I'm always fully booked when I tour LA. Now the past two trips my schedule is full a week prior to visiting and then BOOM two days before my trip, half if not 75 % cancel. Not only is it expensive to work in LA (hotels, advertising, traveling costs, etc) you're wasting everyone's time including your own. I'm about to stop touring LA all together. What's going on guys?????

Tax season is here.

It's not to the same degree (about 1/4 cancel or NCNS) and it doesn't affect me all that much because I have 2 agencies as backup and many regulars who I can reach out. I don't think it has ever happened this frequently in my last 3-5 years of hobbying. I am starting to stick with my regulars and P411 providers as much as possible. I am not sure what providers can do beside to treat this as part of business and raise their rate to cover their cost.

Corporate taxes due 3-15, individuals are 4-15.  Priorities can change once a guy finds out from his CPA how much he's on the hook for.

Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I told you "everyone gets a trophy" would take the world straight to hell!

True.

He's grabbing all the pussy so there's none left?

a lady visiting from Texas has a cancellation in the near future and remembers to check her wait list for my name and contacts me for the 2 hour fantasy I requested.  Staring at my dreamcatcher and looking for a butterfly in my house in anticipation of her message.

Hope things pick up for you.

Guys see your ads.  You are smoking hot, so they just jump right at it.  As the day approaches they realize that the money they would have to spend on your rate could be better spent elsewhere.  They've spent the last couple weeks jerking off to your stunning photos and the need to actually see you is no longer as intense.  There's a lot of that going around as the hobby becomes more popularized and middle income dudes come into it. It wasn't a problem when the average rate for top tier girls was $300 to $400.  I'm not saying you should change your rate structure, it just seems like it's more of a problem for the top end ladies.  It's just the nature of the business.

I think guys book a 600 date and then a 400-500 pops up they like and take it. Not even close to saying your over priced but guys are guys

I was thinking the same thing... I agree 100 % lol

Ashley your hot

After they have time to think on it, well that could be the case. I don't have a strong answer for you.
But I guess cause I've been around and that I'm savvy enough not to call or commit if I can't afford to play. I know my limitations and I wouldn't want to waste anyone's time. I feel for you as you lost time and dinero.
I don't know how Vegas plays out for you, but if I ever made an appointment with you while I'm there, you can bet your last donut that I wouldn't cancel.
Hang in there.

Your pictures are so hot but perhaps your prices are not.  Lot's of K-gals here in LA for 50% less than your price of admission.  Just my two cents and you are lovely and I'd love to meet you!

Sorry you're having so much trouble.  Doesn't speak well for us LA Hobbyists.  Just my personal character, but when I book, I keep my dates.  I always hope the Provider feels the same but I understand that "stuff happens."  But most excuses I get from Providers rate with the "my dog ate my homework" excuse.  I'd love to see you, your pictures are hot but your prices are not. So...I won't waste your time.

I would rather move to a different place than lower my rates because I'm worth every single penny. I'm not a "k-girl", I'm not Russian, I'm a real established provider. Now I know some of you cannot afford the rate which is fine. From the girls I've met here, I'm seriously NOT impressed by any means. I know most of you lower your standards because you can't afford a certain rate, which again is fine. It's a simple economic structure. Charging more money creates less volume. I'm not talking about people being able to afford my rate because I stay plenty busy. I'm talking about the amount of FLAKES there are in LA (and sometimes OC as well as far as time wasters). So to all the men commenting on my rates please save your BS for someone else because that's the lamest excuse I've ever heard in my life. I also have heard from several girls they aren't busy AT ALL so they either cancel their tour and stop touring so much in the area OR lower their rates to appease the "market". I have no empathy for ignorance or for men taking ladies and providers for granted and/or treating them badly because of their own insecurities.I know it's a simple "you're a dime a dozen" thought process to most of you since you view women as being so easily disposable. To tell someone "your prices are not hot" is the most ignorant comment I've ever heard. You guys are PAYING to spend time with a lady of your choice. YOUR choice!!! You are paying US so you should probably treat it with more respect instead of talking down and being so rude. We're all here for one reason or another. We are also human, so since the non gentleman like to treat us like a product, we can just as easily treat you like an asshole. Oh but wait!!! You would then complain we didn't treat you like a "King". This is two way street so when someone makes a statement like that, it's really just them being oblivious to other people's situations (including your own), creating something they think the masses with agree with, and trying to make themselves feel better for not being able to afford a higher priced lady.

You're comparing an apple to an orange. We are two totally different worlds apart babe

Your price of $600 seems ok for your rating of Looks 9.03 / Performance 8.33 - I would characterise both as pretty blue collar but I would take issue with your assessment of other girls here in LA - There are plenty that are one solid class ahead of you and a lot of them only book one client a day (as oppose to the revolving door on some "visiting gals"). Also, How is your communication? All buttoned up and perfect or pretty ragged? I have heard it's the second one... The answer is pretty simple in my mind, If you don't like the clients in LA then quit touring here...

There are so many gorgeous ladies in L.A. both in and out of the hobby, it really can be like a kid in a candy store for some folks.  It makes it hard for touring ladies.  I know it's a business risk, but you may want to shorten the lead time on your advertising visits here. That would mean less time for guys to flit about while they wait to see you.  That may cut some of the last minute cancellations, but I've heard from a few ladies that business is slow anyway, so who knows?

Brother - If you're tripping on the price, check 411 - She offers half hour appointments and discounts on top of that - Very affordable for the Hobbiest on a budget...

It's slow everywhere...not just LA but over here on the east coast as well. I've spoken to agency owners and independents here and they're all bitching about how slow it is. Dunno the exact cause but someone mentioned tax season and that could have something to do with it. But this industry is an "ebb and flow" industry and unfortunately right now it's "ebb".

I suppose our ideas of different ladies are our own opinion. As far as my communication goes as being "ragged", could you please elaborate? I respond within 15mins of any text I receive unless it's after 11pm, I'm very polite, I give out all and any info needed. I have no idea in what world that is to be considered "ragged".

They are both based on donations. Is it possible that they changed their mind when budget reality set in?

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"I would rather move to a different place than lower my rates because I'm worth every single penny. I'm not a "k-girl", I'm not Russian, I'm a real established provider. Now I know some of you cannot afford the rate which is fine. From the girls I've met here, I'm seriously NOT impressed by any means. I know most of you lower your standards because you can't afford a certain rate, which again is fine. It's a simple economic structure. Charging more money creates less volume. I'm not talking about people being able to afford my rate because I stay plenty busy. I'm talking about the amount of FLAKES there are in LA (and sometimes OC as well as far as time wasters). So to all the men commenting on my rates please save your BS for someone else because that's the lamest excuse I've ever heard in my life. I also have heard from several girls they aren't busy AT ALL so they either cancel their tour and stop touring so much in the area OR lower their rates to appease the "market". I have no empathy for ignorance or for men taking ladies and providers for granted and/or treating them badly because of their own insecurities.I know it's a simple "you're a dime a dozen" thought process to most of you since you view women as being so easily disposable. To tell someone "your prices are not hot" is the most ignorant comment I've ever heard. You guys are PAYING to spend time with a lady of your choice. YOUR choice!!! You are paying US so you should probably treat it with more respect instead of talking down and being so rude. We're all here for one reason or another. We are also human, so since the non gentleman like to treat us like a product, we can just as easily treat you like an asshole. Oh but wait!!! You would then complain we didn't treat you like a "King". This is two way street so when someone makes a statement like that, it's really just them being oblivious to other people's situations (including your own), creating something they think the masses with agree with, and trying to make themselves feel better for not being able to afford a higher priced lady."

I only post my tour dates for incall 3-8 days a month lol (and that's spread out within the month). The reason for that is the very thing you just said! I've been doing this awhile and I totally agree with the "kid in a candy store". The market is really oversaturated. I've done well here in LA, it's just the past month has been mostly cancellations so I lose out on the money for advertising costs and hotels. I'm do not feel safe under any circumstance letting someone into my home for appts (no matter how thorough screening is ive still heard night mare stories and I myself have had my fair share of stalkers and I don't even work from my home). That's my sacred space and I cherish it dearly. I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to speak to me like a human instead of bashing me. Thank you very much

Their wives find out

If you're touring an extra-flaky area, you may have to give fatter discounts, but only if the customer keeps his appt and shows up.  
Don't give prebooking discounts. Give bigger show-up discounts.
Even though both discounts are effectively the same, the perception of the discount is kinda different.
When you freely hand out prebooking discounts, guys take it for granted because they have the discount up front.  
When you make it sound like an attendance discount, there may be a subliminal desire to 'work' for that discount by showing up.  
Flakes will be flakes, but it may help.

And the advice you've given is based on your experience as an escort?

You will never waste your time, or $ again.  75% cancel on you putting forth thousands to tour, advertise, etc.. is no bueno.  Many providers require half their rate to cancel, but I am sure this is not easy to collect.  Deposits to book should be normal.  Dr's require deposits, photographers, childcare, dog care, so why should reserving an entertainer be any different?

Your pics are breathtaking, your performance ratings very solid.  But YOU posed the question, m'dear, and if some of the answers are not what you'd like to hear, a sure way of alienating the responders is to vilify them.  And, may I add, it might have broader impact, since others reading the post might say, "hm, I think I'd prefer not to be lumped into that category....  wonder what that new KGirl who is rated 10/9 and asking $250 is doing..."

I don't think your rates are out of line, but it does limit clientele to those who can afford the luxury of your company. A drop on rate will likely in a drop in quality of customer.  

Every girl that works in this industry has their own goals. I feel like their WAY underpriced ESPECIALLY if someone is taking a cut (which with these girls is usually the case). So how much are they even making?! The amount they do this for is sad and it's sickening and the clients that see them contribute to the sadness. How are we as a society to price a person so low? I know I'm not going to like every opinion and I can also express my reply to these opinions. Do whatever you want, just know I'm not a Kgirl so you absolutely cannot compare me to them whatsoever. I'm not discussing rates, in discussing flakiness. As in, book and appt and then suddenly cancel. It's rude and it's inconsiderate. You guys have zero empathy for the girls in this business and it's disturbing

$600 hr isn't really THAT much in the LA market, but getting on her high horse is NOT the way to endear herself to the community.

I have done a 180 since then babe. Not only do I look completely different (hair, face, boobs, body- I workout hard almost every day), I changed my menu from non gfe to basically PSE. I'm not the girl that says "oh I'm hot give me money". I quite literally busted my ass in every single way to get to where I am today. The majority of the girls do NOT compare so just enough. I haven't met the girls you've reviewed, in talking about the girls I've personally met here

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So when I'm being berated I'm supposed to sit down and shut up? Yeah ok 👍

but when a woman makes it clear about just how much disdain she has for both her sister providers and her clients alike, personally I take a wide berth.

Most of these "poor abused" K-girls manage to save that much during each visit here.

As they say in the book Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes - "there you have it"...

You mean you've done a 180.  Doing a 360 means you're in the same spot.  You may be hot, but maybe not so bright.  

Have you ever written a review or do you just troll TER and comment negatively on literally EVERYONE???? Go be a dickhead to someone else please

flaking, ghosting, is more common than you think, because it's easy.
Try a dating app and you'll see.

You said yourself you research the shit out of potential dates. You clearly didn't research me at all lmao

All I know is in so grateful for my regulars whom I love dearly!! Thank you to all those gentleman that honor their word and treat myself and the other ladies with MUTUAL respect. Love you guys!!!!

Now if you had kept this same tone during the actual thread, you might not have encountered such push back.

I completely agree that your safety is not worth compromising just to save a few bucks on an incall.

I have to agree with everyone else except not just taxes. I think timing is a big key, but a lot of people are getting hit hard with taxes. Same thing happen to me in NY, which is so expensive. Just timing..

Not going to let strangers sit there and degrade me because they don't like that I said I get flaked on. That's literally all I said and I got bashed so yes, I started to get hostile because I'm not letting anyone degrade me. Now have you gotten that long overdue hug yet? I'm done arguing, I've made my very valid points as everyone else has also. Have a great night and a fabulous week!

I live in Orange County, Hobby in LA and Travel extensively for both work and pleasure. From time to time (particularly during the slow season) I have had providers reach out to me to entice me into a date. I was snowboarding up in Mammoth over the holidays when I received an invitation from someone I had only heard whispers of previously and knew very little about. I had tried to reach out to her a few times in the past through a 3rd party but with no response – Then, out of the blue, I get an email inviting me for a date. I was driving home the next day and could easily divert through LA so I figured ‘why not’.  
   I explained to her the condition I would probably be in after riding in the morning and then powering 5 hours in the car – she just laughed and said she was up for it. I woke up early, found my powder stashes and bolted out of there. My friends were tripping but I told them the forecast looked bleak and I was out. I made it to LA in 4 ½ hours and rolled to her in-call looking and smelling like a dead Opossum with my outerwear still on. I grabbed my backpack and headed in (thinking there was a 50% chance she would turn me around when she saw me - or smelled me).  
   She opened the door all smiles, gave me a big hug and sent me to the showers. She was so hot, I should have felt a little intimidated but there was something more there that I could feel and it made me really chill and relaxed… So, I dropped my Orange envelope on the table and proceeded to shower. When I got out of the shower, she had food prepared and was like “you must be hungry after the day you’ve had”. The food was amazing and the Corona’s tasted insane (did I mention the big bucket of Coronas?) After we ate I brushed my teeth and while I was coming out she asked what I wanted to do. She seemed chill so I thought I would suggest something INSANE! Me - Hey, I just recently got hooked on Homeland, Do you have Showtime. Her answer – Yes let’s jump in bed and watch it, what’s it about?  
   Through our pervious communication I learned she was a very intelligent girl - VERY intelligent. As we were headed to the bedroom I saw she was reading King Leopold's Ghost - which I had recently finished and I had only told a few people I had read and loved. I asked her about it and other books that she had read and she was so spot on – it was scary…  
   Most providers who don’t know me would be twitching at this point thinking “don’t you like me?” ‘Why aren’t we fucking yet?” but she was 100% into Homeland and just the perfect companion. Halfway through the 2nd episode I reached over and we started kissing. The only way I can describe what happened next is that we made passionate love for the next 50 minutes. When we were finished – we carried on watching Homeland, talking about life and sapping Coronas…  
   Next thing I know, I am waking up at 1145pm with her laying next to me engrossed in Homeland and still sipping on a Corona. She doesn’t say a word but reaches over and puts her hand on my chest, kisses me, then we are at it again. I crawled out of her place at close to 2am – kissing her goodbye like we were college lovers and trying to convey to her how impressive I thought she was. I drove home and was in bed by 3am. The next morning I wake up to an email from her saying what a great time she had and how she wanted to have another date as soon as possible and that she had feelings for me…  
   I hit her back with – “What would it cost to take you SUPing or surfing for the whole day?” She replied – “Have you looked through your backpack yet?” I thought – Oh shit my whole life is in there, I’m probably fucked! I went out to my car and grabbed my backpack and when I went through it – the only unordinary thing was my orange envelope that I had left on her table at the start of the date was in my backpack’s front pocket along with the $2500 that was in it with a sticky note saying she had such a good time she could not accept and would not accept in the future. I emailed her – “Hey that was yours!” “WTF”. She just hit me back with – “So when are we going surfing?” along with a few insights on King Leopold's Ghost…

If that doesn't kill off this thread - Nothing Will!!!

If you don't want to be degraded, you should not have degraded the local market the way you did, both our hobbyists and our local providers.  

you told us this one last year.  Did you type the whole thing over again, or just cut and paste?

Cut and paste - Just thought a long boring story would kill this thread off - Lol

Like many have said above, it's supply and demand.  In LA we are blessed with a variety of ladies to spend our time with.   I'm betting most of us have a budget as well.  So every guy has to decide on where to spend it.   2 lady's at $300 each is 2 hours of playtime compared to one lady for one hour...  for me the math is easy.  More so when I'm seeing local lady's that I've seen before, and going back for a return visit.  I've found while sometimes the 'new' is worth it, most times not.  Same with the 'rate creep' that's been going on.  Good on the girls that raise their rates, and shoot for a better quality client.  It does mean it cuts some of us guys from seeing you... but maybe that's the point.  

Yes!! She played me like the fiddle that I am...

Yikes! My question to guys this happens to, is there a point at which you knew and didn't care? I wouldn't know how to do this if I wanted to, which I don't cuz it's pretty crappy, but wow. How talented is that? I have zero skill in that area. If you're looking for a cute girl who very smart, but more of an "idiot savant" smart, liklier to spout off Latin names of trees than con you out of your money, I'm your gal. LOL

Much as I love latin names and the Krebs Cycle - It's complicated...

I tried to book, didn't get any response after a few messages back and forth through p411.  Sorry, I tried, it ended up sounding bitter lol XOXO

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