I have been going to the same massage provider for over a year.  The most this spa ever offers is a HJ.  I am thinking of propositioning her to meet on her day off.  How do you think she would react if I offered $$$ for FS?

Don't do it on the first or second date, but build up some trust and confidence.  Ask first about going beyond just HJ by asking about removing clothing, mutual touching, etc.

I've ended up in several LTR with gals I met a MP, and I"m working on another gal right now.

Be smooth and bring plenty of cooth with you.

Note:  Don't start by asking for FS.  Instead say that you can engage in anything she is comfortable with.  I bet things will get to FS before you know it.

Be prepared for initial rejection however.  Some gals just don't want to complicate their lives with seeing guys outside the MP.

I'd put my success rate at about 75%, however.

Thanks for the info.  Big help.  What do you mean by "date"?  You take them out to dinner a couple of times?

How much do you offer?  Their place or hotel?

I offer them $ comparable to what an escort who works gets, typically $700 for a 3 hour dinner/date.  I get a hotel room nearby where they live.

One gal now lets us use her apartment which is nice.  It depends on the circumstances of each gal.

These have been among the longest term and most rewarding relationships I've had.

So the move could be something like "Hey, do you ever give massages from home?  I can pay you $500 for 2 hrs."

Is language ever an issue?  This girl is from Korea.

Start giving her compliments about what she does, and her looks, etc.  If you get smiles instead of her turning her head, then ask the question about meeting "away from the parlor".  If her home situation does not allow it, you should suggest a hotel.  (Not your place, at least not to start.)

Language can be a problem with K gals (I love 'em to death.), but give it a shot.  Love conquers all, after all; and if that don't work, then money talks. 8o)

Since it is away from the parlor, I am guessing it is understood that more than sensual massage will take place, especially for the extra money?

Thanks for all the great advice.  I just hope it doesn't make our sessions uncomfortable for her if she turns me down.

for several years. In the initial months I got massages, talked about life, exchanged gifts, and went out to dinner. Then the relationships evolved. Now our massage session often ends up in FS. They both refuse to take anything more than the massage rate.

One of them even said to me, "You are a friend and I am not an escort so I can't take money for that."

Don't ask as I will not share their names.

So at the end of my first session with this cute massage girl, I said how nice it would be to be together without the constraints of her parlor.  She said that if I came to see her one more time, we could do that.  So I visited her again, and, at the end of the session I asked her if she remembered what we had talked about. She said yes and I got her personal phone number.  I called her and went to her apartment to see her and it was fantastic.  All she wanted was about the same fee as at the parlor, but it lasted over two hours!  So, I saw her a second time.

Here is where I pose the question:  be careful what you ask for, you just might get it!

So I'm with her again and right at the beginning she tells me that LE is starting to check her MP out and she might be out of a job.  It was said in a matter of fact way and she really didn't want to talk about it.  We started doing our thing, and then it hits me!!  Her MP knows my RS2K info.  I am with her in her apartment and could she be louring me there for an ulterior motive?  Was I in danger there?  Could a big boyfriend come in for robbery, bribery, etc?  Well, none of that happened, but Mr. Happy took a dive he never recovered from and I could not perform.  I really don't know anything about her, but she seems and is very nice.  Really nice.  She just wanted to hug me and touch me and she kept saying all is okay.  So, I have been thinking since then: did I luck into a very lucky and special situation where this young hot babe likes me and wants to be with me? Or is she setting me up for something down the road?  

Like I said, I have accomplished what you guys are wishing for?  Am I being paranoid, or should I feel lucky.  BTW, I miss her and want to see her again. See seems very sweet and sincere about being with me no matter my lack of performance.  She is cute, hot and seems really into me.  But I still don't even know her real name! Any suggestions or advise?

Thanks.

Please note the following post on the Massage Parlor Discussion Board originally from 07/28/12 listed above.

e]I replied the following:

"I did"

So at the end of my first session with this cute massage girl, I said how nice it would be to be together without the constraints of her parlor.  She said that if I came to see her one more time, we could do that.  So I visited her again, and, at the end of the session I asked her if she remembered what we had talked about. She said yes and I got her personal phone number.  I called her and went to her apartment to see her and it was fantastic.  All she wanted was about the same fee as at the parlor, but it lasted over two hours!  So, I saw her a second time.

Here is where I pose the question:  be careful what you ask for, you just might get it!

So I'm with her again and right at the beginning she tells me that LE is starting to check her MP out and she might be out of a job.  It was said in a matter of fact way and she really didn't want to talk about it.  We started doing our thing, and then it hits me!!  Her MP knows my RS2K info.  I am with her in her apartment and could she be louring me there for an ulterior motive?  Was I in danger there?  Could a boyfriend come in for robbery, bribery, etc?  Well, none of that happened, but Mr. Happy took a dive he never recovered from and I could not perform.  The session lasted over 3 hours.  I really don't know anything about her, but she seems and is very nice.  Really nice.  She just wanted to hug me and touch me and she kept saying all is okay.  So, I have been thinking since then: did I luck into a very lucky and special situation where this young hot babe likes me and wants to be with me? Or is she setting me up for something down the road?  

Like I said, I have accomplished what you guys are wishing for?  Am I being paranoid, or should I feel lucky.  BTW, I miss her and want to see her again. See seems very sweet and sincere about being with me no matter my lack of performance our last time.  She is cute, hot and seems really into me.  But I still don't even know her real name! Any suggestions or advise?

Thanks.

I am re-posting this on my local Chicago board for some feedback.  The original post was several days  old and without a response.  I repeat-any suggestions or advise?  Thanks.

So you found the Holy Grail, and instead of drinking from it, you spit into it, stomped on it, and tossed it away...

This is a girl who has presumably given you multiple happy endings, plus probably full service at her own apartment, and you're concerned that she's "luring" you into something? You, my friend, need to think a little more clearly. Most girls who are looking to rob you or sell you out to the police, do it BEFORE you have had your penis buried in them multiple times.

I think you're OK to see her again, this time without fear...

To give a slight twist to the quote from Bridges of Madison County: "This kind of a connection comes but once in a life time."

Go back to her my friend. In fact if her MP has been busted, you can help her with her business. Setting her up with RS2K and telling her some of the tricks of the trade.

I have not left this lovely lady.  I realize I am extremely lucky and I plan on continuing seeing her.  I feel quite blessed.  I know I overreacted before and I am waiting to hear back from her about our next get together.  I now believe the following:  she needs financial help, she likes me and knows that I am nice, clean, and somewhat of a good match with her, and that's all.  Last time (which was a 3 hour session) I know I just got all paranoid, but thanks to nice guys like you and others who have offered advise, I do feel lucky indeed. I guess I was bewildered about "why me?" with her, but I get it now. Thanks to you and all who have responded.  Peace.

Thanks for sharing your story, Joe.

Is there FS during the sessions or just sensual massage since you are only paying the same price?

No, the MP sessions are strictly massage and a hand job.  The private ones are FS.  I hope this continues.  One never knows in this business. Thanks for your thoughts.

Do you think the girls you see outside of the parlor have this kind of arrangement with other clients?

since you might have appeared unsure last time, don't wait for her reply, go after it, show her you're really into her.

GP,

I am right with you there.  We since went through a lull where she did not return my texts and phone calls and I figured it was over, but I just heard from here yesterday. She was ill and said she just didn't want to bother me.  I, again, feel quite blessed.  Thanks for your advise and support.  Good luck to you.

123456a,

I don't know as I have only seen my one provider there. I think it is very possible. Based only on my experience, here are the things I would think about to try for this to happen to you:

Be impeccably groomed.

Only try it if you feel you each have a mutual connection with each other.  You can tell these things by how you talk with each other and interact with each other.

Just simply and honestly say, in a wishing way, that you "wished" that you could see her away from the constraints of her place of employment, just as a hope and whim.  Maybe you might get lucky.  I can't be the only one this has happened to.  In fact, for all I know, my lady might have other "special" people she also sees on a similar basis.

Good luck.

Do you plan on seeing her bi-weekly or once a month?  (I would love to hear from the other members also.)

It so far has been her call.  It has been every other week.  I would see her more often if I could.  I will see if that can happen.  That will also help me know if there are others I share her with.  Time will tell.  She has all the control right now, but who am I to complain.  I can easily see my seeing her exclusively.  She is that good.  Its like no other experience.  She is not a clock watcher.  We spend two to three hours together for a very reasonably priced appointment.  I can't wait til next time.

NEVER get involved w/ providers on a personal level..for HER benefit AND yours!! EOM