she is very pretty, beautiful body. In her phots maybe but when you show up she is 40 pounds heavier with a double chin. not so pretty then.
You continue with the appt. because the rocket is ready to launch and you don't want to abort the mission when you are allready on the launch pad. You make not make it into orbit but at least you'll get liftoff.
if she would show her real photos she would get more biz because there are a lot of guys on the DL who like chubs. And she wouldn't have guys mad for being fooled by old photos.

It's clear that 4 hobbyists in 2011/12 were disappointed that her photos are not representative of her current weight.
It's up to her to lay of the whoppers and hit the gym. She could also start using current photos, not the 3 year old versions if she doesn't want to get into shape.
The ball is in her court.

I know that looks are subjective, but I'm wondering if men in L.A. (a phenomenon I've not encountered in other cities) use looks as a way to demean a girl when you give low scores that aren't commensurate to their other scores. Is it a way to pay back for something you felt like you didn't get or something someone did to you that you didn't like?

There is a girl here who is very pretty, beautiful body and usually gets 8/9 for looks, but recently got a couple of 4's - one right after the other.

Now if you look at her other reviews and her photos you KNOW she isn't a 4. So what gives? Did you just dislike something she said? Her performance ratings are actually high, but looks are just at the bottom, although this is only a couple of 4's in a sea of 8/9's.

And why are these very disparate scores allowed by TER? I mean, it just SEEMS catty to me. I could be wrong.

I also know, in speaking with people, that if the review averages are high, they don't pay attention to the lower scores anyway, but still. It seems a tad vindictive and mean.

Just curious as to why someone would score someone that low (having seen their photos) and if you actually thought they were a 4, why would you continue with the appointment? Do you really want to see someone you'd rate 'okay if you're drunk.' That's what you pay good money for instead of turning around and walking out?

And then, again only in L.A., everyone else follows suite and you have then more 4 scores so now everyone in L.A. is okay with seeing someone who is only 'okay if you're drunk.'

I think it seems like a pattern. Anyone?

help. Lets face it, anyone can look great in a "glamor shot" with lots of touch up and photo shop. So it is not just a case of how old the pics are, its the professional Victorias Secret Catalog pictures that are very misleading. Let us see something more natural then we wont be disappointed when the door opens.

As an example, (I am not that great looking of a guy maybe a 6) but I photoshopped a picture of myself recently (just a test guys to see if I could turn myself into a 10) and after a little  messing around with photoshop , guess what, I was a 10, maybe even an 11.

So I would say lay off of those "model catalog
professional" pics and lets see something a little more real. Ok, it doesnt have to be too real, but you get the idea.

the skirt of an alias to post this , what is there to fear ,in any case the lady you referring to started a thread ,the matter was discussed for 2 or 3 days and at that point the lady asked for her OP to be removed which  automatically removed all the other comments and responses to the thread.

What are you trying to achieve with this link? If you want to discuss the rating system you may start by reviewing this provider's profile , read the reviews , check the scores and determine if the services provided and listed on the profiles warrants ,according to  TER's guidelines , the numerous 10's this provider has received in the past.

The provider saw fit ,for whatever reason to pull the thread, what are you trying to accomplish by your post ,it can only result in further unnecessary and unwarranted public  humiliation of the lady ?  

. . .  with this post, if that is your goal.  You're just reenforcing the disparity in expectations of her appearance between her ad and current weight.  Now everyone here will see she got another 4, and this time from a reviewer with a longer history.  You could see this coming after she boasted her phone was blowing up (and then proceeded to tell the members to piss off).

This is just little ol crying chicken little me but if I didn't know any better, this is the original poster for the original thread hiding behind an alias. For me it is just to coincidental that this would pop up. The words are too scripted and to contrived, too much detail in playing up the looks and such.

I had no beef with this provider when I put up my post but I felt I had a valid question(s) in that post.

It is to obvious..for me at least..then again I could always be wrong. BUT...



Beemer thinking too hard again.

over Christmas, I'd say her alias has been decoded and she is now reaping what she sowed! Karma Karma Karma!

I know myself that I've seen it happen MANY times.

And the LA board is known for using aliases, please allow me mine.

I read a thread about someone that I don't know personally but whose experience mirrors mine with regard to this.

It seems to me that this happens frequently in LA (and I've worked worldwide) and nowhere else. Once a girl gets a low score (most likely because the girl pissed him off, NOT because of looks) then the board MUST talk because then ALL OF A SUDDEN you see low scores pop up around normally high scores. I don't mean everyone starts posting low scores, NO, the scores remain average but for the few snarky, passive aggressive scores. It's like the Low Score Boys Club.

It's happening and everyone knows it. I'm not trying to bring anything up, just relating this BS to my own personal experience with LA.

The issue was that the reviewers said the website photos were not current or accurate.   This is something reviewers SHOULD point out, and if it happened more often then more providers would show current and accurate photos.   I don't care what anyone else gives for an appearance score - I and I alone will decide if the provider is of interest to me based on their photos, and my own tastes and preferences.    But I believe I should be entitled to make my decision based on an accurate representation in the website photos.

I have seen providers at M&Gs who consistently get high appearance scores.   And when i saw them in person they looked just like their website photos.  But I had already viewed their websites and had decided not to see them because for whatever reason I had concluded they were not my type.  I don't consider those high appearance ratings to be inaccurate - they just reflect the fact that every hobbyist has different tastes.  Those reviewers were entitled to their opinion and their rating, and I am happy for them that they thought they had seen such an attractive woman.

If a reviewer says the provider looked like her website photos, and gave her a 4 appearance score, I would conclude that that reviewer was a nut case and ignore their rating.  If I liked the look of the provider, I would see her anyway.

We need recent and accurate photos on websites and these type of situations will be rare to nonexistent

This really is not that difficult

It seems most dudes in the world think that J-Lo and Kim K are the bomb.   They really do nothing for me.    On the other hand, I find Cameron Diaz to be incredibly hot, though I realize many dudes like bigger boobs and booties on their ladies.  We are all entitled to our preferences.  But if you show me photos of the three of them I know which one I will choose to see, without regard to what the masses may think.

Another example - When Pamela Anderson first posed for Playboy I thought she was one of the most breathtaking females who had ever lived.   After her implants and other work, she just doesn't do it for me any more.    But i know many dudes love her DD boobs.    If Pamela became a provider today, and advertised by posting her original Playboy photos, then she showed up for the appointment with her current caricature features, I would not be happy about it.

and I say this from very personal experience (experiences that keep me from working in LA because I can't trust some men there to not act this way), but actually about using scores against women you don't like.

It cheapens the legitimacy of this site when you take your personal issues you  have with a provider who don't deserve it. And make no mistake, that is what happens in LA.

Forget about the girl that YOU'RE talking about, I'm talking about ME. I have always gotten extraordinarily good scores for my looks...UNTIL I WENT TO L.A. The scores that some of the men gave me there were astoundingly low because I had the nerve to piss someone off. I KNOW how you work there (some of you). All of a sudden I get to LA and my looks have changed? Hardly. I've worked in many, many, many cities and gotten reviews in every, single one of those cities and NONE matched what some men said about my looks in L.A.. And it's very apparent if you look at my very, very consistent reviews who I'm talking about. They are so low as to stick out in the high numbers that I get AND only when I worked in LA. Coincidence? I think not.

Either your idea of beauty is influenced by all of the plastic surgery bimbos there or you're just plain mean. I happen to think it's the latter.

Let me say that only a FEW of the men I met gave me low scores for looks (never for performance because with my achievement record, for lack of a better way to put it, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to make anyone believe that I wasn't as good as my ratings) which leads me to believe that the person I pissed off called his friends and told them the situation. It's the only explanation.

So, yeah, there is a real problem, L.A., and you need to know about it. It isn't one person that recognizes this as much as you'd love to believe that. It's a pattern and it's an ugly one.

It's a shame we can't talk about the men in those same rude terms, because I can tell you if we could? A lot of you guys would need to lay off more than just Whoppers from what I can see. Ahem.

Pardon the alias. I don't want to drag inadvertent attention to providers whom I recently reviewed.
With the previous threads and the poster's mention of two 4's in a sea of 8/9, I can easily pinpoint the provider in question. The dispute seemed to be that the two guys felt bait-N-switch because the lady is quite heavier than the pictures would suggest. But there are 2 major disconnects here: the profile says that the pics are accurate, yet also indicate baby fat. So there are some lies here. For those of us who have not seen that provider, we don't know who lied.
I'm small guy who is only compatible with thin ones, so I confine to those who list their weight, height and 3 measurements. So far, I have luck with every spinner I saw. Wonder if we can get TER to list those stats instead of vague description like "baby fat".

i think it was a different lady...or let me rephrase that:  i read both threads, eve, and i saw nothing to make me suspect that the one lady who hated when guys sent her "merry xmas" greetings was the same lady they are discussing here, who got a couple of bad reviews in a row.

but you are right, karma's a bitch and she don't care what kind of review you write, you'll wind up paying!!

i don't know you, or who you are, or what you look like, and i am sure you are a beautiful person, both inside and out.

and i bet if we spent time together i would enjoy it.

however, i have to take exception to your point.

los angeles is the beautiful woman capital of the world, for one reason alone:  it's the movie capital of the world.  it's where everyone who wants to be a star comes to get into show biz.

(caveat:  i'm in show biz)

so the regular person off the street is by odds alone probably going to be better looking here in los angeles than even in sf or sd or dc.  (ny might have a shot, because there's a show biz contingent there, too).

i go to auditions filled with incredibly gorgeous women on a regular basis.  it's the best goddam job in the world, getting to hang out and flirt with pretty girls.

and i've traveled many cities both in the us and abroad, and truth be told, the percentage of knock-out gorgeous people is much higher in los angeles than any other city i've seen. (both female and male, and to be honest, here in la, even that nebulous third category)

please, don't take everything i say literally or to the extreme:  sure, there's gorgeous people in other cities, but just not as many.  i've found that what people consider to be breath-taking in most towns is simply "pretty" here.  not there's anything wrong with "pretty."  it's just not "angelina jolie" gorgeous (or fill in your own fav actress/goddess).

of course there are people who are not beautiful who are trying to get into show biz here.  plenty of character actors who are not pretty.  and there are plenty of pretty people not trying to be in show biz here.  and plenty of ugly people too.

but all in all, the average number of head-turners is higher in los angeles than other towns.

also, many, many of the ladies here on this la board have remarked how kind, sensitive and gracious the men of los angeles are towards them, so i would take exception to your other point, too.

i am sorry you had a bad time here.  i'm not saying there' aren't jerks in los angeles.  i know there are, i was driving behind one earlier today.

but all in all, the women are prettier, and the men are nicer, and the broad generalizations are far more sweeping.

just my opinion.

Well ,Most women dont even come close to LOS ANGELES WOMEN . You might be a 10 score in Alabama  but in L.A.  you dont come close to it . I frankly disregard all scores from out of state women because the guys you see in your town have never been to L.A. to see the beautiful women here . Thats why models and actresses who come out here have in there dillusional mind tell themselves there beautiful till they go for there first interview and find out there is 1000 women at the interview that look better then you . Its a rude awaking but its the Truth . The truth hurts .

Los Angeles is the entertainment capital of the world. As such, we attract the most beautiful and engaging people on the planet. Those people mate with each other, and they produce a city with a beauty ratio that is simply off the charts. Just walk around the malls and restaurants of Beverly Hills, West L.A. and Santa Monica. You will see head-turner after head-turner. The only other place that even comes close is South Beach in wintertime and, even there, the beautiful people are represented in much smaller numbers.

So, yes, a "10" elsewhere is indeed a "6" or even lower in Los Angeles. It's just a fact of life. If you've spent a lot of time here and you don't agree, then you are just too caught up in your own self-centered world and you aren't paying attention to your surroundings.

Well said!! I agree 100%.... The truth hurts!

then, AGAIN, you need to broaden your world view.

Bleached hair, fake tans/nails/hair/boobs/face isn't actually the typical standard of beauty. It may be in your world, but that is not how the vast majority of the world sees beauty as evidenced by the high number of Central/South American women who win Miss Universe (that means world). Just to put it into perspective: For the last 10 years a blonde has one ONCE. The rest were dark haired, dark skinned women (well, one brunette with blue eyes won once). What happened California? Oh, that's right, L.A. wasn't the only one voting.

I have no idea why people see L.A. as so shallow and vacuous. Uh, duh.

Not only that, but to so narrowly define beauty makes you sound like a tool. As though not being a fake blonde with big tits means you're ugly or a 6. Yeah, tool.

By the way, we've gotten away from the actual point of the post which happens to be that a group of men in LA set out to maliciously malign someone using low numbers for looks because they are misogynistic, rude, men with a vendetta. Maybe they should step away from hobbying and the computer once in awhile and watch the pageant or something. You know, push the boundaries of their small world view.

first of all, we aren't saying "fake boobs blonde hair."  we are saying that the median average of beauty is higher in los angeles, simply due to such a standard being necessary for the main industry of los angeles (ie, show biz).

secondly, we are saying part of the phenomenon is the ratio of gorgeous to simply pretty to coyote ugle is much, much higher in la than other cities, making it seem like a "simply pretty" is still farther behind the "gorgeous" than in other cities, simply due to the sheer volume.

thirdly, you are the one who steered the course of the conversation away from the original post w/your "actually, this is a serious problem in la w/o specific regards to anyone" post.

and i still maintain that, simply from reading the posts of the ladies on this board, the gentlemen of los angeles are kinder, more geneours, more thoughtful and more gracious than other cities.  

so we aren't all that shallow, either sex.

Wow. Jealous much?  

Nobody said blonde & blue eyes except you. Fact is, we have EVERY nationality here in Los Angeles and, often times, we have more people from a particular country than anywhere except that country. (Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Mexico and Guatemala, for instance.) The beautiful people here come in all colors and all backgrounds. Not to mention the blacks, Hispanics, Asians and whites who were born & raised here.

But, as I said before, I wouldn't expect you to notice all of this rich diversity because, like most hot chicks, you are too caught up in your own self-centered existence to look beyond the mirror you use to fix your make-up.

about Los Angeles is "winning," then, yes dear, you won!  

interestingly, the last 3 reviews are 8-9 but each reviewer is a newbie without a review trail.

They are very suspect.

$$ = another jealous, pathetic swipe at the kgirls.

Please. They provide a service light years better than many indys and, as a whole, they are far more beautiful and in far better shape than many indys. Yeah. Better service. Lower cost. No wonder you complain. You can't compete with that.

Now will she file a problem report to have them removed? ... I wonder!

I have never seen this provider so cannot vouch for her. But it seems to me that scores cut both ways, sometimes too lenient and sometimes too harsh. For this case I'd say the two 4's are too harsh, because the 2 guys went there knowing full well the profile's "baby fat" description. What did they expect, a spinner? Why the over-reaction.
 While we sometimes hear of grade inflation, we seldom hear of deflation, which can sometimes destroy the girl. Look at the recent 6/6 grade by BurbankGuy44. Look at his own narrative. The poor girl gave him everything fit for a 9, to wit, DFK, BBBJ, DATY with cum, rimming, multi-pops. And the guy even said he was very pleased. Why 6? After that I tried to see the girl, but she had a breakdown, accordoig to booker. Some of the poor girls who work for K agencies can easily be sent to minor league (aka MP).
 I for one am very appreciative of all the providers and like to cut them slack as much as I can.

The lady in question here is not a kgirl -- at least not in the way we use that term. She is indy, American born, according to her own description.

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. I had 2 distinct paragraphs. The 1st refers to this provider in question. Yes, I know she's indie.
The 2nd parag talks about inflation vs deflation, and cites a totally different provider as example, and show how rediculously unfair the reviewer is. His own words show that the service is in the 8/9 range, by TER guidelines, but he gave a paltry 6, for no apparent reason. It's at best a callous neglect.

True, she's been around for a while and it's always been very easy to figure out from her pics and reviews that she's a lady that's on the bigger side.  I've also noticed that in a fair number of hasher reviews for any number of ladies,  that the guy feels the need to let us know they he's  fit, a good kisser, good looking, etc.  So at least some of the guys that write harsher reviews might be a bit too full of themselves.