Men of LA ...
Why do you guys insist of contacting me to make a booking but refuse to be verified. You guys are killing me.You know the drill follow it. Give me a strength. AlleyI've got to get better with this...no wonder I can't get a date if my life depending on it.
You are one super fun date!!
And it takes two,I couldn't have done it without you..
Mad kisses your way!
Now let's beat this joint and get a room...lol...Miss ya.
there are competitors that have lighter screening than you, they are going to get the customers. You have a choice of either relaxing your screening to take some market share, or maintain your standards and let others have that share of the business. Its the way any kind of industry works, but I know its not what you want to hear. The easier you make it to buy, the more business you'll get. Just look at Amazon if you need convincing.
With that said, you're (indies collectively) losing a lot of business to agency girls because screening is the most stressful part of hobbying for we hobbyists. If you could figure out a cooperative way where a hobbyists could get screened with one girl and have access to many others, like the agencies do, then you would get more business. If I get screened by an agency booker, I'm good to see any girl working their for the next several years, providing I do enough business periodically for them to retain my records in their files.
With that said, you're (indies collectively) losing a lot of business to agency girls because screening is the most stressful part of hobbying for we hobbyists. If you could figure out a cooperative way where a hobbyists could get screened with one girl and have access to many others, like the agencies do, then you would get more business. If I get screened by an agency booker, I'm good to see any girl working their for the next several years, providing I do enough business periodically for them to retain my records in their files.
And, though agencies may provide you an ease with the process, it is because records are kept on you. In a book , on a computer, etc. That is why it's a one shot deal. Which again if you have nothing to lose and don't care who gets ahold of your info what will it matter if and when it does?
As an independent I screen but keep no records beyond a p411 ok. I don't save phone numbers, texts, emails...nothing.
If someone wants to see me with no screening or wants to wiggle past that part I assume they aren't safe and therefore simply aren't my type. Not all business is good business and it isn't an amazon "buy this book" transaction. This is my life and my time and I'm sharing that with only those who respect it. A true gentleman wants to make sure we are both comfortable before the meeting.
If you think screening is stressfull try getting arrested, running into a pimp, getting robbed, or all the numerous possible scenarios that desperate people bring upon themselves and I suppose weigh your options. It melts my brain to see this conversation come up, and for any hobbyist to tell any girl they will lose work because they screen is just "doing it wrong"
we can have fun without being stupid
Not all money is good money. I can't count the number of idiots who request to see me with absolutely NO screening, they all say something like... "I'm a good guy, you can trust me."
I am very clear and specific on my ads and website:
"I trust that a gentleman understands a woman's need to ensure her safety and comfort. With that said, Screening is Required. If you are uncomfortable sharing your information with me ... please seek another companion with lower standards."
I call them idiots, because it doesn't get any more clear than that.
Idiots are a turn off.
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the agencies screen, so I will explain. Once you are screened through your work information and have had a successful session, i.e., the girl you saw reports back to the agency that you are a respectful gentleman, the only information they keep on you in their computer is your first name and burner phone number. Should you have a subsequent problem where you are less than a gentleman with a girl, you get blacklisted.
So even though YOU don't keep my screening information, P411 will, and all of their employees who come and go will have access as well; People that I don't know who will know I am a hobbyist and may decide to use that information for personal gain. Doesn't sound so safe or private to me
...as you think. I've never had a burner phone; I've been on TER for over 14 years and have never had a problem.
And why are you trashing P411? What do you know about their operation? You're just speculating to make the K-girl bookers look better.
P411 doesn't share info with other agencies. But K-girl bookers DO share info with each other. How do you know WHO has your work information, telephone number and email address
Im not a K-girl, obviously so the low screening standards or lack of standards don't apply to me (thank dog)
however, if anyone thinks agencies don't keep your personal info, you have been hoodwinked. We all believe what is convenient for us, to a degree...
In the past I've worked for agencies (though again, not a k-girl)
As an independent I've even had to use agencies as a reference. It's kind of like a mafia of sorts with agencies, and trust me they keep records. we have all heard of sting operations and it is agencies that get "picked on" esp ones with a large number of imported people, because you have more than one potential legal issue at hand. How many times have the lists of people come up that have used these agencies?
Maybe the k-girls have it all written in korean so it's more difficult to crack but all it takes is one translator..
Anyway I stand by my first comment that anyone who thinks that little or no screening is "better" is taking risks we all don't want to take. There all all kinds out there, I guess so sure, you can find ladies who don't care about screening but that probably isn't the only thing they don't care about
different world at the Kgirl agencies. Everything you THINK you know is probably wrong. They bear absolutely no resemblance to traditional escort agencies. Its a completely new business model.
share work information. For a reference check they just say whether or not they recognize the cell phone number as that of a legit hobbyist. ONLY if they CAN'T verify the number do they ask for more, but they ask for it from the hobbyist, not another booker. Only one booker ever got my work information, and I have never used him as a reference with another booker. A Kgirl booker can ONLY check the references you provide, not the ones they don't know about. No one has my email address either, except a few indies I have seen. I really don't care if everyone has by burner phone number. Its not tied to an account in my name anywhere.
I'm not trashing P411, but I know that they keep files on their customers that contain way more information than what I am willing to give. That makes them much more intrusive into my privacy than a Kgirl booker. I passed on P411 as soon as I saw what they wanted to know about me. That's all I really need to know about them. Do you think because P411 has your personal information and not the girl, you are safer? They don't have a dog in the hunt. A Kgirl booker who violates your privacy is finished, because any of us would let other hobbyists know the booker can't be trusted. There org would be finished. What does P411 lose if THEY violate your privacy? Its insignificant by comparison.
With all due respect to your 14 years on TER, I would venture to say I am one of the highest volume hobbyists here, spending close to six figures (and a few years more than six) on my hobbying annually, so I have been there and done that on almost every aspect of the business in my eight+ years as a hobbyist. The financial aspect does not make me unique as there are guys spending way more than me that take providers out for a week at a time. Most of my hobbying is at Kgirl rates, so doing the math tells you how many hours I'm hobbying a week. I pay attention and learn things, both from bookers and the many girls I have had outside relationships with.
She's just venting. Why all the Hate?
You guys forget that us woman are emotional creatures vs visual. You guys get to see our pic's and reviews and get turned on to see us. Did you ever stop and think we need to get turned on to see you? Wow, what a concept?
For me personally, when a guy gives me what I need for verification, be it p411, etc.. along with a nice message. It shows respect, shows he's a nice person and it makes me super excited to see him!!
I have to be excited and want to see him or this flat out doesn't work for me.
We're emotional guys, cut us some slack please....
doesn't need to get turned on to see a client, only get paid to pretend to be turned on. Don't try to kid a kidder.
I don't give a shit if you think I'm a "true professional" or not. Your opinion is of NO VALUE to me.
I just got home from a fabulous 4 hour appointment/date at Shutters in Santa Monica with a very fun and awesome man. We had an absolute blast and scheduled a 2nd date for next week, including a deposit.
I will continue to live live the way I choose. I'm not trying to kid anyone. I just wanna have fun!
What's your point? Are you trying to say we all "Fake it"? If that's what you really think, why are you here?
Jeeeezz, I hate negative people.
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you're more attractive when you get angry, but I can't.
This is the problem with people that only follow the boards occasionally. If you were here more often, you will know that I often use sarcastic humor here. No need to take it so personally. Its just entertainment for me.
Sorry you feel the need to namedrop about your date to validate yourself. Yes, Shutters is nice, but it isn't the Wynn.
That's where we meet, at the Encore/Wynn....Great memories there...just saying that's all. The Lakeside..yummy!..hate to name drop....carry on.
You can't fix stupid Sweetie! Not even with duct tape! Don't feed the troll(s). They find a weird pleasure by posting sarcasm and negativity.
I just got home from a fabulous 4 hour appointment/date at Shutters in Santa Monica with a very fun and awesome man. We had an absolute blast and scheduled a 2nd date for next week, including a deposit.
I will continue to live live the way I choose. I'm not trying to kid anyone. I just wanna have fun!
What's your point? Are you trying to say we all "Fake it"? If that's what you really think, why are you here?
Jeeeezz, I hate negative people.
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reviews a year? I guess you think you're an expert? How fucking old are you?
that you were not directing "Ever heard of P411" to Alley-Snd. My sincere apologies to you...)
Just because Coeur-de-lion enjoys seeing K-girls and/or agency girls... good for him. However, it does NOT mean every other gentleman on this board desires same.
The only thing Alley is loosing with her Screening Standards are "Time Wasters". This is her life, her safety, her comfort - she should continue doing what she feels safe and comfortable with.
A while back Coeur-de-lion blasted me for not taking an appointment I was not comfortable with. Who the heck is anyone to suggest whom I should spend my time with and/or what appointments I should take?
Believe it or not, we DO NOT take every appointment request that comes our way. For this to work for me I have to want to see him and feel a connection.
We have choices and what Court thinks of how we should run our business is of no value to me
...K-girl screening is notoriously difficult to pass because the bookers are most concerned with whether the guys are LE. While "indies" are concerned with LE too, they are also concerned with the behavior of the potential clients.
Here's a recent thread from the K-girl board where they discuss how "difficult" some of the K-girls' clients can be. You do not hear this as much about "indie" clients:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=8989&boardID=113&page=1#898
set the stage for how I "blasted" you, after your narrow-minded response to my post.
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No doubt screening is the biggest nuisance for clients, but I can't imagine any woman being comfortable without it, whatever the market forces are. It never leaves my mind the risk you women take in agreeing to meet someone you've never seen before with the kind of strangeness today, so I do my best to accommodate. My only suggestion is to try to avoid the officiousness that sometimes occurs in screening -- e.g., "you must fill out the form on my website." If a guy is White Listed with recent posts, or is verified on P411 that should probably suffice. BUT, I'll go back to where I started and acknowledge that it's a risky business and all have the right to their own standards. Stay safe.
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Just my 2 cents: Unfortunately, I haven't been able to schedule a mutually convenient rendezvous with Alley. But the few emails we have exchanged in trying to set up such an appt., I have found her to be courteous, friendly and professional. She is still on my bucket list and hope to spend some quality time with her!
So I just went through it with a visiting provider I really wanted to see. I met all her requirements got 4 thumbs up from providers I have seen, she emails me tells me that my initially requested time is not available. I email her back telling her that here is a list of times/dates that would work well too. No answer follow up emails pretty much saying pick the time and never a response back. This is not the first time this happens and this is a highly reviewed provider. Why? I don't get it. I never said anything compromising and complied with all her sh.t. At least have the decency to respond back
the Asian agencies are taking over the industry in SoCal. When I started nine years ago, I only saw indies the first year, and had several experiences like this. Then I got screened for my first agency, which led to another and another. Now, each day, between LA, OC and SD, I have a choice between about 150 girls and never need to be screened again. All the bookers recognize my hobby phone number when I text, and that is all the screening I need.
I'm telling you if indies could set something up like that, they would get some market share back. Otherwise, they are getting the crumbs that fall from the agency tables.
Opinionated assholes are ugly. Allow others to have their own opinions.
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in calling me an opinionated asshole? Its fucking hilarious.
When did you become Mr Know it all? You have no clue how much money they are making, nor anyone else for that matter.
It's not of your F'ing business. What makes you the expert?
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several Kgirls and a few bookers, so I know EVERYTHING about how the business works. When you have Kgirl friends who spend OTC time with you, you get the inside information, both the good and bad, about how everything works. THAT'S how I know it all. I've even been pitched on being an investor and org partner from more than one source, so everything having to do with the business has been explained to me in minute detail from multiple sources, so I know it is credible. On the other hand, I don't know shit about how you're able to make a living, especially with your hostility and anger issues. Perhaps my previous post on this thread about "pretending to be turned on" was on target?
If you read my posts on the Kgirl board over the past year, you will see that I'm not shy about sharing inside information about the Kgirl market with other hobbyists. You might learn something that would help you figure out how to stem the loss of business to the Kgirls.
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you to validate yourself
why I "know it all" then why did you ask if you didn't want to hear it again? You challenge me, and I will respond. If you already know the response, why challenge me? It makes you look that one of those providers with a bad attitude that just likes to argue, even when you know the facts are against you. Not making yourself look very good to new potential customers, are you?
On the other hand, if guys thinking about seeing you would go Kgirl instead, they would get two hours to your one and not have to put up with the attitude, OR they could see two different girls, OR try a double with two girls at once, and again, all with no attitude! Sounds like a win-win-win-win for most guys here.
an Established Patron. Why do you think every man out there is looking for a bargain?
My most regular clients have never written a review. Why do you feel the need to be the board bully?
I'm Latina -- I've been called fiery, feisty, passionate and a Hot Tamale, but never a bad attitude.
Can't we just all get along?
Nite Nite.....
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"target" of what they would like, but reality is what they will accept.
In your inflated description of what you have been "called", I note the absence of the word "classy." Not surprised.
Glad you agree that you are NOT a bargain. That may persuade some undecided here.
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look to the rest of you, but believe me, I am NOT her "darlin."
I always have a great group of So Ca providers to select from. And screening isn't an issue for me.
I'm telling you if indies could set something up like that, they would get some market share back. Otherwise, they are getting the crumbs that fall from the agency tables.
the average number of Kgirls advertised on CV on a given day between LA, SD and OC, it comes out to about 150. Their numbers are increasing each year because the demand is there. There are not even enough indies around this area to match that kind of market share even if they were doing the same volume, which they aren't.
This thread was about screening, and it may not be a problem for you or me, but few days go by where guys are not complaining about the screening process of indies. Check the RO board sometime.
Recently I have been asking for ID, Employment verification and verification of age, height, weight and any other information provided here.
It's amazing the push back I get from providers as amny are 37 year olds that advertise as 26 year olds / 110 pound athletic girls that are really 150 pound non-athletics / 5'2" girls who advertise as 5'10"... etc
I just want to be sure I am getting what I have signed up for and my info is safe! I have no problem with girls doing the same...
Cheers... Me
great idea. I never thought of cross-screening the providers to make sure their advertising is accurate. Of course, its going to be a lot of work and time-consuming to eliminate the ones that are advertising falsely, but I guess its better than finding out when you're standing in the doorway. I have a couple of indies I'm planning on trying out, and this gives me an idea about how not to be disappointed on arrival.
I respond to 15-20 provider verifications per week - just responded to 4 this morning.
This is my personal experience of what I'm responding to for provider verifications.....
Subject line: Verification please
Michael F (First name & initial, this is most likely not even his first name - it doesn't matter)
MichaelF@ ___.com (his alternate hobby email address - not his real one)
Providers website or ad links
Thank you!
For me, with 2 verifiable references, and/or P411, we're good!
Yes we ask your age because many of us choose not to see 20 year old guys, etc.
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Hey There,
I was kidding but the frustration does go both ways with flakey communication and short fuses.
Now that I know one or two of the hobbiest's here - I just PM one of the previous reviewers.
If I feel like taking a chance I do just that. One side note, if there are outliers in the reviews I ALWAYS
seem to have similar experiences to them and it's not too much fun having a smoking hot Russian who
barely speaks english and who freaks the fuck out if you TOUCH her hair - I would rather have a swarm of
bees fly into my car window... It's ALL GOOD...
I usually just email the lady of my interest and say "Hi my name is Jinx. Can we haz sexy time now?" Are you saying that's not enough?
can you PM us a list of the girls that have said "Yes" to that? Lol
Just politely remind them and if they don't want to be screened, on to the next one! It's just apart of the business as some guys want to protect their identity just like we do. It can totally be frustrating and the worst part is when they get really mean because they don't want to be verified. Why can't we all just be nice to each other especially since we want to have fun?! 
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I can't stress the importance of safety for everyone. Screening is both saviour of the trade and necessary evil. As an independent and being a Korean girl, it's easy for me to peer into both sides. There are advantages to both types.
The security measures of an independent provider is never something to risk for whatever the payout. Bearing that in mind, the client will experience a level of closeness, reliability and comfort that you can't develop with an agency girl. If you're looking for a real girlfriend experience, you can't go wrong with an independent. It's not too much of a hassle to ask for verification and safety for what you get in return.
As for the agencies, they seem very mechanical and distant, also the "tourism" aspect makes it rather difficult to find the girl you like when she's gone overseas or to other cities to visit for her "managers". If you're looking solely for a release, then it's a bargain. Do you guys really want a bargain when it comes to hobbying?
There's plenty of clients and providers and we're all playing a fun round of sexy musical chairs. Sometimes, you get a seat. Sometimes, you don't, but the music starts up again everyday. Hope everyone finds their seat. If it's a client's face, then even better. :