It reflected how respectability politics, white supremacy, and economics all collided. She was playing a strategic game in a world where the deck was stacked against her. In some ways, those dynamics are still around today. You see it in the “No AA” lines on ads. Sometimes it’s personal because a person may not want to risk recognition in their own community. For example, I'm part Indigenous and if a client tells me he’s Indigenous from Minnesota, my first question is “what tribe?” This is because there’s a real chance we could be kin. But let’s be honest: most of the time, “No AA” isn’t about logistics. It’s about stereotypes and bias.

 
People assume Black men are “too aggressive” or “too risky.” Others cling to myths about size or behavior. Yet in my lived experience, my Black clients have gone above and beyond to be consummate gentlemen because they know the bar is stacked against them. Meanwhile, some of my worst experiences have been with white men. And statistically? If we look at the data, the men who commit the worst crimes against sex workers are overwhelmingly white. But you don’t see anyone putting “No White Men” on their ads, because that would dry up 65% of our business overnight. And we are willing to look at the individual and not the group as a whole.

 
And that's a reminder why it’s important to treat people as individuals. Period. I get it... some demographics can be harder to screen, or feel more entitled. But guess what? You don’t see me posting “No TER Users,” even though they sometimes can be harder to work with and schedule. I refuse to just outright shut them out. I screen the individual, not the stereotype.

 
Preferences are rarely neutral. They’re rooted in history, bias, and fear that go back generations. And if Ida Dorsey were alive today, I wonder how much she’d really see has changed.

I don't know how close attention you pay to provider ads, or what level of provider you would look at but from what I see as the norm are that there are many, if not most of AA providers on what we'd see as more back page level ads that will state no AA or with a caveat of no AA under 40 (as example).  I hardly notice any exclusionary disclaimers on tryst or similar.  Some of the "list" sites have reviews so I don't think I can include them in this.  

FYI, I use the term "level" for the lack of a better one at this point.  I think most customers would find providers with a less quality experience (and cheaper) on those sites.  Maybe it's a combination of economic class combined with racial bias?

As my post above stated, sometimes it’s personal. So, yes, I hear you on the race + class angle. While I’m not in the business of studying other people’s ads (I tend to mind the business that pays me), my guess is it's less about economics and more about proximity. If someone is advertising in ways that reach a very local audience, the real fear is, "what if I know this person, or they know my family?" That’s why you’ll often see those qualifiers tied to age or community. It’s an attempt to limit overlap. A provider might not want to risk recognition in their own community.

 
With respect to the providers you are bringing up, I imagine the closer a prospective client is to their own demographic, including race and class, the higher the risk of recognition. That might be what’s driving some of these disclaimers. Let’s keep it a buck: Minneapolis is a major metro area but it isn't *that* big. It really doesn’t take much to bump into someone you know here. That’s why, professionally, I’m grateful I’m not from here. If I were, I’d probably claim a different home-base city for comfort and just live here.

 
That said, let’s also be honest: for the majority with these disclaimers, I didn't say "all", it's rarely just about recognition. A person can have Black friends, or they may have biracial or multiracial children, or they may publicly “support diversity,” and still hold bias or prejudice. Two things can be true at once. But people forget that and twist themselves into knots trying to pretend bias is just "preference" all while ignoring the contradiction. That’s not clarity — that’s cognitive dissonance.

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Well said by an attractive , intelligent, and articulate provider.

Thank you!  

Paige is quite intelligent and cute as well!!!!  lol   ;)

xoxo

The cemetery’s are legendary. I love a good read! Thanks for sharing. History always repeats itself self.

Romanticguy7988 reads

Dear WIMISSSCARLET, Thank you for your interesting and thought provoking post on Minneapolis Madams. I am going to order the book. As a side note, on your personal website I saw your picture of Calamity Jane's tombstone at Moriah Cemetery in Deadwood, SD.  I was also there and the saloon where Wild Bill Hitchcock was shot. I just received the complete DVD series of Deadwood, which has three brothels compete against each other in 1876 and it goes into great detail of the cost, care,etc;of the women working there. One of the best shows ever. Wild Bill Hitchcock and Seth Bullock are also buried along with Jane. Hopefully you will tour Mpls/St Paul again soon.

Hey friend!! You will love the book! It talks a lot about buildings and streets and where things were located and may still be there. I don't know the twin cities that well but someone who lives there should be able to connect the dots. Yes, I am also right now reading about the brothels in Deadwood, SD!!! I am going to look into the show you mentioned, sounds very interesting!! Now I need to look into books on New Orleans like Paige mentioned. I was in Bloomington this last summer, sorry I missed you. I will try to be back again before Santa!!
Take care and hope to see you again soon!!  
xoxo

c00kie1682 reads

WIMissScarlet, that would be awesome if you comeback to the Twin Cities before the snow flies.

I will do my best. THANK YOU for driving all the way to Wausau to see me!!  

xoxo



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