...or names, etc., do not hesitate to inform TER via a problem report.  Don't just shake your head at what a moron the reviewer is - be proactive!

I've noticed a lot of traffic on the board for recos, inside info, regarding our lovely kgirls.  It's a reflection of what an incredible resource we have, and let's keep it that way.

Be a little more wary about what information you are sharing.  There is PLENTY of information from the reviews, people just have to read the VIP reviews.  As far as "getting in" we have all earned that privilege, and if someone wants to get into the scene, they have to go through the same process we all went through.  

Also watch your reviews.  Be especially careful about location information, TER does not always police it properly, you have to realize that the TER review screeners are most likely not Los Angeles savvy, and on how it's laid out, so just be careful.  I have certainly been guilty of writing too much and giving out too many intimate details because I get so exuberant with these incredible women, I will strive to be better about it.

For you gentlemen who are on the outside looking in, Don't ask anyone to "vouch" for you, you could be anybody, including LE.  We don't know who you are. We are just protecting the ladies as well as ourselves. The gentlemen who are in the network got there by perseverance to earn that privilege.  

Gents, if you get PMs from guys asking you to vouch for them, you put everyone at risk.  Don't do it unless you personally know that individual and willing to risk your reputation.

Thanks for reading!  Party on!

be mindful that not everyone who is asking for information does so with good intentions in mind . In my eagerness to help fellow hobbyist  I have been guilty of divulging more info than should pass my lips , however ,after having that brought to my attention I have become more sensitive about what I say and the info I give out.

Froomie , thanks for reminding us about our responsibility towards helping maintain a safe environment for our K-girls. Unfortunately , at times , we tend to become  too comfortable and complacent.

Providing is a stressful profession , practicing it in a foreign country had added pressure .The K-girls are part of our community we need to be most careful about what we say and there information we communicate.

Have a great weekend.

I have received my share of PM's asking for people to vouch for them or give them references. It is always the same answer from me which is a "No" or I will just ignore the PM. I have recently seen a couple of reviews by one certain person that actually mentions street names and bookers by name.

As both Harpman and Froomie have stated, safety is paramount. I am very supportive and there is no hiding the fact that I love the k-girls but I would never divulge any information that would compromise their safety as well as mine and fellow hobbyists. I cringe whenever people give out direct info or share info with people that they don't even know except via PM. As with the two posters above, in my early naive days, I was eager to share my exploits very easily but now, having gained valuable knowledge and experience, caution is the key word.

These girls are no means helpless but we don't need to add to their stresses and concerns. i understand people want and are desperate to get in the door so to speak but that is what the verification process is for. There are many on this board who seem to want to circumvent that. I respect the bookers and the vetting that they do to weed out the jerks or LE. It works most of the time but some monsters do get in and we suffer for it as well as the girls.

Great topic Froomie. Much needed and hope that people take heed to safety and just common sense.



Beemer

this is great advice that you have posted, a nice change of pace to all the garbage that is on the board lately.  i don't think you have to worry too much about the veterans exposing too much intel.  there's a lot of idiots here especially the newbies that like to brag and share more info than what is required.  as of late i've been pretty much on the dl.  a little bird chirped me to watch out due to surveillance of these boards and possibly activity of hotspots.  over and out...

I'm going to assume that most Kgirls and Bookers do not read their reviews.  I believe its not their nature to be proactive. Just my opinion based on my personal experience with the Asian culture.

But the reviews are definitely on their radar, especially one's that are considred bad.

...reported to TER.  Of course, providers should report problems in their own profiles/reviews as well as those of other providers if they're verifiable.

where someone asks for the best hotel to stay at, or which might be a good place for incall etc.  I think it's just a bad idea to share that kind of information.  I know of several providers who have told me how uncomfortable it makes them when they see posts such as these answered.  We are just endangering their lives.  
As for the K-gals, I love 'em!  They are sweet, hot, naughty, and nice.  The bookers are well connected, and if you play your cards well, you'll have unlimited access to these beauties.

I don't think it's a bad idea to keep this k-club exclusive. People don't appreciate things that are just handed to them. If you have to work for it - if it takes time and patience to earn it - then you are more likely to appreciate it, protect it, and treat it with great care.

Bottom line, it SHOULD be difficult to get an appointment with a kgirl. I know that's frustrating for some people, and it was frustrating for me at one time, but that's the process. That's what makes the system work. Sometimes, to enjoy a wonderful view, you have to climb a mountain first!  

I have never asked for any help to see a girl.  It has never even been a thought.  

So far no one has asked me to vouch for them and it would be stupid to ask if I don't know them.  One stranger asking another to vouch for them?  It doesn't make sense.  It just reeks of desperation in a situation that does not warrant being desperate.  There are plenty of other lovely ladies around town to see.

To the folks that are not in "the kgirl club", those of us that are in it at one time had to keep plugging away, calling and calling until finally we were at the right place at the right time.  We did not have to do anything special other that keep trying.  It's not as if there's just one booker holding access to all the Kgirls, either.

I have certainly been turned down or I suppose rejected by some Kgirl bookers and that's with having seen several other Kgirls.  I don't have to have access to all of them, and I bet I never will.  As long as I have an in to some of them, that works for me.

To those who have not yet been granted access, you'll get in eventually, if you're a decent guy and have a way for the bookers to verify you.

Which is why you guys might consider creating your own private group.  
Where established guys can have a free forum to exchange information without prying eyes reading sensitive information.  

just a thought!

You can never fully control access to anything on the internet. Any sensitive info should just not be shared online.

Thanks for taking the time to post this Froomie.  I was just thinking about this the other day when I saw a review that practically mentioned cross-streets.  As another poster said, if/when we see these things we need to present a problem report.  By the time I got to this one it had already been reported and later corrected so it's good to know that some of us are mindful and proactive on this stuff.

We are truly blessed to have this wonderful situation right now in LA - I for one vow to do everything in my power to help keep it that way and encourage others to do the same.

Happy and Safe hunting guys!

They read the reviews.....trust me...they do.

Yes, I saw a couple of that persons reviews and submitted a problem report on it as well. This person practically gave out a GPS coordinate. I think most of his reviews were like that.

Heed BigPapa's wisdom.

The issue is for us newbies, we don't even know where to start. I am whitelisted by a reputable provider but still cant get any response from the k girl agencies. Any advice would be very welcome.

if you check the review history of guys who pretty much stick to K-girls, I suspect you'll find most have an empty whitelist.  The reason is because whitelisting is irrelevant when it comes to K's.

Great post, I have to say like many others I have thought the very same thing. I as many of you also think that you have to earn your way into the kingdom and why would anyone think that you would vouch for them if you did not know them. I have seen more than a few posts mentioning specific information including streets and landmarks which would give you a pretty good idea of the location. Another point which could be relevant to this issue is the fact that a few guys tend to be way to obvious at the location calling right by the front door, or the bottle of water when leaving, to much attention. Beemer made some very good points to. Let's all keep a good thing going and try to keep it an exclusive club. These K-Girls are really special.

I see this term "exclusive club" used now again.  Seems like guys patting themselves on the back because they got past newbie status and can now see K-girls.  Too funny.  Me and my exclusive member are part of this exclusive club too - along how many thousand other guys?

Obviously you've completely missed the point of this thread if you feel you need to take a jab at OceanPacific's post.  

It is exclusive in that they do screen and be careful as to who they see as clients, just like ANY OTHER reputable provider.  So if this is not exclusive, even if it with a thousand other guys as you stated, what is?  

It sometimes becomes too common place to talk about k-girl's locations like they are just like a McDonald's that any Tom, Dick or Harry can walk into.  It's easy to put them in a different category because they are not like other independents.   People just need to be wary about sharing information, just like you would not share information about any other independent provider, as many others have stated.  We need to be smart.  There's a lot of information that's being thrown around out there.  I'd also like to say we shouldn't mention other k-girls names that work in the same apartment, people can add 1 plus 1 and get 2 very easily with these kinds of clues.

- Froomie

Froomie is right. As long as the K-girl cartel remains low key and discrete it may not attract unwanted attention from the kind of people who could shut it down if they chose to. After all, there are surely many prominent people in the telephone records who would like their private indiscretions to remain private. Just look at what happened with Heidi Fliess, David Vitter and the current problem in Miami...all resulted from indiscretion and blatant flouting of the law that almost forced LE to take action.

High profile activities, disruptions at apartment complexes full of families and indiscete comments in public discussion forums like this one could lead the people in power to decide that the "K-girl world" (or any other world for that matter) has become a public nuisance that must be shut down. It reminds me of a saying I once heard from a Japanese woman..."A nail that sticks up from a board usually gets hammered."

You've obviously completely missed the point.  I said nothing that knocks the screening process or suggests we should be spilling sensitive information in reviews or the boards.  I'm knocking the rhetoric that's so often thrown out there and parroted by many.

I think it's the guys that wax poetic about how wonderful it to be in the K-club and perhaps think they're special or privledged because they got past some screening that are more likely to be saying too much.  Wasn't that long ago where a number of over exhuberant guys were alway posting about K-girls, but have finally toned it down.

I'm not saying it's OP, he's just the latest guy to drop this "exclusive club" phrase and at least one other used it in the thread.  I'm just saying don't let it go to your head because it's got to be a big club to be supporting the number of girls that are and have been working for years.  So I for one know I am hardly a member of anything that's particularly exclusive.  Doesn't mean I don't know how to STFU when it comes to sensitive information.  Quite the contrary.

..but in my vast experience, the K-gals and their organizations are pros' pros and can definitely deal with anything. Still..doesn't hurt to make their job easier.

Either in reviews or on public boards like this. They do not want their names out there (so that someone can "connect the dots"). Phones can be traced so don't give out any more information than is stated in the ad.

Great posts all.

I took some heat initially for posting location as 'private residence' in the revs section. Naming streets or a 'familiar location' is just asking for it. I don't even like posting sub cities... just say LA. Each municipality has there own LE and saying the city name, especially smaller areas, is a ill advised IMHO.

Be freaking cool!
I have seen some really crazy obvious antics by hobbers as I am coming or going from an appt. One day I had to wait 20 minutes at a venue... it was hilarious but alarming. It looked like auditions for the Dos XX 'worlds most interesting man.' Lose the flowers, presents & especially the ascots! It's comically obvious.

Another practice to embrace or consider is... do not discuss the hobby with civilians... EVER! Even if your joker pal is dying of the DSB's (dreaded seamen buildup) FUCK HIM!