I have been going to TJ for years, probably over 200 times so I am not a rookie although the visits have not been as frequent in the last few years.  Most of my visits are awesome.  The people are usually friendly, honest, etc.  Overall, I have fewer problems hobbying in TJ than in LA or SF, the 2 places I usually hobby.

Last week I went to Adelitas 2 times in one TJ visit.  The second time I sat at the bar and an attractive blond with short hair sat next to me, asking if I wanted to go upstairs.  I said maybe after finishing my beer.  She was in her mid to late 20's, huge tits, a little heavy on the bottom but great body overall.  And she had a round angelic face with a smile that lit the entire bar up.  She showed her tits, put my hands on them, and showed her pussy, then had her hands on my crotch that got the desired reaction.  More agressive than average, but not unheard of.  I asked her how much as I always do to prevent misunderstandings and she said $60.  I asked if that included a massage as I was a little sore from my drive from LA.  Of course, she said.  All good so far.

We wsnt up to the room and it was a good session.  Not great, but above average.  I left 60 next to her purse before starting.  She washed me before and after, helped with my clothes off, gave a short maybe 4 minute massage that was okay, and even gave a a very short BBBJ, maybe 30 seconds, and was enthusiastic as we went through several positions.  I never ask for a BBBJ but she was on it before I could say anything and once she started I admit I did not protest.  She hurried a little at the end, but I was thinking that a tip was in order.  We were in the room about 20 minutes total.

Then the trouble started.  As I was getting dressed she took the 60 and then said I had to give her 60 more.  I thought i misunderstood, pointed to the 60 in her hand, and said there it is.  She said that another 60 was owed because of extras.  I asked what extras and she said the massage and bbbj.

Obviously, in case it is not clear above, the exrra charge was a total surprise, this had not been discussed before.  I sometimes get a short massage and had never been asked to pay extra for it.  The BBBJ was so short and initiated totally by her.  Sure, asking for a tip is normal and I usually give one, but this was not a voluntary tip and it was not $20.

I protested.  She had the angelic smile the entire time, although it become more like a smirk when she calmly said in perfect english that i had to pay her another 60 or she would call the police.  I continued to protest and she just lied on the bed, smirking.  I was convinced she would call the police and that was the last thing i needed for numerous and obvious reasons and she knew it.  So I paid.

The room was near the front desk and when the attendant outside asked for a tip I told them that she made me pay twice and they could get the tip from her.  I told the guy at the front desk also.  The guy asking for a tip just said okay without much surprise or protest and even seemed to be a bit sympathetic.  Maybe they care, maybe they don't, but if enough complaints are made maybe she will eventually get a reputation that will get around.

She said her name was "Casita, like your house", not that that means anything.  I would recommend staying away if you recognize her from the description.

I would like to hear the boards thoughts on this.  The money is immaterial, I just hate getting ripped off.  A few years ago I saw part of an incident like this where a guy was surrounded by severl Alelita attendants and at least one police.  The attendants and police kept on saying "pay her" and the guy kept on yelling "I already paid her!!!".  Finally the police said "okay, i'm going to arrest you" and took out handcuffs and so the guy paid, still yelling that he already paid.  He was drunk so i did not think to much about it other than take the obvious lesson that in any problems the girl is going to win.

No sympathy please, just discussion. I am a big boy, understand that this is very rare and if this is the worst thing that happens in many visits I am okay with it.  But would like to hear if anyone else has experienced anything like this.

That was a long rant.  Felt good.  Bottom line, a girl at Adelita's charged double what was agreed to for "extra's" that were not agreed to or even discussed until after the session was over.

She said I had to pay or she would call the police.  Wishing to avoid that, I paid.  

Wondering if anyone else has had that happen.  Details are in the first post.

-- Modified on 2/19/2010 5:06:55 PM

I don't know why you caved.  Prostitutes are in the business of manipulation.  They will get whatever they can out of you as long as you allow it.  Pay attention to "you allowing it" being the key phrase.

Here's what I would have done in that situation.  I would have told her to get fucked if she's wanting extra money for something we never agreed on.  If she wanted to call the police I would have said "Go ahead, I'll be downstairs at the bar."

I've seen police shake a lot of people down for a lot of different reasons.  Again, the "if you allow it" being a key phrase.  Prostitution is a crime in Tijuana, and I don't care what Burt says.  It's written in the city code, Article 132 if my memory is correct that deals with immoral and lude acts.  Prostitution is an example.

Bearing that in mind, the woman and namely the establishment has a lot more to lose.  The business basically gets a pass and does not get prosecuted as long as they meet a few criteria:

1)  They cannot employ minors.  They employ anyone under the age of 18 and they are in trouble.

2)  They cannot employ someone who is not in their right mind or that is in dire straits.  This means no woman that is considered to be legally retarded, or someone that is in the situation where "If I don't become a prostitute I'll starve."  That is a big no-no and turns it from a small misdemeanor type offense to a serious felony punishable by prison time.

Since there cannot be a legal contract on something that is not legal, she nor the establishment has any legal recourse against you.  If you were in fact arrested, you have the right to have the magistrate (called the juez calificador) to hear your case upon your arrest.  She would more than likely be detained as well for questioning, and then someone from the establishment, more than likely a supervisor would be called in as well.  The business and the woman has a lot more to lose than you do in this case.  Since you're in the establishment, you could possibly face a fine of about $50-$100 for exchanging material goods for sex.  The woman, however, could actually be sent to jail and the business could legally be shut down.  The women having health cards DOES NOT mean they are immune from prosecution.  This is not written anywhere in the city code or the state law.  This is simply a measure to reduce infection rates and does in no way allow prostitution.

In short, she was bluffing.  She would not have called the police, and if she did, she would have more than likely spent the night in jail.

This is not to say that you shouldn't be careful though.  Outside of establishments, you can face a $250 fine and up to 36 hours in jail for exchanging material goods for sex.  This is in the law, and this is not my opinion.  I don't care how many people on this board will talk about how they "know a guy" or whatever.

Be EXTREMELY careful if a prostitute gives you a sob story such as her "son is sick" and if she doesn't get the money she won't be able to take care of him.  That is considered taking advantage of someone and is almost seen in the eyes of the law as forced sex, or rape.  You can go to prison for this for quite a while.

I hope this answers all of your questions, mate.  Let us know if you need anything else.

I made the point above that you have to be careful in other instances where if a woman is in dire need, that you can be held liable and it is a felony to engage in prostitution with someone who has no other alternative.

It was brought to me that I was vague and unclear about the specifics, so by request, here it is.  I'll start with copying the State's Penal Code section that addresses this.  Below is part of Article 261, but it elaborates more in 261 - 264, and goes up to 15 years in prison depending on the specifics of the crime.

ARTICULO 261.- TIPO Y PUNIBILIDAD.- AL QUE OBLIGUE, PROCURE, FACILITE, O INDUZCA LA CORRUPCION DE UNA PERSONA MENOR DE DIECIOCHO AÑOS DE EDAD O DE QUIEN NO TIENE LA CAPACIDAD PARA COMPRENDER EL SIGNIFICADO DEL HECHO O PERSONA QUE NO TIENE CAPACIDAD PARA RESISTIRLO, INDUCIENDOLA A LA EBRIEDAD O A VIVIR DE LA CARIDAD PUBLICA SIN JUSTIFICACION, SE LE APLICARA DE UNO A CINCO AÑOS DE PRISION Y DE CIEN A TRESCIENTOS DIAS MULTA.

Pay attention to the part where it says "o persona que no tiene capacidad para resitirlo".  The State (and Federal) law puts minors, mentally incapacitated people, and people that "do not have the capacity to resist" in the same category under this crime.  Financial constraints and family obligations suffice as eliminating the capacity to resist in the eyes of the law.

I will never ever do any business with a prostitute who talks to me about money problems, specifically for this reason.  The women I do business with will have a hard time convincing the judge that they "couldn't resist" when they wear $600 shoes.  A lot of you blokes that fish around the bottom of the barrel need to be careful.

I don't think this would be much of an issue in a place like Adelitas, but in a private setting where it's possible that you both get arrested, it's her word against yours.  Her priority will be to not go to jail and to go home to see her kids.  You won't come up too high on the list as a client.  If that means you get accused of this crime, then so be it.

I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm just trying to be realistic.  Too many people go around talking about how prostitution is all good and legal when that is not the case.  There are several ins and outs that will get you caught up in the system, and this is an example of one.

You can relax most of the time in a hotel room if that's your fancy, because the police cannot enter the room without a signed warrant.  This doesn't mean that they will never do it without a warrant, because they do, but it's a slight layer of protection.  Also, you will not have to worry about any type of sting operation in Mexico like you would in Los Angeles because stings for the purpose of arrest or prosecution are illegal in Mexico.  It would not be legal for a female cop to pose as a prostitute or for a male cop to pose as a client.  This is prohibited.

Know your rights and don't let anyone push you around.  Article 33 of the Mexican Constitution gives you the same rights as a citizen, so don't be frightened just because you are a tourist.  The only exceptions to this article are that you cannot participate in political activities and you can be deported from the country with a judge's authorization.  Other than that, the rules are no different.

Thanks for all the info - good stuff to know.  I will keep your comments about women in hardship in mind.  Only been approached with hardship stories twice, both with street girls that I avoid anyway.  I take care of my sympathy for the poor by stopping by the church a couple streets away from the Zona Norte, saying a short prayer, and making a $10 to $20 donation.  Hope it goes for a good cause.

I am normally a strong fighter when it comes to my rights, and it is good to know that there are rights in Mexico.  But in this case I do not need my name or any other info on a police report.  If the situation ever happens again maybe I'll resist a bit more - but the need for discretion trumps most other considerations.  I hope it is a one time thing and not a trend.

That makes sense to me.  If that situation happens again, I wouldn't worry about calling her bluff.  I doubt the police will even be called, since as I stated earlier, she would be looking at a harsher punishment than you would.

In this case, there wouldn't be a police report.  It doesn't work like it does in the United States where arrests have paperwork followed up.  They will get your name and write it on to a pad, but that's because the arresting officer must be present when you go to see the magistrate.  Unless the decision results in you being transferred into custody of the PGJE, then there isn't a report for the most part.  That's another difference between Mexico and the United States, is that in most municipalities in Mexico, the magistrates are available 24 hours, whereas in the United States, you have to either sit in a cell or post bail and then wait for your case to be heard.  Here, you get your case heard immediately and then it's decided upon.

The local police station only keeps records of arrests that require detainment into custody, or transfers to the state police.  If you engage in the practice of soliciting a prostitute, then you won't be transferred into state custody, the max penalty you'd ever receive is a $250 fine and up to 36 hours in the city jail.  It is possible you'd be moved to the ministereo  publico for space reasons, but more than likely not processed into their computer system.

From a legal standpoint, it is still illegal for employees in places like Adelitas to engage in prostitution.  The way that it's done is the hotel room is paid for by the client and then what happens in the hotel room is a private contract between two individuals.  It is not an enforceable contract since it's based off of an illegal activity, but it's in a private setting where the police would need a warrant signed by a judge to enter into one of the rooms.

The reason the prostitute would get into more trouble than you would is the penal code has specific references to people that obtain money or goods illegally.  This has other penalties along with it that obviously wouldn't apply to the person paying unless the court wanted to interpret sex as an illegal good, which is hard to do.  This is why it's silly for classified ads in Mexico to talk about "donations" like changing the language will protect them.  It doesn't.  The penal code specifically mentions that no matter what word is used, that obtaining money OR goods in any shape form or fashion is prohibited by law.  But then again, these women aren't known for their intelligence or else they probably wouldn't be doing what they do.

Obviously we know that the police don't crack down on these establishments because they have an informal agreement, but the establishment still has to technically follow the law, which they technically do.  The owners of the establishment would be subject to up to 15 years in prison if they encouraged the practice of prostitution openly, which they don't.  They can't force a woman to go upstairs.  If they did, that would not only violate the State's penal code, but the Federal Penal Code as well.

You don't even have to deal with the police.

Complain to the managers or guys who run the room that you had paid for your session and explain how she was trying to rip you off. Do not give the working girl the money.  The last thing the hotel/bar wants is to have someone complain IN PUBLIC about the service of the girls and that girls are ripping off, conning or screwing up, as it will deter business and give the girl a reputation. Such girls are told to walk to same night or told not to come back, as they value happy customers and there are lots of girls more than willing to take their place.

The local cops do not get involved unless there is violence or disruption of the public peace. Hotel security may come along just to make sure things do not escalate, but it's not like they are going to drag you away and mug you. You've paid your money, you went up and paid for the room and did everything on the up and up. Adelita Bar rides on it's reputation, and isn't some other shit hole where stuff like this is allowed. Remain calm and collected, stand your ground and do not make a scene. Let her fuck up. Just don't give in and give her the money, as it feeds ROB (Rip Off Bitches) their ego and they think they can continue to operate like that.

He would have to deal with the police if she actually called them, which I don't think she would.  Hotel management would not be able to do anything about it, the police would come down.

If they did, that would constitute as obstruction and that is a state and federal felony offense punishable by prison.

But again, I believe she was bluffing and would not have called because she has more at risk than he does.  I agree with you, that the business may have told her to leave, and maybe not allow her entrance for a few days.

The difference is if by some odd chance the woman is calling the police, she is calling on behalf of herself as an individual and not on behalf of the business, so the police would in fact respond to the call.

Not necessarily true, especially when AB has one of the official local police just outside the doors just in case such scenarios occur. She would have to be yelling and screaming and fighting to beyond hotel security and the cop downstairs.

Sorry mate, but all calls to 066 are tracked and followed up on by the central command building in Zona Rio.  If someone calls the authorities, then they have to respond and report back in.

There's just no way that someone would call the police and the police say "Yeah, yeah..." and do nothing.

That would be construed as misconduct, and misconduct is not tolerated too well around here as of late.

The men you see in uniform outside of those bars are not part of the patrol squads that respond to calls.  Most of them are police rejects that are there as punishment, or they may also be off duty police for security purposes.  It's hard to say, but regardless, if she called emergency services, the "guy downstairs" would not be the one who is held responsible for the call being marked as "resolved".

Sorry about your troubles.

While it's a slightly different problem, my friend complained about all the workers at the hotel hitting him up for tips after he finished.  He got hit up by 3 or 4 as he left the room.
The manager apologized and called over all the guys and got on them all for hitting up the same person.
My friend said managing the hotel is a step towards managing at Adelita's, so they try to take care of the problem.