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pinetree101 29 Reviews 410 reads
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I agree there are some sell outs:
exotic-f****-f**
lot*****rit

are just a few...

I will probably get a few more complains in my PM box from these two... lol...

I think it is courageous that you are honest and objective about your reviews and I can say that your reviews have helped me...

That also says a lot about Rozel... she is heavily booked probably because your review...

Hang in there...

Okay now I am officially pissed off. The reason we are on this site is to help each other out. Experiences vary, but we have to be honest and helping out my fellow hobbyists is more important than promoting some provider, whom I don't ask for discounts and don't expect them.
I'm naming names even if it costs me appointments.
Today I made an appointment with Lita, and her Booker Jenny gave me a time available and to confirm it by calling her back. 3 calls and a couple of texts later,she finally says no go, to call her.
She then says she is only the Booker, but her boss says no more appointments for me because I don't always give good reviews. She then says she has never had a complaint from her girls, that I am nice and tip well, but when I don't give very good reviews then the provider doesn't get business, and some quit.
This is my fault? I don't even know who is really in her stable, but damn I just looked at my reviews and while not all are raves, I recommend most because connections vary.
So now we all have to give "the time of my life" reviews? Excuse me but FUCK that!
I refuse to become the guy who sells out and gives experience a 10/9 because this may be the only way I get laid.
So guys, I guess you better watch your reviews because being honest, while helpful to us, may get you blacklisted.
Just my rant and do you blame me?

While there are always two sides to all stories. Maybe she had a legitimate reason
for canceling, but maybe she didn't. We definitely do not want to end up with
a website where all the reviews are rigged/not accurate because we are afraid of backlash or
not getting a referral from them or not getting to see a girl in the future because she only takes
the guys who review favorably, in spite of other reviewers rating that girls very low.

Can't blame you, if that's the way it went down.

I say we boycott unless the Booker gives a damn good reason!  I bet some of the guys know whois in what stable!  And Taquito has always come across on the board, and in reviews, and in PMs as a level headed guy.  As he says, FUCK THAT!

don't you actually believe that it happens only with agencies??  if a hobbyst is asked for the ter handle he can certainly expect the girl to go thru his review history and most gals out there do not like to see reviewers who give at times low scores.

-- Modified on 6/6/2011 6:18:51 PM

The StudMuffin432 reads

You never know when you need to post up a 5-6 in looks as a warning to the troops.

Lots of the K-crowd are overinflated for this very reason. Not necessarily by much but my 7's regularly get 8-9's.

Tacodude has always been a reliable barometer for me so i'm bummed he got dorked this way.

Thanks. Quite honestly when I look at reviews there are some hobbyists I won't read because every review is a 9/9. It burned me up because I asked the Booker to tell me the truth, if I had been mean or some girl reported something that happened, which would be the furthest thing from the truth because I would never do anything threatening or disrespectful to a woman.
The things is, even if this is a case of mistaken identity, it's a horrible way of doing business, and I know that the people who allegedly are complaining from my reviews benefitted from my good ones.

Sorry to hear about this. As a relative newbie to LA scene I have been splitting time between indies and kgirls. And though I love the kgirls, this type of padding of reviews seems a lot more prevalent and bookers do ask me for my TER handle to check out my reviews. Appreciate all your reviews and we gotta be honest for this thing to work, there's plenty of talent here in LA to help keep it real!

I would expect  a person to be honest Especially in a review. Damn thats some shady shit if you ask me. No dont lie in the review and fuck kissing ass. If something wasn't good why would you say it's the greatest. Some dont like the truth because it hurts. Seems like people have a lot of growing up to do. Im sorry that happened. But theres always someone better and honest!

Amsterdam

whata-hobby390 reads

Hell no I don't blame you!! The thing I enjoy so much about this site is the HONEST opinions, conversations & reviews!!  This may sound a little twisted, but there is a "sense of community".......camaraderie if you will, on here. I appreciate ALL THE HELP & feedback I get on her. If it was tainted with false reviews, the integrity of TER is shot in the ass. Hell, if I was a provider & got a bad review, I would appreciate the constructive criticism & I would try that much harder!! Sorry it happened dude...........BUT KEEP DOING THE RIGHT THING!!! We all appreciate it!!!

G2404 reads

The only recourse is to do what you did- go public.  Then boycott them and see independent ladies instead.

As someone else said, this is the problem with giving out your alias.  But the TER system does allow for you to post with one alias and review with another, as you probably know, and this was the original thinking behind allowing multiple aliases.

The problem of "ratings creep" has been discussed many times before.  But this is the real world implication of what happens when 7's or 8's get accustomed to being called 9's or 10's- you get banned if you don't play along and perpetuate the myth.

I say move on and give your business to the independent women that deserve your support.

You were spared the time and money of a less than positive date - that's what TER is about. Now you'll still have the funds to go find a gal who is honest to her review scores.

I consider that a save. Thanks for the hundred plus honest reviews.

I agree there are some sell outs:
exotic-f****-f**
lot*****rit

are just a few...

I will probably get a few more complains in my PM box from these two... lol...

I think it is courageous that you are honest and objective about your reviews and I can say that your reviews have helped me...

That also says a lot about Rozel... she is heavily booked probably because your review...

Hang in there...

Friendly fire... but acquire some eggs my piney comrade if you are going to imply my handle and inference of the 'sell out' moniker.

It just 'shows to go ya...' how wildly different each individuals experience is. I have found for example that Lostuspirits revs are always ones that I can count on. We have had many great conversations and i now consider him a TER pro and a friend. LotusSpirit and many others seem to like the same kind of Kg providers and have similar experiences. I have learned quite a bit from him & other very seasoned TER members about the finer points of enhancing my experience in hobbying, particularly within the K girl scene which is frankly very different from the independent scene.

The reviews for the Kg agency girls are more germane to their business. I have seen some killer girls get bounced off the bottom hard and split because of bad revs & my experience leaves me with the notion that the K hobbers are hyper sensitive to revs. Kira is a classic example of a girl that started under a different name... I was one of her 1st clients via a great booker. She pulled some very marginal revs on appearance. I was laughing hysterically thinking... 'WTF do these jokers want?' Long and short of it is time passes she splits comes back changes agencies and all of the sudden is getting stellar revs all north of 7 and mostly 9's.

The point is here she just could have split but hung in there and all of this was a direct result of unwarranted bad reviews and overly sensitive response or lack os response by hobbers to those revs. So... all you cat's who saw her... and had a great time... & then raved in your reviews... could have been potentially denied that great experience if it weren't for her courage and perseverance through some harsh cheese bag-ian 'C'mon bitch please me!!!' reviews and that subsequent fall out.

Holly is another (IMHO) STELLAR K girl I read a review of and was just shaking my head. The hobber was saying that he contemplated leaving when he got there as he did not care for her look, going on to un-neccesarily bash her in a extremely mean spirited way, & seemingly not even factoring in that she is person... & most of all a young woman.

His marks were very low... that's his prerogative but his scores are not in line with the rest of her very good scores. POINT HERE... if you don't like the girl for whatever the reason then DO LEAVE and call and tell the booker who would be more than understanding. I have found all of the bookers to be very understanding and appreciative of honesty and other situational elements that occur in booking, cancellations, bad experiences or what have you.

Scores/Ratings: If I have a problem or bad initial impression... I leave, never have but I would. I have had some bait & switch dates, and less than thrilling experiences but... I don't take it out on the girl. I call the booker and respectfully express my concerns like a man. These completely cowardly at times bashings of these girls are so freaking cowardly it is comical. The girl has no say in the matter or ability to utter on word in her defense... she just has to take it, and sadly has to take it in the pocket book. Grrrrrreaaaaaat! Ohhhh Yeaaaahhh Big man... has to take a swing at the 5'3 98lb 25 year old GIRL. It is pretty pathetic in my view... but who gives a rats rear right?

The overall point here to the initial thread poster and other subscribers to his notions is... try and think of the impact of the words in the revs from every perspective, i.e. provider, booker, mgr, hobber and yourself. Are you lashing it out because you are in a pissy mood, or that the provider did not like the cut of your jib... but wildly negative or overtly low ratings comparative to existing ratings just says 'the dude is grumpy...' Does not help.  

So yadda & yadda... TAKE INVENTORY and consider the impact if your words.

I have been fortunate to have had routinely great experiences with the gracious Kg community... I take personal inventory of those experiences and always find a giant pile of gratitude when I am done. Gratitude for them being here.  You give what you get... the more you give the more you get.

I am not endorsing the girls mentioned or do I have any affiliation. I would rather see the scene thrive and grow out of respectful interaction rather than cowardly strong arming.

CHEERS EFF

Posted By: pinetree101
I agree there are some sell outs:
exotic-f****-f**
lot*****rit

are just a few...

I will probably get a few more complains in my PM box from these two... lol...

I think it is courageous that you are honest and objective about your reviews and I can say that your reviews have helped me...

That also says a lot about Rozel... she is heavily booked probably because your review...

Hang in there...

I avoid any girls that base her biz to reviews. I prefer to see those who have a no reviews policy then. I never made the mistake to share my handle with them...

I was considering a session with a k-girl.  Not specifically Lita but I know quite a few share bookers.  I'd rather not reward this type of behavior either.  Does anyone know which booker this is and who the relevant providers would be?

Another guy did this with in another thread.  It was a different booker then the one now in question.  The guy was trying to be helpful to other hobbyists, but the booker saw the post and didn't see it that way.  She wasn't able to contact the guy direct but recognized my handle as part of the thread.  I book through her a lot, but chit chat.  When I book, conversation is short and to the point.  She never calls me unsolicted, so this was obviously a big deal to her.  She asked if I could PM the guy and have him delete his post.  She says, "I'm not an owner, I'm just a booker" she didn't want possible LE attention (whether real or imagined) drawn to her because of this stable of young ladies she was associated with.

HeWhoKnowsAll433 reads

im sure you already know but all the kgirl bookers and agencies and owners monitor TER.  and the girls in turn talk to the bookers and give intel on the clients.   one of the ways bookers know your TER handle.  so don't tell the girl your TER handle and be vague in your reviews.  alot of hobbyists get too full of themselves and start bragging their TER handle to the girl.  a mistake.  their sense of awe of you is just BS to get you to tell them their TER handle.

you still have a shot with Lita or Lita herself (most kgirls are independent) or her shop owner.   if you have a regular kgirl that you can still see then ask her to talk to Lita or Lita's shop owner on your behave and to vouch for you.  most kgirls know each other.  so if your regular is friends with Lita or her agency then you will be able to get back in.  another way is to ask one of the veteran hobbyists to vouch for you.  most are so into their ATF that they let themselves get involved in the business so have some power to allow you to back in.  

on a final advice, stop ranting and bitching.

kgirl industry is a small world and isolated one.  and while they may not all like or know each other they still try to protect each other.

but in a different sense.  I think it comes through at times in some guys reviews - both high raters as well as those who choose not to be "vague" or more "diplomatic" when they knock a girl.  I also agree about the ranting and bitching as well (and some of the agencies probably view some negative review comments as such).  Like it or not, it is what it is.

and don't see anything that should get him turned down.  Pretty bad when agencies and girls freak out over 7s.  And like he says, he still recommended a number of those girls and explained why they just weren't the best match for him.  Those are fair reviews and worth more than the overly hyped.

kgirl_loverboy387 reads

I understand your frustration, this has happened to me as well.  With the volume of clients wanting to book girls you'd think they don't care about reviews but they do.  They invest a lot of money to bring these girls over, and one mediocre review can bring a girls business to a standstill.  But the reality of it is --- the REVIEWERS are also to blame.  The scores have been inflated so much, for so long, that a 7 is not a good score!  I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, but unfortunately the agencies do monitor the reviews and if they know your username, you can get blacklisted.  Or one of the girls could have painted you in a bad light, so it may not be just a review that's at issue.  If u did anything to piss off one of these girls, you could be marked as unsafe/risky for them, and they don't want any trouble.  Frankly there's been way too many posts regarding kgirls and it's getting to be a safety issue.  There is way too much insider info laid out in the open.  Everyone needs to back up a bit.  You just listed a girls name and her Booker -- that is not helping the situation.  Another TER member sent me a private PM and told me he's been blacklisted.

Everyone really needs to tone down the rhetoric on kgirls -- it's drawing too much attention.


I completely understand your point but frankly this site does not exist to bring K-girls and their bookers business to allow them to bring more k-girls over here to generate more business.  It exists so that we can have an honest, open discussion about the services being provided.  For lack of a better phrase, we hobbyists are supposed to provide honest critiques of these ladies and should not expect repercussions in the form of blacklisting if we do.  If hobbyists are blacklisted, then there will be a tendency to stop providing honest reviews and what was a 6 or 7 in service now becomes an 8 or 9.  That is wrong and should not be countenanced.  If k-girls and their bookers are pulling this crap, then they HAVE to be called out on it and we hobbyists should blacklist them so to speak.  If they start losing business, they may think twice of pulling this crap.

You are not the only one who is getting the raw deal.  Some bookers blocked me also for the same reason.  These mercenaries think that we are just their ATM machines and they will do anything for money including blocking honest reviewers.  Refusing services to honest reviewers will lead to less satisfying experiences for all of us since we can't rely on TER reviews anymore.  

How can some guys never have a 7 score  in their reviews?  Do everyone he sees are model materials and sex machines?  That is a full of shi+.   TER should ban reviewers who only give out 8-10s.

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