Game , st and match Mr Know It All.
I couldn't help but see the ever increasing talent pool of k-girls on CV. My question is, how rough is the competition between the different agencies? I see ads pulled then either rebranded or moved to a different city.
Another question is with the talent pool so deep, and choices a plenty, some basic laws of economics such as supply and demand come into play. I by no means advocate any reduction of price on these girls but to me it is intresting there isn't any at all. Maybe a special or 2 but nothing like the 160 SGV girls.
To me it is indicative of the value and nature of the k-girl scene. The price point they have is attractive and attainable and you get great girls at that level. I for one am surprised that some of the greats don't charge more. We know that certain kgirl legends have the ability to draw in the big money without having to sacrifice levels of performance or even advertise as much as they have established themselves.
For me if any of my kgirl ATF increased their price, I would totally go for it. The intrinsic value of what they provide for me makes it more than worth it.
But in any case, I was just curious at what people thought. Don't get me wrong here, I am NOT looking for discounts or cheap thrills. I get those at home!
Beemer in playa...(Just driving through..how sad)
The K-girl market is not structured around supply and demand, but around what is called distorted monopolistic model, namely: since the K-girl market is organized as a cartel, with collusion behind different agencies, this allow them to structure price through manipulation of them, like in a monopoly. But since this market is distorted because of the nature of the commodity (sex), the K-girl market reflect that structure...the analogy to make clear my point should be found in like-market, like cocaine, diamonds, oppium. The cartel structure organization form, could find its analogy into manipulative-prone organization, like Mafia, A'Ndrangheta in Italy, or Yakuza in Japan. Those agencies who operates in the K-gilr market controlling the most important commodity in the sex industry, which is not the girl, but her 'protection'.
Sincerely,
Walter Benjamin
PS: If you want to know more I suggest to read, Diego Gambetta: The Sicilian Mafia, The Business of Private Protection. Cambridge, Harvard University Press, 1993.
Ummmm....wow...that totally hit me from left field. Intresting nonetheless. Will definitely look it up. Thanks for the info. As I said very interesting indeed.
because these agencies have a truly "monopoly' on the K-girl, both at upstream and downstream of the market, they can manipulate the flow, exactly like in a cartel-like market, so price will reflect the manipulation of the flow (upstream and downstream), and that flow is collective controlled. The cartel has a monopoly in Los Angeles, unique in the all USA escort market, so they do not really compete with anyone, but everyone else is competing with them, or at least trying. But as economic model tell us, with distorted monopolistic market, there is only one way to compete: through the intervention of the State. Since this is not a market of interest of the state, who prefer to shut down only those agencies who re-cycle and launder money outside of USA, the cartel in LA will dominate as long as the agencies and their structure will control the upstream and downstream of their organization. And as I said, the most important commodity they control is not the 'K-girl' but her protection. As Gambetta brilliante demonstrate cartel-prone organization are economic enterprises, who operate into the indsutry of producing, promoting and selling private 'protection.
If you K-girl crown miss this crucial aspect you fail to understand all the other stuff that goes with the K-girl market in LA: high turnover, changes of identity, 'vacation', change of location, just to name a few.
Sincerely,
Walter Benjamin'
Ok...maybe I opened a can of worms here but if you meant to say clown instead of crown them maybe for all your high intillect, your still an douche hiding behind an alias. I was ready to listen to your discussion but hey, boohoo.
As far as all the other stuff, don't presume that I don't' know anything about the goings on ok. Your presumtions can backfire on you. You started of good but with your personal attack, sorry buddy.mall your credibilty goes out the window.
More precisely, my suggestive was was simply to indicate by analogy that all the guys who are very involved in the K-girl market resemble to me a crown, which refer to the power, position, or empire of a monarch or of a state governed by constitutional monarchy, but in this case refer to that position of power of a collective monarch governed by a constitutional cartel...
So its a positive connotation. I'm simply suggesting, to continue the analogy, that this collective monarch is sitting on top of a governmental structure (the cartel) which, as all cartel, manipulate both the price and those who buy its commodity.
I'm not interested in personal skirmish, and the issue is too important and too delicate at the same time. From here the use of Alias.
In regard to credibility: as argued by myself in The Author as Producer (1934), "An author who teaches writers nothing teaches no one." It should be clear who the 'writers' are here.
Sincerely,
Walter Benjamin
Gotcha. My apologies and meaning well understood. Sorry for the anger there. I looked up the book and was very much taken by it. Especially the chapter you described and in regards to pickpockets. Very intresting indeed. I apologize for my hasty remarks and appreciate the lesson.
Beemer.
So its a positive connotation. I'm simply suggesting, to continue the analogy, that this collective monarch is sitting on top of a governmental structure (the cartel) which, as all cartel, manipulate both the price and those who buy its commodity.
I'm not interested in personal skirmish, and the issue is too important and too delicate at the same time. From here the use of Alias.
In regard to credibility: as argued by myself in The Author as Producer (1934), "An author who teaches writers nothing teaches no one." It should be clear who the 'writers' are here.
Sincerely,
Walter Benjamin
is your explanation for the use of the word crown.
blabbing name calling and pseudopsychology are sure signs of an over inflated ego
Got more you MUST say ben?
Game , st and match Mr Know It All.
Sincerely,
Walter Benjamin
PS: If you want to know more I suggest to read, Diego Gambetta: The Sicilian Mafia, The Business of Private Protection. Cambridge, Harvard University Press, 1993.
First, the K-girl market isn't a monopoly or a cartel. It bears some resemblance because of the it's a tight knit community, but that is more a matter of LA geography. Other than that, you're putting a square peg into a round hole. You're trying way to hard.
You don't have to think too hard to quickly see the K-girl bookers are hardly DeBeers. The elements of pricing and scarcity in your misguided analogy are actually going in opposite directions. DeBeers and the others manipulate the market with the perception of scarcity to keep prices high. Clearly, there is an over-abundance of attractive K-girls that make raising prices unsustainable. There's too much competition.
If it was a cartel or a monopoly, which are not the same thing, the whole K-girl segment would raise their prices. It's been $250/260 for a really long time.
Anyone that is familiar, knows there is significant competition. There is no dark forces behind the scene manipulating the market. It's quite simple. I'm sorry to shoot holes in your little theory. But, as stated above, you were babbling.
There is a reason the alias bw is garnishing attention. But alas, perhaps there are others with enough free time to banter as well. I learned an interesting quote a long the way.
I have no idea what the alias is talking about, and I am not an expert, but from my experiences I don't think there is any organized crime syndicate involved with the 100+ ads you see on cityvibe. Some girls can only stay a short time due to visas. Some girls probably aren't to busy and bail. I wish we could get even your 2nd and 3rd tier of kgirls in Phx. The beauty and talent level is so poor that I have to fly into your awesome city to enjoy myself. Their 250 is very reasonable and helpful to those of us on a budget, other cities might be 200 but beauty and service are not even close.
The market is determined by what they are doing as a group. I have seen some 280 and 300, and if more started doing that then they all would be there eventually. But there are so many good ones that I stick with 250 and prob other guys too, so that's where the donations stay. Nothing nefarious going on. Supply and demand.
the price is not set by the girls but their agencies who do not care about economics but by making as many appts as possible... quality in the k-250 scene.. give me a break.
I guess....your loss.
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Each time a criticism is rised towards the K-girl usually you get two forms of reaction: this one exemplify the first proto-type of hobbyst who is part of the collective crown. They are so desperately attached to the 250 price point that any criticism put them in despair. They reaction is furious, and their attitude is totally dismissive. But there is a reason on that: by defending the k-girl, no matter what, they are defending their hunting turf to which their life depends on, and increasingly so. In short, their aggressive standing is precisely the attitude to which there is no longer, in general, any corresponding room for discussion. They tend to resemble those cannibalic creature who appetite for fresh meat is insatiable. Of course, that meat is cheaper, and the cartel know and prosper on.
Walter Benjamin.
the LA K-girl scene , you need to cease and desist from your pornificating. Yes there is a pricing and a reference system in place , what is strange about that. I would gladly pay more and I do in tips , for the K-girls I see.
There were agencies that were charging $200 in but girls left them for greener pastures and we have girls who have raised their donation to from between $270 to $400.
Walter Benjamin.
This one assumes that only those in the circle of the K-girl market have the knowledge of the system. They pretend to make an argument when in reality are re-cyclying old cliche which content is empyt like a brute shell. They point out cliche because the context in which they live their hobbying life is routinized: they move from K-girl to K-gilr like aristocrat, since aristocracy is the place they have in the crown. Their look at the rest from above, since their position in the K-market is solid and their standing reinforced by the role they play in defending the business model in which they wallow. They ignore the mud because as member of the aristocracy that would be repellent. Their are complacent and fatalist: this is the fatalism of those who are remote from reality and whose obscure courting of the cartel is comparable to the attitude of a man who yields himself up entirely to the inscrutable accidents of his digestion. The rumbling of their defensive lines certainly has more to do with flaulence than with understanding. Constipation and repellence have always gone together. So stuffiness is the only thing that the aristocrats can produce. This post by one of the aristocrats does not improve the atmosphere.
Wanter Benjamin
Little Benny, you ignorance is only surpassed by your audacity that knows no limits . Cartel , fatalists, aristocracy , wallow, repellant , stuffiness , crown , complacent do you know what the terms/words means or did you come across them. In a discarded game of scrabble. Your intellectually challenged rambling would embarrass a sixth grade student. No wonder you hide behind the skirt of an alias. You seem to have sense not to reveal yourself if not courage.
I presume you tried to see a K-girl but your references did not pan out. Oh for the wrath of a scorned/rejected wannabe K-girl hobbyist. Little Benny get a life , time is leaving you behind.
Wanter Benjamin
Indeed, it confirm my point: they splash in the mud so happily that criticism is seen as revenge for not being part of the elite. Poor aristocrats! They have lost the sense of measure, but this is not surprising: they are the most miserables in the game of the K-girl, have no sense of their distance from reality and their reaction has the stigmata of melancholy. The only measure of their stupidity is to use the K-girl as parameter of everything, so much their are splashing in the mud that their intellect is incapable of seeing anything else but K-girl. Aristocrats are the clown of the cartel: they swallow everything because they have no real alternative. They have become blind, and move like zombie. Indeed, they see wannabe K-girl hobbyst everywhere: like true decadend aristocrats, they have a terrifying fear of being removed from their piedistal. Its a piedistal that resemble a chesspool: the one in which the cartel makes its own more profitable bet.
Walter Benjamin
Ramble on little Billy ramble on , this is what happens when you don't have a K-girl , or in your case any girl , to clean your clock out. You can roll in the mud you spout to your hearts content , after all what else is there for you to do.
Walter Benjamin
It always interesting when the aristocrats demonstrate the real stamp of their stupidity: he relate my criticism to 'not having a k-girl.' They are become so 'objectified' in their perception that anything can be related to a k-girl. This 'objectification' is not without reason, since that is the level of exploitation to which the cartel and the servant have reduced the K-girl. More interesting is noticing the moral attitude of the aristocrats: they imply a natural superiority of the K-girl compared to 'any girl." This morality of superiority is the equivalent of their real objectification, but the aristocrats splash in the mud and obscure the reality. Indeed, that superiority and the moral attitude that the aristocrats display have a common genesis: its the terrain to which the cartel prosper. Since profit cannot come but from exploitation, the superiority of the K-girl, is just the function of being 'object of pleasure' who have to allign 7-10 days among cannibals, aristocrats and the gang of reviewer-servant day in and day out to make the system functioning. That the aristocrats are blind to this is the trace of their moral attitude: indeed, that's the reason they leave tips, to clean their consciousness from splashing in the mud. Those who splash in the mud and pretend to teach other moral lesson in doing that reveal their real substance: that of scum.
Walter Benjamin
This is funniest Shit I have read in a long time...funniest Shit on the LA Board regarding the K-scene for sure!! You go Walter!!
Now that's what I am talking about. Humor, seriousness, all rolled into one! This board is gonna be rocking!
K girl scene in LA does operate as a cartel in some degree. $250 price was established in few years before no visa era and agencies decided the price is at optimum level so they stuck with it. If some agencies try to lower to $200, they would definitely have resentment towards them and not let them participate in mutual reference sharing and other info sharing. Some K agencies are left out of this circle because of this reason. Up in SF Bay Area, $200 price was established in mid 2000s as agencies decided that the price was at optimum level for their business. At $250, I still participate but I don't necessarily think that I am getting a great bargain since I know about $200 price up in the Bay Area. I think many LA guys are just used to non K prices that they are sort of brain washed.
One's atf may not be others' cup of tea therefore it is not probably wise for most girls to go higher at $300 or more. I maybe a cheap a$$, but that extra $50 does make a difference as $200 means 25% more sessions for me vs $250.
Well written. The Phx market has been taken over by Thai women and is at the 200 reasons and the service includes French lessons and raincoat free pole smoking, but their service isn't as inclusive as what I enjoyed in la. Plus IMO they aren't as pretty as your kgirls, not close unless you like curvy and not toned. I haven't heard that SF and the bay is similar to what you find in la with beauty and top service.
I am pretty sure you can find 160 or 200 reasons to have fun in the la area, but I think there are certain expectations for the 250 level and would be surprised if those girls want to lower their prices. For me its not only worth the extra 50, but also a round-trip plane ride and rental car to boot. You don't know how good you got it. Wish some of those girls would take turns going on tour to visit other cities like Phx once in a while. 
But the trick is to make sure the 250 girl is legit. Out of the 100+ cvib ads many do not look like the picture and are not reviewed. I will never see a girl who doesn't have a decent review or isn't highly recommended by a Booker I trust.
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Some former LA K girls are working in SF scene and the other way around as well. LA still has the edge in K talents since the pool is deeper. However, the SF scene is comparable to the LA scene. More LA K girls are willing to offer extras such as CIM and in shower BBBJ, but more SF K girls are offering same service as well. There is another site which covers the SF K scene which I won't mention here btw.