I know a lot of you don't like the new format. And the trolls have been especially heavy. But what happened here other than that?
It used to be that I could log in and find a half dozen new topics and a hundred replies in a given day. Now, maybe a handful, or less. It's like everyone just stopped talking. Did the better communicators get worn down by the constant sniping? Did the women decide it wasn't worth it? Very disappointing.
... yourself.
Less than a post a week from you here over the past 6 months. More than many people, but it's hard to get into lively discussions with less than a post a week, right?
Or are you one of those people who like to complain about what others are doing, or aren't doing, but don't want to take action to help improve the situation you're complaining about?
I hope that's not the case. To make this board better, we need more contributors... more like you, not more trolls. 
I know a lot of you don't like the new format. And the trolls have been especially heavy. But what happened here other than that?
It used to be that I could log in and find a half dozen new topics and a hundred replies in a given day. Now, maybe a handful, or less. It's like everyone just stopped talking. Did the better communicators get worn down by the constant sniping? Did the women decide it wasn't worth it?
Very disappointing.
Don't start by attacking. That's probably why people don't participate. Everything they say is attacked.
What I posted above was not an attack; it was commentary / opinion. An attack is an attempt to hurt, injure, or destroy something or someone.
If you truly felt my reply to you was an attack, then I think you're going to have a rough time participating in any public discussion sites. And that's not an attack either--just my opinion based on my experience with public discussion sites.
There have been attacks here... some were real doozies. I've been attacked before, but I'm not going to run away from people who do that kind of thing.
Thanks for 'splaining that too me. I'm obviously too stupid to understand what is and what is not an attack.
But there's hints, e.g. a smiley face along with a compliment is usually a good indication it's not an attack IMO.
What about if a poster is called "deranged"? Do you think that could be viewed as an attack?
Part of it is because of the new format. I really do not like it at all.
But, mostly, it's because a certain few people work very hard to control the board. It's too bad
those same people don't have much to say worth reading.
It's too bad. I used to look forward to conversations that included you. They were witty and charming.
My question is, why do we allow those few to control the board? I see these boards as a place to ask questions and get feedback on providers. I know I have been chastised for asking about providers in the past by some, but I could really careless what some others think. I guess the way I look at it is, I can't take things personally if I don't know the person making the criticism personally.
I would agree, the board has changed, but we can change it back to what it once was. Lets make the MN Board Great Again....!!!! Ok, I'm a little ashamed of myself that I actually paraphrased the knob that is currently occupying the Oval Office.
Be Safe,
Buck
Lol. But you're right. Want the women back and flirting? Well, gotta find a way around some trolls and serious rumormongers. It can be irritating to you but actually AFFECT us.
Your posts through the years have been thought provoking and on point .
Your diminishing number of posts along with many of the other ladies has definitely hurt the whole and flow of dialog. Hope you get back to injecting more of your thoughts here.
Yep... that Shitty Pages article was quite thought provoking and inspiring, wasn't it? Even the other ladies here didn't appreciate that. But, yes, Trin.... PLEASE enlighten us with more of your wisdom.
LYT,
Please move on from your hatred towards the person in the article. PLEASE!
EVERYONE NEEDS MORE LOVE - NOT HATRED IN THEIR LIVES.
Slap on a smile and be happy!!!
XOXO,
Whitney
If you want to throw names out. Be consistent. You want to name him name her. Then if people want to know the whole fucking story , they can do the work to find out the facts. But hey why should we be bothered by pesty facts right. But you want to make it a one sided conversation at best, or intentionally mislead what really went down regarding that period on the board. Like always, the wagons are being circled, just like then . Some things never do change.
That article was nothing but a publicity stunt to coincide with her announcement that she was going FS. Go read the article. And if you expect me to believe that alot of people here didn't know it was coming out beforehand well I'm not buying that BS.
NO the same people probably got in on the ground floor. Which happens part of the arena, i get it. Nothing more nothing less than Self serving interests. Doesn't mean I agree with or support it.
I bear no hatred towards Trinity whatsoever. None. You, and others, completely miss the point made because of who the author is--me. The only reason I even mentioned her and the Shitty Pages article was because the knighthood accused me of outing her and made other disparaging remarks. All I did was point out that it was she who voluntarily gave the interview, and it was she who outed herself. You see, the knights are really good at lobbing hand grenades and running,. They reference things from long ago and try to re-write history, but when I ask for specifics, they produce none. Now we all know (or many of us know) the relationship you have with Trin, so you chiming in here is no surprise. It would be nice if you'd ask the knighthood to back off with dredging up the past as well, but I don't expect that will happen any time soon. You know who butters your bread. (I can think of more appropriate idioms or puns, but they're too easy.)
LYT, I do my best to maintain civility on this board and don't post very often. I'm happy that you don't bare any hatred towards Trin!
I've bit my tongue long enough about this subject! I also wish every single person, including the knighthood, would quit dredging up the past and said article. It serves no purpose and has the potential to make others look like fools, in my opinion. Life choices happened - things definitely did NOT go as planned nor as discussed. No one is perfect. That's all I should have to say about this dang subject. 
Now let's all get along, get on with the fun and lighthearted stuff!
Much Love,
Whitney
Unless TER decides to change the way they moderate the boards, it's up to the posters to post in such a way that the board is more like they want it to be.
people to post things you don't agree with, isn't it? I have a suggestion for the next version: Add a WK discussion board. That way the WKs and women who only want to be adored can just go off and stroke each other there. Then the rest of us can use the forum to discuss reality. And in reality, every provider is not a 9/9 or higher. Life's just not that way. Why do you want censorship?
Still peddling the same BS you did last year. You sure you want to go down that route again? After all, you and your buddies got publicly rebuked last year by TER for what your clique did on the board. Perhaps you should argue censorship with them like you did last time; they are, after all, the ones who can actually censor stuff on this board, seeing as they are the owners.
Sure... I'll always argue the censorship. As long as you and a few select others seem to get away with writing shit other don't get away with. Makes the real people out here wonder just who the real moderators are... Or perhaps we already know that, don't we? And interesting that one of your clique members is quite active on this board and gets away with shit, but he has only reviewed 3 Mpls girls since about 2008, and hasn't reviewed a local girl in over 3 years. Seems a bit odd, doesn't it? Think people don't know what's going on? Think again. And this isn't the only medium for discussions.
Anyone who was around much on this board is aware of how you and your buddies trashed this board for months last year. Many of those threads are there for anyone to see if they care to spend the time looking. You can cast all the aspersions you want but what you can't do is get rid of all the crap you spewed.
Yeah that may be true. So fucking what. Obviously in 7 months since , nothing has been done to stop the hemmorage. Not one fucker came on here saying the board is so much better , with concrete facts that actully the board is better. And I'm not talking about tone. I'LL maybe give you that freebie. But actual substance.
Where are all those providers that were chased away now. You guys had free liberty to bring them back Cant pin that shit on "the gang "
Obviously they came to same conclusion ,your message is a waste of time for them .
It's easy to see that traffic is down. It's much harder to spend the time going through months of posts and noting who used to post but doesn't anymore. And even if you did, how do you contact them? Most of my communication with people on TER was via PM. If they don't have an active TER membership, sending them a PM is useless. If they have found a new place to hang out that they like, they aren't likely to come back anyway.
Once you develop a bad reputation, it's hard to turn that around.
Question Vorlon. Are you refering to providers?
If so , and you have some specific ones in mind . The question I'd ask myself , and do the reasearch by looking at their postings. Is this, what did they honestly bring to the board of substance. The cutesy one liners or well thought out discussion points. That tells me alot of about what they are truely seeking from the board.
I for one have no time for the former. My immediate reaction is this when I see them #1 Oh ,this is more about keeping your name relevant or popular as a provider . Fine ,but use the ad board if thats your motivation. Proper place. #2 They don't want to take a real position , which can be questioned . Well that just doesn't work in my book. You either stand for something on principle or you don't. But lets not pretend.
Can alot of what I said be applied to the dudes , yes but I wish to keep it focused on providers if that is your target. , so it doesn't drift off into the weeds.
As far as bad reputation , are you refering to the board. Can you provided some qualifying points by which you have came to this conclusion.
Lastly, can "we " bring anyone back or drive them away. Not in my opinion. They make their own decision of free will just like me. I'm not hostage to anyone. Thats reality.
Ok Trin. You opened the door to rumors/ rumormongering. Well just what are the untrue rumors circulating on the board? . I specifically worded this to you as you raised the question , so I'll give you first shot . But don't give a shit who replies , if they really want to talk about openly and maybe have new information brought to the table. Just save the fluff.
You sited no examples for people to go dig into. Why? If they are having such a negative effect. That's just throwing shit at the wall hoping it will stick, and often times done because too many people are afraid to question and get to the truth. Now that should be of real concern.
Oh I can hear it already , so all of you just save it. They will be attacked. See hears the deal with attacks, that people want to talk so much about. There is absolutely nothing wrong with attacking a persons position /stance at the time if they lack relevant honest information and you give it to them . And I say if their facts are wrong , you should destroy them. If truth doesn't trump the personalities, to all on the board well . Well don't fucking blame me blame yourself.
I did not bring up any specific situation, because this is an ongoing problem for many people. It's not about me. I don't really think I'm worthy of such obsession from people, but I'm not looking to solve the mystery either. It is a waste of my time to peddle in anything other than facts.
I think the Board tried to rectify an error with the Board sponsored themes, but would be better off letting the providers come up with themes themselves, it was more lively a few years ago, more spontaneous, and I think more activity would branch off from that, as a starting point to more activity
I find it harder to read through threads and easily see what I've already read and what is new. At the same time, the board had been declining for quite some time before that. I know some people think a lot of the conversation has moved to social media.
The board reflect those who post on it. More and better posting is the only way to make it better.
Not only did I have to learn it, I also got a smartphone for the first time, and I had to learn to navigate with that. And here I still am!
I agree that the "little man" syndrome where they make up for their inadequacies in real life with abusive board presence accounts for a lot of the degradation of board culture.
However I also think that perhaps as ladies discovered that a board presence didn't result in a corresponding amount of business convinced them that it wasn't worth a lot of time -- except for whatever entertainment value it provided. This wasn't as obvious in the early days. So activity was higher.
Knowing men the way I do, if a lot of ladies were posting here, there'd be a lot of guys responding.
That why the "ladies" don't post here. Half of the posters here are on the national advisory lists. " A board presence doesn't result in corresponding amount of business" Brilliant analysis--youre like the Warren Buffet of costs and benefits for hooker rating websites. This board used to be fun when it wasn't full of suburban weirdos, white knights, and just plain stupid motherfuckers. Bring back the days of Ben Dover when the moderator was the biggest whore monger in the twin cities and enlightened and inspired us with his fuck it all attitude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqCTq3EeDcY
That why the "ladies" don't post here. Half of the posters here are on the national advisory lists. " A board presence doesn't result in corresponding amount of business" Brilliant analysis--youre like the Warren Buffet of costs and benefits for hooker rating websites. This board used to be fun when it wasn't full of suburban weirdos, white knights, and just plain stupid motherfuckers. Bring back the days of Ben Dover when the moderator was the biggest whore monger in the twin cities and enlightened and inspired us with his fuck it all attitude.
and from what I'm reading on social media and in conversations with others, I think some folks are just tired of the confusion, misogyny, rating system, and how rules & standards are applied differently from one person to the other. If you have a twitter account, just hang around because there will be a new topic about TER weekly. And it isn't pretty.
In addition, there are ways for us to track where the majority of our clientele come from. For example, if I know that 80% of my clientele do not come from here, what is the point of being involved? It's just better to drop the weekly ad and say "See you later!" until next week.
Plus, conversations are so much better in person. Don't you think?
You make good points. I've seen that each region of the country seems to use a different site or sites more than others. When I was in Oklahoma/Texas a couple months ago, nothing was happening on TER there. I have a twitter account, but I don't want to mix my public twitter with my private sexual interests. Any suggestions?
For sure! You can have more than one twitter account, Instagram, Facebook, etc.
Create a new handle with your email that you give us providers. Then do all the normal twitter stuff to set up the account. Once all that is done, go into your privacy & security settings to ensure people cannot find you via email or phone number for an added layer of security. If you have any further questions or need help, feel free to email me or PM me.
Hope this helps!
LJ
Attack, attack, attack. I go away for the weekend - have fun, cook out, have sex, boat and gamble, and I come back to this.
Have you guys ever tried to just get along with people?
Your post made me just shake my head and snicker, and it reminded me why I just don't give a shit about this board anymore or about posting much. I pretty much just read it every now and then just to see if things have changed--they haven't--and to be amused.
I find it almost the height of irony that in this hobby, where you and other women sell your bodies and sexual services for money, you actually use the term misogyny in your post. You are being paid very good money to let men use your body for their sexual gratification yet you use write they're misogynistic? Aren't you exploiting their male weakness of always being horny and needing sex?
So you can willfully and voluntarily participate in these activities--and make a lot of money--just don't talk about what really goes on? Ironic and hypocritical.
If the guys here were really misogynists, would they be paying you a lot of money for sex? And if that is your definition of misogyny, why do you promote it by providing such services? (I know.... you LOVE the money you make, but you don't want to be thought of as a whore or prostitute. Pretend I'm not what I am.)
And here we go with the WKs .... 3....2....1....
Thanks for your response to my note. I think you misunderstood me. There were many assumptions made that weren't even touched on or alluded to in my previous post.
Did I say that every man here was a misogynist? No. By the way there are lady clients that use TER so assuming they aren't is a form a misogyny (don't blame the messenger). I digress. There are many people in this world and on this board who show misogynistic behavior without being misogynists. It's totally possible. For example, have you really read the Minnesota board recently? When I used the term misogyny, that's what I was alluding to. The "My money, I'm the boss..." thread that oozing with misogyny and made quite a few providers I know, highly uncomfortable (https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/minnesota-21/my--my-rules-men-w-no-balls-236736?page=1). In addition, no one was denying what is going on here. We all can read through the coded language that we use for legal purposes.
So back to the issue at hand.
Does going to a companion/provider/prostitute/escort/whore/heaux make anyone a misgynist? Absolutely not.
However, can the behavior a persons exhibits in a date/session or their posts on boards indicate misogynistic behavior. Oh yeah. (again, see https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/minnesota-21/my--my-rules-men-w-no-balls-236736?page=1 )
And to answer your questions, "If the guys here were really misogynists, would they be paying you [sex workers in general] a lot of money for sex?" Yes... yes they would and they do. Luckily, in my case, I don't have to see them.
"And if that is your definition of misogyny, why do you promote it by providing such services? (I know.... you LOVE the money you make, but you don't want to be thought of as a whore or prostitute. Pretend I'm not what I am.)"
I can't speak for everyone, but I have career that pays me well. I just enjoy doing this and yes, the money is great.
Oh, and Darling, I don't give a damn what you call me, it's about what you answer to. Just make sure you spell my name right.
Calm down? Right off the bat you assume I’m wound up. Hardly the case. In fact I’m more like just-don’t-give-a-shit mode.
What, precisely, did I assume? I stated facts and my opinion.
Facts: Women sell their bodies to men for sex. Women make good money selling their bodies for sex.
Why do you think I assumed there are no women using this board? You’re wrong there in your assumption. For the purposes of misogyny, to include women in that group would be oxymoronic or non sequitur, as it would actually mean they have contempt, hatred, and dislike of themselves. So to suggest that is misogynistic is beyond my comprehension.
How, exactly, does one show misogynistic behavior without being a misogynist? Is that like being sort of pregnant? Sort of racist? I don’t get your logic. I understand you and others want to rip on Talon and his post. I get that. I disagree with your position though. You can like it or not, but his point, as I see it, is that he is the customer paying for a service, and he wants to dictate what that service is. Perhaps his choice of words is harsh (that’s obvious based on the comments), but his thesis itself was not misogynistic. I, and many others in here, probably Talon too, could have written his overarching thoughts using different and more politically correct terms, but that doesn’t make it any more or less misogynistic. If a woman doesn’t want to provide requested service for the money tell him no and move on.
What do you think the wives, girlfriends, and children of your clients think? Is hubby, daddy, BF a misogynist? Or just a lying cheater?
You are aware that there are women’s rights groups that consider this hobby to be misogynistic, aren’t you? Are they right or are you? I guess it’s subjective.
And, Darling, I didn’t misspell your name.
All the more reason I just stay away from this board lately.
Clearly, you still do not get it. At all. Misogyny is the overarching, umbrella term and at no time was someone called or implied to be a misogynist, only the behavior.
A person can partake or exude misogynistic behavior at any time. Slut-shaming is considered misogyny and women partake in it often. So yes, women can partake in misogyny. For example, "Rape Culture" is rooted in misogyny (the woman deserved it, she shouldn't have worn that, she shouldn't have drank, she should have known better etc.,) and there are many men out there who are fathers, brothers, uncles, boyfriends, male friends, senators, religious leaders, etc. (often times the perp is someone, in this example, a woman knows), and women, who believe in that logic.
However, we can agree to disagree so for your own pleasure and to make you feel good. Guess what, Darling? You're right!
P.S. The "misspell my name" is a line and a joke, Darling.
patronize and pretend you are superior because you're a woman on this board and there are WKs who will say, write, and do anything to defend you. I get it more than you think, "Darling." And, yes, I did understand your comment was a joke. Don't assume others are idiots. Seems a bit misandristic to me... but hey... have a great day any way.
Oh... and to be sure, there are MANY people who disagree with your rape culture assertion, and they are PhD who have written books, lecture on the subject, and even testify in court contrary to your assertion. It's not digital. It's not as easy as 1s and 0s. Please don't try reducing it to that.
You're right because just like every argument there are always two sides. You have your "experts" and I have my scholars.
So why don't we do as adults do: agree to disagree. Or is that just not an option?
That is absolutely ALWAYS an option with me. Life would be pretty damn boring if we all thought and acted the same. I'm big enough to realize I'm not always right. But I'm also big enough to know neither is anyone else. As long as you don't pretend your scholars know more than my experts. Hell.... do they REALLY know more than what we know??? WE actually PLAY or WORK in this environment. They only study it. Who knows better? Those who do it or those who interview and study it?? I don't think they have a leg up on us. We're not idiots.
So... have a nice Sunday afternoon Ms. London James. (Notice I spelled it correctly?)
so you can comprehend it? I know you're a little slow, but I didn't realize you're that slow. Shall I send you PMs written at a 2nd grade level so you can keep up with the rest?
sound like a broken record, you sound like a dumb shit with a drumstick up his ass
Hey sticks, he's been talking jive the whole time ...
...revel in their opportunities to insult and degrade women. Men love women and having sex with them. Misogynists also love having sex with women but, once they're done they are ashamed of themselves for giving up power to them so they find ways to degrade these women. Your reviews are a classic example of this:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=loveyourtouch
It's an idiotic claim that you made that escorts sell their bodies. It's obvious that they don't. They still possess their bodies once the business transaction is completed. Why would you purposely state something that's so ridiculously absurd and indefensible? Maybe because you hate women and want to hurt them at any expense? They sell sexual services...they're sex workers after all, DUH.
You criticize sex workers for their need to conceal their identities and lead a double life. You use an alias. Not just a board handle BTW but an alias aside from their board handle!!!!!????? Can anyone be a greater POS hypocrite than you?! (rhetorical question....the answer is no. )
Have a nice day!
P.S. I wrote this as MsJames was writing her classic takedown of LYT's comments. MsJames is obviously in a class miles above the likes of him
And welcome, Ms. James, to the Land of 10,000 Lakes and a Few Weirdos , and to this board. Greatly appreciate your contributions. Hope you enjoy your visit here and our mid-summer weather!
-- Modified on 7/9/2017 2:57:09 PM
Thank you for the warm welcome! However, it is not just a visit. *smiles* As of July 15th... I'll have completed my move and will, once again, be a resident here.
throw a few more +1s there. Fuck me. You guys really make me laugh. I am in tears. I can just imagine you and that dumb shits burning up the keyboard racing to be the first WK to respond. I'm disappointed with a few of the other WKs, but since it's the weekend and a nice day, I'll cut 'em some slack. You are right about one thing though: there sure are a few weirdos here... spelled WK.
Too bad you only get the runner-up trophy for responding, Some dumb shits beat you to it.
I was wondering which if the WKs would be first to come to the rescue, and you did not disappoint. Did a few of you get together in a circle jerk and discuss who would be first?
Sort of funny how you and the WKs get away with name calling as you do. Where in my post did I write anything derogatory about an individual? But you attack me. I don’t give a shit. You call me a POS, but if I do that to you or other WKs you cry to TER. You really make me laugh hard with your writing. And the fact you don’t see the hypocrisy makes it even funnier.
Yes, Dumb Shits, whores DO sell their bodies for sex. Or would you refer that I use the term rent their bodies. Only a douche bag would pretend he doesn’t understand the vernacular. To say my terminology is indefensible is just ludicrous. Ever read a story or seen a news report about the industry? Ever hear it said women are selling their bodies? Again, it’s OK. I don’t give a shit. You just prove over and over you are WK to the core and will say or write absolutely ANYTHING to kiss ass. That’s funny. Oooohhhh. They’re “sex workers.” Thank you for clarifying that. Shit. My mistake for lumping in whores, hookers, and prostitutes with “sex workers” because there is such a HUGE difference.
Where in my post did I criticize for using an alias? I think the only times I do that are to you and other WKs. What you wrote here is what I have written to you and other WKs in the past. Fuck me!! I committed a felony!! I use an alias that TER permits. Holy shit!! And as I have written to you and other WKs in the past, I am sure the name on your passport and DL is the one you use here, right? Unfuckingreal you are.
I see you like my reviews. Maybe you should try writing an objective one yourself instead of just kissing ass. Jesus Christ! Grow a pair. And did it ever occur to you that I have written many more very positive reviews using my handle instead of my alias? I’m sure you didn’t consider that possibility because all you want to do is kiss ass. But TER is here for a purpose. I use it. I let other guys know what my sessions were REALL like. If they’re bad I write it that way to help out the guys. I want them to avoid the not-so-good experiences since they’re paying good money. If a provider is good, I write it that way to help her and to steer the guys her way. Just because I blow a nut doesn’t mean everything was great. I get that it’s a concept that eludes you because you are a WK.
For you to write that I hate women and want to hurt them just further proves my point. You have no idea who I am or what I do for women, but the ones who know me do, and they’re all that matter. So to answer your question, which I’m surprised the moderator allowed, asking who could be a bigger POS than me, the answer is simple. Yes. There are bigger pieces of shit. You and the WKs. Funny how you get away with writing that and it stands. I wonder how long until I am punished for writing the same things you did? More reason this board is lame.
Does your wife or SO know you pay to fuck other women behind her back? I’m single, so I’m not cheating on any one. Are you?
Not sure how you viewed what she wrote as a classic take down, but I guess those WK glasses do that, huh? Do you ever see the light of day with your head so far up women’s asses? Don’t you get tired of the shit?
... but you keep using it inappropriately. Stop it, just stop it you silly boy, you!
For someone who doesn't give a shit about this board, my posts and other posts sure evoke a visceral response from you. Why is that? Because you know that we're right and you're wrong. Now, go and lie back down by your dish and we'll let you know when you can speak again!
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-- Modified on 7/9/2017 6:20:18 PM
You're not silly. You're just pathetic. I'll bet you have reviews. By that I mean guys have probably have written reviews about you telling about their experiences ramming it up your ass or you sucking them off.
how about I write whenever I want and you shut the fuck up. You are the one who came in attacking me. You're lower than whale shit. I know exactly what a white knight is you used up douche bag, and you are a perfect example. So go play with yourself some more. I'm sure you've got a circle jerk scheduled with a few others. Do you take in the ass and then swallow? Or do do like it blown up your ass?
But your comment pretty well sums up the whole answer to the OP's comment. It is people like you who think they own this fucking board and can dictate who can can say what and when.
I'd say you're a fucktard, but I don't want to insult fucktards.
Do you need someone to explain that to you?
you're slow, so you should head home now for the night so mommy doesn't worry. Oh... sorry... I forgot... you're in your underwear in mommy's basement now, aren't you. Poor little thing....
For me, it seems the number of young, fit providers who are reasonably priced has plummeted, and the board banter is largely made up of a few posters and several providers that I'm not interested in seeing.
The number of attractive, young providers who are fit has a direct impact on my interest. And, for me, providers priced over $350 or so may as well be doughy and in the AARP.
I don't like the term misogyny because in recent years it has been hijacked and bastardized by a political agenda.
Abusive posters tend to be abusive regardless of the gender of their targets. And as far as I have seen, they actually tend to be more abusive of fellow males than females. So I think calling them misogynists is really unfair to the male of the species -- getting all of the blame and none of the sympathy.
Anyway, my theory is that guys who are into disparaging language about our lady friends are actually actualizing a sexual fetish. Sort of a poor man's sadism. A provider who looks at it that way might be able to monetize it. If you have lemons, make lemonade.
so... in my earlier reply to London James, I made NO REFERENCE to any particular person, yet Drumsticks came in here, unprovoked, and called me a POS. Where do you lump him in? Or does he get a WK pass? Nothing I wrote was disparaging or even argumentative. Just thought provoking. But because of who I am, he couldn't help himself and unleash with his attacks. How does he (and other WKs) continually get away with it? (Rhetorical question, btw.)
No one was called a misogynist... only their behavior. You can exude misogynistic behavior and not be a misogynist.
You're right though. There are some women who make money off of that type of fetish.
Actually there is a paradox that many a young man has noticed -- the biggest jerks always seemed to have pretty girlfriends. But I guess that is a secondary topic ...
sometimes I see a beautiful woman with the real "bad boy," and I wonder WTF? And sometimes I see a jerk who has no one, and I know why. Life is full of conundrums and paradoxes.
Sorry, for above, I meant to respond with this to the entire post.
Attack, attack, attack. I go away for the weekend - have fun, cook out, have sex, boat and gamble, and I come back to this.
Have you guys ever tried to just get along with people?
OK, Aunt Bea. Thanks. As Knots wrote to your OP (I think 1st reply) ....it's not like you're a big contributor to the board, but you're sure full of criticism (the second part of that was me not Knots)...
I guarantee my very limited posts and comments have been more valuable than the plethora of bile you spew here.
OK, Aunt Bea. Thanks. As Knots wrote to your OP (I think 1st reply) ....it's not like you're a big contributor to the board, but you're sure full of criticism (the second part of that was me not Knots)...
.... Over the past six months, the #1 contributor to TER boards overall is a long-time member with ZERO reviews. And the #4 poster overall has only 2 reviews, both from years ago.
Some folks are active but don't do reviews. There are a number of reasons.
I have a few reviews under my main name, but I lately I haven't reviewed. Mostly because they have recent reviews and mine would only be redundant. There is also the problem of writing a bad review and then the possibility of getting the cold shoulder due to seeming to be a negative reviewer.
So my new plan is to review is she needs recent reviews and I can give her passing grade. I haven't had to give anyone a failing grade, but I would be hesitant to do it.
Why not write negative reviews if they are honest and objective? Isn't that what this site is for? How can it possibly be useful if guys just write kiss-ass reviews? I'd encourage you to re-think that strategy. That's the reason the reviews under this name as mostly not so great. The reviews under my handle are the good ones. I want to send guys to the good gals to help both the gals and guys, and I want to warn guys when I encounter a fraud/fake/bad session. I don't want other guys to shell out a bunch of cash unnecessarily. Please think of the guys as well as the gals. Doing so will only result in the good ones staying around and the bad ones leaving.
Well, you just proved your guarantees ain't worth shit then.
"prove" is an actual word, with a real meaning.
I do know that you're going to be contrary and troll whenever and wherever you get a chance. Personally, I don't have time for that kind of b.s.
But then, I've never been censored, suspended or blocked. So, maybe it's a kind of fun I don't understand.
I have been posting on TER since 2000, I believe, and the difference in then and now is much the same as everywhere else - the tone is more difficult to navigate and people are so much more easily offended to the point of attacking. I remember back when this was a community where we all stuck together and had each other's backs as a way of life in this hobby. It appears to me that although there are still mostly amazing ladies around, we have become the silent crew, resigning ourselves to our once a week ad posting rather than engaging in constructive discussions on the boards.
I for one, would be much more engaged in the local community if we got that sense of togetherness back. Every individual meeting is still amazing, but I do get the sense that it will take a lot of effort to get people on the same page again publicly. We used to have room for everyone, with a few troublemakers that would be mostly shut out or ignored with their postings.
Maybe I'm just growing a bit sensitive being the 40 year old veteran in the young girls' game, but I do believe that it's become more and more difficult for civility to seize the day. I would love to see a return to the old gatherings where we can put faces to names and handles, where personal relationships and friendships could be nurtured outside the realms of boards and anonymous postings.
I love this community and would love to be involved in it more myself, and maybe that's the beginning. I hope everyone can take a look at themselves and ask "what am I doing here? what can I do to make this world a more positive space? "
I can't wait to continue to see where this thread goes, and to trying to be a more involved member of this board myself
Hugs and kisses,
Amber
You've asked two great questions for us all to think about.
The decline in civility in recent years is a general problem I think, not only in online forums but across society in general. That doesn't mean we have to put up with it, here or anywhere else, but it's a tough challenge due to its pervasiveness, and its acceptance as "normal" by more and more people.
I think that was kind of the calm voice and outlook needed in the thread at this point. Thank you.
From what I can tell this board generally enjoys intellectual dialogue and debate. Yes, sometimes civil discourse can get... tumultuous. That is the nature of the beast. It can be difficult to navigate these conversations when we are lacking the visual and auditory cues of body language, tone, and the cadence of an individual's voice. The desire to partake in these conversations becomes even more tiresome when it slowly devolves into insults, name-calling, demeaning someone's character, or targeted "attacks" (it's the only word I can think of) . By that point, folks are just typing away, stream of conscious style, and hitting "post" without reading what they wrote.
I'm not innocent in this either; I'm adult enough to call myself out on my bullshit. I'll admit I can be unsparingly frank in my correspondence here, and I recognize that it can come off as "bitchy", "rude", or "uppity". And like most people here, I would argue that that's not the intent when posting, but it's the impact of the statements on the people here that matter.
So, again, thank you for challenging all of us to do better and be better. Let's see where it goes from here.
LJ, xox
I do think most are reading and on the sidelines
That being said I can think of more thenone or two threads where a provider was attacked and others came out of the woodwork almost immediately.
Also in comversing with providers it seems like they get an answer back from others on screening of clients much quicker then most of us get answers to date requests
Of course that may be because they do some of the screeningbecore we even know it.
I hope I am not wrong but feel the community of providers is a lot closer then most realize even though they are in competition with each other.
I have requested and given so many a day for several years, both being sent clients from other girls or sending clients.
The ones that are in serious competition with the rest of us might be missing something, because there are enough clients. So being stingy just makes ya look bad.
For the most part, the guys are the gossips and attackers. The women in Minnesota, well they're just a damn fine lot.
And welcome London. This is a good place!
What good does it do to call everyone who disagrees with you a White Knight? What benefit do you derive from trying to label and pigeonhole dozens of others, with widely varying opinions, actions, backgrounds, and attitudes into one small box and then conveniently dismiss them?
I don't happen to own a horse. . . .
or a lance . . .
or armor . . . (well, I used to wear body armor, but that was courtesy of the U.S. Gov).
It's an odd reaction to opposition.
Clearly you don't know what a WK is then. A WK is not simply someone who disagrees ... it's one who rushes to the defense of the women in here REGARDLESS of circumstances. They have no objectivity. All they do is kiss ass and suck one another's cock. There are a few in here... 4 in particular.
I've been watching and reading for a long time. You'll call anyone who says anything you don't agree with, or approve of, a White Knight. You seem to think you're the ultimate authority on what each thread should be allowed to be about and you'll derail any you don't like, while spewing "White Knight, White Knight," like a tourette's outburst.
Oh... and I wore a flak jacket courtesy of Uncle Sam too. USMC. What does that have to do with anything. We didn't have half the protective body gear then as they do now. (And I'm glad those brave men and women have it!)
the tendency is to fight back. Why do you single out the person who used the WK label but you did not say anything about the others who attacked and used terms such as POS and "I poop in your shoes". How is that any better? If you
ask me, "I poop in your shoes" is about as low as you can go.
I'm interested mainly in the tactics that have been used so pervasively as to cause many to avoid the boards altogether. The PM's I've received about this address the WK label more than all others and it seems that a few posters were able to shut down discussion and bully others by categorically labeling them WK's as if that term had a true meaning.
but if you think the bullying and name-calling is not as bad, then you need to spend some time re-reading the entire board, not just one thread.
Have a nice day.
I can dislike all forms of namecalling and bullying, even if I don't specifically target each and every one.
You single out one when all should be called out.
Umm, what I was saying is that even though I didn't speak to all forms of bullying, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm not against them.
An analogy - - if I go on a fundraiser walk to raise money to combat testicular cancer, it doesn't mean I'm for Breast Cancer. I can be against all cancer and not bring up all forms every time I'm asked.
You single out one when all should be called out.
in tactics when you only focus on one side and not the other as Belinda wrote and asked. Not interested in tactics from the other side? Seems you already concluded that it is only one side that has driven people away. Did it ever occur to you that when the people you despise and want off the board actually left the board, maybe others left also because they're tired of the WKs controlling the board and had enough WK shit?
It's just a visceral reaction to call people White Knights, isn't it? Maybe you should learn more words.
the WKs who shut down the board. It is THEY who cry foul to TER and ask to have threads removed and people censored. Read the fricking board more. Who are the people always crying for censorship and moderation? Not me... it's the WKs.
Nice reply Belinda. Unfourtunately we all know the "real answer" .
This thread is a great example of why the board is dead. One or two trolls ruin the discussion.
There used to be lots of fun, nice, entertaining people on this board, the trolls have pushed most of them away.
Also, just because I don't call the ladies I see whores, or worse, doesn't make me some white knight. People should be able to discuss things respectfully without getting insulted. You can describe a bad experience and still be polite.
There used to be a sense of community here. We are doing things that polite society rejects. We are on the wrong side of MN laws right now. And, we get to see each other naked. By all accounts we should be a tight-knit group, but TER moderators have let the trolls rule the boards. I don't blame the ladies for not coming here. (Also, moving the ads to another board was just plain stupid)
protection and censorship from TER. I didn't see anyplace where you were called a WK. Did I miss it? You're right... people SHOULD be able to discuss things here without being attacked and insulted. So here's your homework... go back to the top of this posting and read it completely, and you will read that I was attacked and called names by one of the WKs. My post wasn't even controversial, but the WK just HAD to throw in his 2 cents. So.... do you apply your standards to him? Is he a troll? Perhaps people don't read or respond because of assholes like him. And what is so fun with posts such as: What is your favorite song? Fuck me to tears!! Finally.... no.... we shouldn't be a tight knit group. I have no desire to be a suck-up kiss-ass to anyone regardless of gender.
A good rule of thumb is that if you are still fighting an internet battle after one month, you're probably not winning friends and influencing people.
People are reaching back to battles months as years ago.
Let it go.
Can't believe I read the whole thread.
What's different between then and now?
Moderators. Mods worked to create a tone, usually humorous, and the humor covered a multitude of sins.
Threads like this were controlled quickly; not censorship for censorship's sake, but curtailing posts that took up space while offering nothing new or amusing.
Nevertheless people generally looked out for one another, men and women, and there was much less psychosis and vitriol, even when Ben was modding. No one (certainly not women) would call BD politically correct, but for some reason women took the risk of stepping onto the board because the conversation was authentic, not psychotic.
Providers tended to come second to the men (...), but that was mostly because the board was genuinely about seeking good women and avoiding the scams. Those conversations have all gone away.
So what is the point of the board now?
It doesn't have one. I read reviews and try to sort the wheat from the growing clouds of chaff, fake news and shills. Mostly I use PMs to connect and clarify.
But I have no use for a board that subjects my eyes to this sort of sewage.
Can't believe I read the whole thread.
After more than 100 comments not a single person has changed their mind.
Take the hint.
If you have replied more than three times on a single topic, you've wasted your time.
I'm all for expressing points of view -- but once or twice as a follow up is enough. If it goes for more than two rounds it dilutes everything you've already posted. Say what you are going to say -- say it clearly, correct or clarify anything in a follow up, and then leave it.
Some jackass with an unending reply blitzkrieg has never convinced me of anything other than that the doesn't have a real life.
That's good advice. I hate it when I find myself in a comment battle and realize I've wasted my time - yet again.