Ok guya.. I have been going to TJ for the last 12 years and know the clubs very well. Yesterday after my great encounter with a chica at Adelitas me and a friend wanted to just walk in to chicago ( 10:45 pm) and the place was dead. I know the waiter wel and ask him why he thought it has been and no soo good there. He and I got into a conversation about the women their. The women just dont want to go to the room alot and rather try to milk more drinks out of the customers and then get them to pay in excess of $80.00 per 1/2 hr! As im looking around I see 2 former Adelitas girls there. Hmmm he goes on to tell me that the performance of these women are below standard and rushed for the most part and that customers have been complaining! I agreed with him as the product and service is what keeps guys comng back! He also told me that the majority of the customers are asain men and in there culture they are just"nice" guys and these bitches are taken advantage of that!
I then was curious and approached a former Adelitas and after this conversation I NOW completely understand that thes bitches think they should get paid more for there services and are acting like upscale premadonna whores!

The manager of Adelitas would not stand for a rip off girl in his club and the girls wont either as it is bad for business,. I guess the manager of Chicago has no clue or business sense!

Lately I have been visiting TJ in the late afternoon, hitting Caliente for a little gambling and then to CC.  The last two times I have gotten there about 5:30 or 6 and caught the end of the day shift.  Both times I have had service for $50 from a nice chica and the whole experience was like it was before the CC chicas started thinking they were worth more than $50 or $60.  But you are right, both times the place was totally dead, maybe 8-10 girls and 4-5 guys.

First of all, the reason for my prolonged absence is that I "officially" retired (ala Michael Jordan) from the hobby altogether a few months back.  I don't miss it to be quite frank.

Okay, so let's talk about CC and AB girls, or girls in TJ in general.

Oh, btw, I got a couple of stories from last year I will post by the end of this weekend.  Thanks for the interest, guys -- (namely my amigos TJ500, ElCapitanSavethatPuta, Burt2020, Rockhard, et.al)

Now, I would refute passionatley that AB management would never tolerate ROB, cause they do -- I can name a handful --> Paola and friends, evil Jacqueline (of the infamous fake blowjob!), diobolical Azul/Julietta, the chick my buddy got ripped off by (I won't try to name the name as it might incriminate an innocent girl), April is borderline (she actually tried to take my cheap $10 Walgreens watch right as I was about to climax -- how evil is that?! "Cum now!"; "Wait, I still have 10 min!! WTF"; "No! Cum now!"; "Okay, I am almost done!! (breathing hard)"; "Cum now, baby.  I want your watch or I leave now!!";  "What? No! (breathing hard and fucking away)"; Yes! (she tries to take my watch off my wrist);  "WTF?! Ahhhh, ahhh, oh shit  AHHHHHHH YEAHHHH.... I'm cumminnggggg!! ....NO WATCH FOR YOU!!"

I don't get Ripped off quite so much at CC but sometimes they try.  I used to pay 1hour up front and they try to leave at 15 minutes.  Others stay overtime no problem.  Like I said, RTMS is am effective technique -- not perfect, but very effective.

haven't been to Tj since mid december 2003 so things might have changed.  I guess with all the nice changes the attitudes are changing too-- they think they are high class now.  

But I even sometimes get attitude in MP's down there and they want to get their least bang for the buck.  I don't blame them if they don't like you or you haven't especblsihed a relationship (I meant that in the lightest of terms).  So my teechnique is still to try to establish at least a cordial rapport, to show them I see them as a valid human being, and to try to get them to see me as more than an organic ATM.  

I don't know .  Daytimes are better.  There is less of a rush to scoop up as much cash a possible.  I was starting to like the MP's alot more when I was there last -- there is a ton of good ones by the Jai Lai arena.  I had this Samoan looking "tour guide" show me about 5 nice placing within 2 blocks radius of each other.  

Good luck... I long for the gone days of when La Zona was like stepping into a scene from Blade Runner and constantly watching my back.  Now, it feels like Disneyland. Things change, oh well.


Rico

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I mean, come on sometimes you gotta take a chance, but I rather lose $ 80 dolares , instead of the usual $2-300 dolares over here in the USA.  POInt is , if my chosen puta for the 1/2 hour decides to trip on me and play dead dog" with d$$k in her ass, I JUST  KEEP THRUSTING, PLAY DEAF TO HER " you coming yet" no speako ingleso, LIKE THE ENERGIZER BUNNY, SWEAT ON THE DIRTY LITTLE SNIAATCH, GET URS AND GET OUT , NO SENSE IN SAVING THAT HOE. LOSE SOME WIN SOME.   That is my  2 centavos. or was that mis 2 pesos? ..o huevos.?  MoNger on cabrones, I too long for the old dirttty TiJUANA, she'll be back, you guys will see. too , too much coruuption down there, its a temporary fix. AL Ratos..

First, ABM,  Its great to see a post by you even though your retired. I hope you still post, but that it doesn't tempt you to break your retirement commitment to yourself.

Donjuan, I got scammed by Paola and her sisters in AB last year but had great sessions with Sonia and Dineta/Deyanira at CC. (I posted a 2 part trip report awhile back.) It seems like it can be hit or miss.  I really highly recommend these two CC girls.  Treat them well and it will come back tenfold.

But let's face it, we all have a type of woman we are attracted and if we aren't attracted to certain ones they don't have a prayer in the world with us.

I think there is some truth that with TJ girls too.  Just because we pay them for sex is not garrantee for good service.  When you get shitty service and attitude all you can do is move on and post it so the next guy can get a heads up and make his own decisions from there.

To ge honest I liked the laid back atmosphere of CC.  AB was too out of control.  You can actually talk to the girls there and its up to you to control if they are trying to scam you for drinks.  Just tell the waiter not right now and if the girl gets pissed of dump her.

Good luck on your next trip.

Hi Rico (ABM)

I'm very glad to see your post--as long dropping in doesn't endanger your "sobriety."

You are a good guy, and I wish you every happiness--inside or outside the Zona.  If you want to get out of the hobby I wish you the best.  I hope you will let us know you are doing, if it can be done without putting your sobriety in danger.

All the best,

Burt
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P.S.  
Hope you stay in contact.  If you find any non hobby related sites of interest please pass them along.  (Use my email.  My VIP will soon expire soon and I probably won't renew it. As long as LE is active in San Diego I don't want to take a risk of seeing new people so I don't have much reason these days to read reviews.)

Chicago club (CC) has been deader lately but Saturday night had plenty of chicas there.  I believe just about any of them will still go upstairs for $60 or less.  Sorry but I don't believe your analysis and it didn't happen to you firsthand.  My friends are still doing normal CC sessions for $50 or $60 and less during the day with the few girls there.  

CC has always been around 50% Asian guys and the other 50% gringos who are moslty Caucasian.  In fact It may be the other way around.  I know many Asian guys who get or have gotten freebies in CC.  Any others?

Juan

I love going to AB (well, used to anyway) because that place had the best looking talent IMHO.  But as far as being able to just chill, CC is the place.  Daytime is great at AB.  

Hey, TJ500, I hope your recent trips have been great and that you have by now learned the ropes fairly well.

Keep us and me posted on your progress.

Yes, even though I am retired, I love reading about the hobby and getting info on developments.  I will never be completely out of the hobby even if I don't partake in the action -- I don't know if that is such a good thing for the future wife.  But I am principled and with strong will-power.

Have fun and becareful out there.

Rico

Hi Burt,

Your kind thoughts is very much appreciated.  You too are a swell gentleman.  Gentlemenly conduct is a rare virtue these days, but it is an art worth preserving, don't you agree?

I stopped smoking (even cigars), I rarely drink now, and my only vices seems to be greed and porn.  Since I have "retired," I have been abstinent.  It's refreshing and I feel surprisingly "clean" for some reason.  Another word for it is "unobstructed."  I don't know if you know what I mean, but it feels good.

I am looking for a right girlfriend, but I am not really looking cause I want it to be spontaneous.  Besides, I don't quite have the time to maintain a serious relationship and all that entails.  I don't know about you, but I am sick of using condoms.  But then I don't want children or to get married just yet, either.  SO finding the "right" girlfriend is essential and tricky.  The last thing I want right now is to be pegged into a square hole, if you know what I mean.  So you can see the quandry I am in when it comes to my sex/love life.


We'll definitely keep in touch, but I'm not really going anywhere.  I'll still lurk and post on this TER board.  I don't know what your interests are, but here are mine:  law; social and economic theory; urban and regional development; politics and public policy; parallel computing with Linux; computer science in general and webmastering; real estate (especially multi-unit income properties and mortgage banking); chess; penny stocks; entrepreneurship; and paperless office technology.  I have my favorite links on these subjects and i am all for the concept of dynamic exchanging of ideas.  

My email address is [email protected]

Ciao,

Rico


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It is true that CC has been slow for the last few months, but clubs going up and down is the fact of the zona. Attributing this to changing attitudes of chicas, management and mongers is silly to the point of being misleading.

I particuarly take an issue with this theory ("alledgedly" told by a messero) that "nice" Asian guys are somewhat responsible for chicas' recent shark attitude. hunh?

First of all, Asians have always been CC's biggest customers. So why now? Second, I don't even believe Asians are easy customers, and I am Asian. Asians tend to be courteous and polite in their appearances, but most of them are tough negotiators. Third, "which" Asian cultures are you (oops, your messero) talking about? CC caters to Asian customers that represent 5-6 different ethnicities. If I am to make a guess, the biggest numbers come from Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos and Japanese, in this order. What do YOU know, for example, of the Vietnamese "culture"?

ABM,

Haven't been back to TJ yet but I have been reading alot to prep me for the next TJ visit.  I think surfing the TJ sites is better entertainment than TV.  And by entertainment I mean educational entertainment not fictional entertainment.

You had a post a while back where you listed a bunch of firsts.

Some of my new goals are getting some photographs of the girls, maybe taking a girl out to dinner, and/or maybe a TLN if my schedule permits.

Til then, it's great surfing the boards and establishing some sort of repoir with fellow mongers.

You mentioned a possible wifey someday.  I too still have that goal in mind too and feel my TJ longings will curb when I cross that bridge.  Some may say it is idealist or pathetic to want that, but luckily I live far enough from TJ's gravitational pull so its more of an attainable goal for me.

Rock on, TJ500