Hi,
If she is in the Korean culture, please let me know so that I can cross her off. I had this happen to me once before with great shock. No need to ask for her name as she is no longer providing...
I recently had an experience that came as a complete shock, thrill, and afterwards worrisome. I booked a date with a very popular provider. It was great. We were really getting into it and I was lost in the moment. All of a sudden I'm in there, her on top. Having read her reviews I knew she had skills in surreptitiously putting on the rain coat while in CG. A few seconds into it, I thought "wait a second, this feels way too good". I push her off for a second and realize...there is no raincoat. We were doing BBFS. I kind of freaked out, had her put on the jacket and continued with the session.
Now here's my question. Well a few questions. Do you think a provider like this is a danger to the hobby community? I know any hobbyist with a single neuron knows the dangers and knows to take the best precautions available. But is it doing other hobbyists a service to say "so and so provider does bbfs, so take your chances"? The Catch 22 is that I know some guys will want to see her specifically for that reason in hopes she would extend the same offer.
I asked her afterwards about it, and she said "well my roommate saw you before and said you were cool and you seemed special and yadda yadda yadda. Don't worry baby I'm clean". Obviously I wanted to say "How the f do you know I'm clean!?!?!" What do you guys think? I don't want to ruin this girl's business, but we need to look out for each other...
It's reckless and it happened to me, too. I lost sleep over it. I considered she just forgot, it was CG as well. I wish you weren't using an alias so I could PM you.
And yes, she is a danger to the community.
Dunno what the policy is these days, but personally I believe open and honest beats a policy of ignoring this very real problem. BEAT P? What say you as the spokeshobbyist of TER? RT
its just disconcerting...
Id like to know whom it is so I can stay away from , and if ive seen, make sure I dont go back....
pm please...thx
Twice, and both times this year with K-girls. WTF is going on??
This was the first time it happened to me. I'm not going to lie, it was hard to stop her seeing as though that's the first time I've done bb in a long time. And even then only with my ex. But it's totally not worth the anxiety it causes afterwards.
Why would you put something like that out? Put it in the back channel. Now you have given out a specific group and some people will have the possible expectation of it when they try to see one.
I agree that bbfs is a topic that should be discussed but don't throw out specific groups or names when doing it.
I have been with a lot of Korean and Thai women over the years, and NEVER had any surprise such as has been discussed. I always know what's going on.
I don't care "how good it felt when she put the condom on with her mouth, almost like no condom" you still know a condom is going on. More over, if its a concern then pay better attention to how you play. Ultimately YOU are responsible for YOUR health and well being.
If you P2p a little to close you a) might be sending the wrong signal and b) sometimes it might (OMG!!!) go inside. If that's a concern, don't do it!
I have never had something I didn't want forced upon me with any woman (pro or cv) during sex. There is a reason women don't go to jail for rape (statutory with a minor is a completely different issue).
Sure, we pay good money, but its still your responsibility to know what you are doing. Heat of the moment or not. Considering that we pay for this service this should be even less of an issue regarding heat of the moment. Nobody forces a vagina on you.
Rodger,
The big head agrees with you 100%!!
I was anticipating a barrage of snarkyness at my "take responsibility for yourself" rant BC some dudes may want to blame the girls.
You guys have no idea how good you got it. Seriously, Phx had some beauties a few years ago, we didn't have the gfe service back then, but times were damn good. Now we are like a f'n dust town. You don't know what you've got till its gone is so true.
Be kind to yer girls, all of them mates 
sure we pay, but when the last truffula tree is gone don't go crying to the Lorax.
Let's turn that question around. Are you a danger to the community? You are visiting a prostitute and you just assume she is going to sneak the condom on you because you read about it in a review. Why weren't you more vigilant in making sure you were covered?
We can't put all the responsibility on the woman. I'm fully aware of what is going on throughout the whole session. I never assume she is going to cover me. The biggest danger is letting your guard down. Most hookers never let their guard down because of the number of guys trying to jam it in raw. Why did you let yours down?
Hmm. Seems to me there's another thread about being able to talk openly without being flamed. I guess that's not the case.
We all take risks. Yeah it was stupid of me and I admitted that. No need to start a flame war. Discuss like civilized men or don't.
We can't put all the responsibility on the woman. I'm fully aware of what is going on throughout the whole session. I never assume she is going to cover me. The biggest danger is letting your guard down. Most hookers never let their guard down because of the number of guys trying to jam it in raw. Why did you let yours down?
It is a difficult dilemma, but based on how you describe it I think that her conduct is very dangerous, and the main reason is that she did not even ask you if you would like BBFS. Had she asked you, would have the choice and shared responsibility, but since she didn't it's all on her.
Her "rationalization" for not using a condom is total BS, unless she was playing dumb and knew about you more than just you being a cool guy, like perhaps if you are financial affluent she might try to trap you by becoming pregnant. If you're married, she might try to extort you. I may be guessing here, but given the information in hand it is plausible.
"Don't worry baby I am clean", yeah right! How many times has she said that?! You should have asked her to show you a recent full panel test. I fact, you should ask her even now, since she rode you BB.
Personally, I would like to know who she is so I can stay away from her. You can PM if you are ok with disclosing her name. You have my word her name will not go further.
You are a danger to the community for allowing it to happen , come here to complain and I presume still continue with your hobbying ways.
The responsibility and blame starts and ends with you and nobody else. If you do not to want to risk your health or be a health risk to others , consider ending your hobbying days.
Now here's my question. Well a few questions. Do you think a provider like this is a danger to the hobby community? I know any hobbyist with a single neuron knows the dangers and knows to take the best precautions available. But is it doing other hobbyists a service to say "so and so provider does bbfs, so take your chances"? The Catch 22 is that I know some guys will want to see her specifically for that reason in hopes she would extend the same offer.
I asked her afterwards about it, and she said "well my roommate saw you before and said you were cool and you seemed special and yadda yadda yadda. Don't worry baby I'm clean". Obviously I wanted to say "How the f do you know I'm clean!?!?!" What do you guys think? I don't want to ruin this girl's business, but we need to look out for each other...
Before you go indicting this guy who had the courage to bring this topic out of the dark, let's do some quick math:
He had bbfs 1 time.
She sees up to 10 guys a day, 6 days a week! If she offers bbfs only to half, she's still risking major disease (and going to spread it to everyone that does daty on her), she's still taking 30 times the risk every week!
Unless she gets tested every other day, and would quit immediately if she found out she had HIV / Hepatitis B or C / chlamydia, etc then she is not just dangerous, it's really criminal!
You are a danger to the community for allowing it to happen , come here to complain and I presume still continue with your hobbying ways.
The responsibility and blame starts and ends with you and nobody else. If you do not to want to risk your health or be a health risk to others , consider ending your hobbying days.
Now here's my question. Well a few questions. Do you think a provider like this is a danger to the hobby community? I know any hobbyist with a single neuron knows the dangers and knows to take the best precautions available. But is it doing other hobbyists a service to say "so and so provider does bbfs, so take your chances"? The Catch 22 is that I know some guys will want to see her specifically for that reason in hopes she would extend the same offer.
I asked her afterwards about it, and she said "well my roommate saw you before and said you were cool and you seemed special and yadda yadda yadda. Don't worry baby I'm clean". Obviously I wanted to say "How the f do you know I'm clean!?!?!" What do you guys think? I don't want to ruin this girl's business, but we need to look out for each other...
Noseriously, take a reality check. Being a "john" is criminal, women selling their bodies for money is criminal.... well, maybe both are misdemeanors. 
Having sex is risky PERIOD. Whether with a pro or a non pro. You don't know where that pussy has been and speculating statistics is mere pontifcation. Basically as worthless as Kodak stock is now.
I knew a girl who got the lifelong herpes from a Guy when she was 18. Said it was her first time having sex. If the Guy knew then it was criminal. Proving he knew is something else.
I've known men and women who played a lot and have been disease free. They are now in their 60's.
The only thing that is criminal is if someone knows they have a disease and is actively trying to pass it to others.
Just because someone fucks 100+ different people every month does not mean they have a sex disease.
Again, if its a concern then who is more at fault, the girl who bare backs with abandon, or the Guy who willingly puts his prick in that girl. If lack of condom is the concern, then wrap it up yourself. There is no legal clause stating that a prostitute has to wrap your wiener.
Bring your own condom. Put it on the nightstand or next to the pillow. Sends a strong message.
If she prefers her own brand of condom, she will use it.
That said, I would like a PM so I can avoid her.
Now here's my question. Well a few questions. Do you think a provider like this is a danger to the hobby community? I know any hobbyist with a single neuron knows the dangers and knows to take the best precautions available. But is it doing other hobbyists a service to say "so and so provider does bbfs, so take your chances"? The Catch 22 is that I know some guys will want to see her specifically for that reason in hopes she would extend the same offer.
I asked her afterwards about it, and she said "well my roommate saw you before and said you were cool and you seemed special and yadda yadda yadda. Don't worry baby I'm clean". Obviously I wanted to say "How the f do you know I'm clean!?!?!" What do you guys think? I don't want to ruin this girl's business, but we need to look out for each other...
BBBJ is only slightly less dangerous. We love to get all High N Mighty over the BBFS issue, but BBBJ is an extremely risky activity as well. I myself have caught an infection this way. I find it somewhat amusing that we all have implicitly agreed that BBBJs are OK, but BBFS is the absolute devil.
Don't kid yourself. It's a big big risk.
It should be up to that person if they wont to take that risk or not. No surprises
I'm amazed at the incorrect information that gets repeated over and over. And this circular reasoning which tries to incorporate false data is not only unethical it's dangerous to everyone.
So don't try to pull the old, " well you do bbbj, so bbfs is just the same.". IT'S NOT!
The risk if bbfs to both man and woman is exponentially higher with bbfs, and for extremely serious diseases (lifelong disease or deadly diseases like HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, lymphogranuloma venereum, etc look them up, I don't have time to explain all)
Bbbj is dangerous to the woman as she could catch any one of these diseases as the viruses are contained (plentifully I will add) in the cum.
Bbbj is dangerous to the man mostly for chlamydia, herpes, gonorrhea and other "non-gonococcal urethritis " (urethritis also known as "damn my cock burns when I pee!"
Quite right. I have only ever caught one (and that was enough) STD. It was the clap and I got it from a BBBJ. I fucked the girl with a condom and it was only brief because she was sore. I guess it could have gone through the condom, but it's a very small % likelihood.
You need to disclosure who this provider is so we don't see her. This is WHY we have TER...right? To discuss of talk about things like this....RIGHT? what other way would we get the word out there and warn others with families, wife, and girl friends.....Come on dude. You have to tell us and the TER community. You can use another name and tell us....
I'm I right guys? Even women can join in
I won't allow such information to make it to the pubs, until I get expressed and explicit permission by admin/management.
This isn't the Inquisition. The OP may be a cool dude. But what if he wasn't? What if someone with an axe to grind wants to falsely accuse someone else? That's why BP said NO NAMES.
I'm sure if someone was maliciously trying to hurt people TER would allow the out'ing.
I've been hobbying for a while now and there was never offers of BBFS until just recently. Yes it is happening ok, I've had a couple of K-providers (from 2 different agencies) ask if I wanted to just continue the session with no hat, and I was shocked at the very question. I didn't accept of course, but the fact I was even asked that was scary as hell. Everyone beware if a provider says "your the only one" or "im clean baby, no problem" because that's bullcrap. I care about my body, so I probably will start seeing a higher class of provider now that this dangerous trend has poped up among the k-providers.
and NO, I WILL NOT PM YOU THE NAMES OF THE PROVIDERS SO DON'T ASK.
Wow ,how fortunes change in one month,in case you forgot let me remind you and please do not take personally but consistency boost credibility.
http://theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=1&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&SearchType=1&Author=PCell1337&DayFrom=900&DayTo=0&ViewAll=1&MessageID=272962&frmSearch=1#272962
Disappointed by lack of providers lately in Los Angeles area.
Posted 1/2/2012 at 2:26:42 PM
PCell1337
Reviews: 7
The last couple weeks I've had a HORRIBLE time trying to setup an appointment with any providers here in LA. Just to give you an idea of what I mean, I made a list of about 40 providers in my area that had been recently reviewed that I wanted to see. I called every number down that list and out of that, only 3 numbers actually picked up to a live person and out of that no girls were available. I took the day off work TWICE in hopes of hooking up with a provider and both days were completely wasted as no girls have been available. One booker said all 4 of his girls were out sick. A couple other bookers weren't pleased with my references and never called me back. I would say... about HALF the numbers I called were completely out of service.
I'll tell you, it didn't used to be like that even 6 months ago. I remember booking was so easy and almost every number someone answered the phone. So my question is, did something change in the industry or are TER reviewers just bullshitting their reviews? Perhaps writing reviews for providers that don't even have working phone numbers. I'm telling you there's no way all those numbers could not be working yet those girls are getting new reviews every week, it just doesn't make sense.
I got so desperate this one night, I started calling backpage listings that had no reviews on TER because I was determined to do something with my day, but the prices were OUTRAGEOUS and the providers seemed REAL shady and unprofessional so I didn't do it.
I've been hobbying for a while now and there was never offers of BBFS until just recently. Yes it is happening ok, I've had a couple of K-providers (from 2 different agencies) ask if I wanted to just continue the session with no hat, and I was shocked at the very question. I didn't accept of course, but the fact I was even asked that was scary as hell. Everyone beware if a provider says "your the only one" or "im clean baby, no problem" because that's bullcrap. I care about my body, so I probably will start seeing a higher class of provider now that this dangerous trend has poped up among the k-providers.
and NO, I WILL NOT PM YOU THE NAMES OF THE PROVIDERS SO DON'T ASK.
I would like to know the identity of this girl so I can avoid her. I don't want to lose sleep over hobbying.
I would also like to know. Anyone who has info please pm me I would really appreciate it. I do not think names should be printed publicly.
I think bb must be the new fad. I've had a number of pms recently about reviews I've written asking, "Did she do bb?" Also, I've read several reviews recently that don't mention a raincoat. In the past, they wouldn't even let you post such a review. (I know from experience, because once I forgot to mention it and my review got rejected.) Has anyone noticed an increase in stds, etc.? I haven't, but you never know. This is an important topic & we need to continue the discussion.
Real interesting seeing how many people are requesting names. We'll never know the truth behind those inquiries. Hope the girl is prepared.
are guys requesting names so that they can book a visit or are they truly trying to avoid?
be honest guys!?!?!?!?!?!?
I must say I am bit surprised we have not the issue addressed from the perspective of the ladies especially those whose profiles indicate a spicy and adventures extensive menu.
They may want to share their experiences .
Now here's my question. Well a few questions. Do you think a provider like this is a danger to the hobby community? I know any hobbyist with a single neuron knows the dangers and knows to take the best precautions available. But is it doing other hobbyists a service to say "so and so provider does bbfs, so take your chances"? The Catch 22 is that I know some guys will want to see her specifically for that reason in hopes she would extend the same offer.
I asked her afterwards about it, and she said "well my roommate saw you before and said you were cool and you seemed special and yadda yadda yadda. Don't worry baby I'm clean". Obviously I wanted to say "How the f do you know I'm clean!?!?!" What do you guys think? I don't want to ruin this girl's business, but we need to look out for each other...
I do not know if that serves any purpose.
If the issue is safety seek another hobby. Otherwise your every activity with a provider ddfk,bbbj, rimming, daty , p2p increases the risks you are taking; bbfs is only one more notch. If you are practicing the rest you are already in danger zone.
Do you know what your ATF is doing with her other clients?
I do not know if that serves any purpose.
If the issue is safety seek another hobby. Otherwise your every activity with a provider ddfk,bbbj, rimming, daty , p2p increases the risks you are taking; bbfs is only one more notch. If you are practicing the rest you are already in danger zone.
Do you know what your ATF is doing with her other clients?
can you pm me also. I don't want to start out the hobby with a bad experience
More asinine circular reasoning. By your reasoning, every provider and every client should be engaging in whatever activities they feel like without any boundaries, because as you said, "if the issue is safety, seek another hobby". So in your line of reasoning nobody has any responsibility to be safe at all.
Well, guess what? Where do you think that will leave all of us in one year?
Use your big head my man , by now you should know that hobbying is not risk free , and every time a provider with a "standard gfe service" she taking a risk which if materializes can be passed on to you.it is a case of Russian roulette nothing less nothing more. Get tested regularly . If these facts are too much for you seek an alternative hobby.
Well, guess what? Where do you think that will leave all of us in one year?
I would appreciate a PM as well so i can avoid them. I hobby to reduce stress...
I had an experience where she saw that I was losing my hardness and asked "no condom?", I kept it on, but am definately sure she meant to go finish without it. If she offered that to me so quickly, I am sure I was not the first - so definately scarry.
Ditto, to below and above
I've been hobbying for a while and agree, we all need to be safe. Please PM name, I'd like to avoid. Can't afford to bring home any unwanted consequences.
pls send me the names as well...
me too. pm me. i want to avoid.
Hi,
If she is in the Korean culture, please let me know so that I can cross her off. I had this happen to me once before with great shock. No need to ask for her name as she is no longer providing...
I notice a lot of girls will wrap you up for cbj, but then lick your balls.... is that unsafe for the guy?
How unsafe is dfk?
or covered intercourse....
Ball licking is fairly safe for you (risk is herpes). More unsafe for her (lip herpes, warts, some minor others)
Covered sex is also fairly safe (herpes again, molluscum contagious, genital warts with skin to skin, many more if you have any cuts or irritated skin that's permeable when woman's "wetness" comes in contact with you.
Thanks for the info and taking it seriously (sometimes you only get joke answers to serious questions)
Is there any particular thing that makes the balls more risky then getting licked say on the chest.... how risky is ball licking (to the guy getting his balls licked).. is it a low percentage?
how would you get herpes from covered sex? skin contact?
In my opinion, herpes is almost as scary as some of the other diseases as it would make you a pariah and it's not curable.
Ball licking is low risk, but still there is a risk. Put it this way, if you see that a girl has a "cold sore" on her lips, You don't want her giving you a bbbj or ball licking. That's just asking for getting herpes. But a girl can still give herpes to you from P2P (privates to privates) skin to skin contact even if there is no obvious "sore"
Is there any particular thing that makes the balls more risky then getting licked say on the chest.... how risky is ball licking (to the guy getting his balls licked).. is it a low percentage?
how would you get herpes from covered sex? skin contact?
In my opinion, herpes is almost as scary as some of the other diseases as it would make you a pariah and it's not curable.
You never know who the hell is PM'ing you for info. A lot of these requests can all be handled through the back channel!
I am betting a majority of these looking for names to avoid are actually trying to find out who has gotten BBFS or who is giving BBFS.
Be careful of what info you give, because it will be a two edged sword. Rumors and innuendo and all kinds of stuff will start flying about which provider did what which may be true or not.
Personally, I feel that whoever threw out a specific group out there did it with malice and this is the end result.
We all know it is out there but it should be discussed reasonably and responsibly.
Once again, BE AWARE and recognize who you are giving info to and about and the consequences intended or unintended.
Beemer.
Beemer is right on this issue (except the part about being malice toward k-providers). DO NOT SPREAD INFORMATION on who is giving BBFS, some of the guys who want this contact info just want to (foolishly) take advantage of it for themselves. A lifetime of disease and pain is not worth a couple minutes of knocking boots...
Now having said that. The fact is, it needs to be talked about and I appuald OP for having the guts to bring this topic to light and say what some of us already knew but were too chickenshit to say. I've had 3 providers offer 'suicide style' now, so obviously people are going to start getting STDs. This had never happened before in past times hobbying, it's a recent thing. So guys need to be aware, you should all think twice about even the standard DATY, French Kiss, and BBBJ. I have a buddy who saw one of the same providers I did and we both got offered BBFS, so things are getting dangerous with k-p's right now. That is a fact, and there's no malice behind mentioning it. It's happening ok and hobbyist should be aware.
Fellow hobbyist: Instead of asking me for their contact info, just avoid risky habits while visiting k-p's. If you protect yourself, you'll minimize your chance of catching anything bad. If you contact me asking for details, I'm just gonna ignore you.
I've not given out any information. I agree with the above poster, that it should be the client's responsibility to communicate he wants the wrapper. We were in the middle of the P2P slide, which is actually dangerous.
I have an idea. Perhaps the moderator, or someone so selected as responsible, could be the keeper of the information, and actually phone the booker and let her know that the girl is on notice. And if he gets repeated info on her, she gets delisted from TER.
I think something sensible and UTR the could/should be done.
I'm not giving up any details, but I've come across maybe 10 over 4-5 years. Don't know what their motivation was, but probably some commonality, but no doubt differences because they each have their own minds and sets of circumstances. So, I don't know if we suddenly have something new that's busting out all over, but hopefully not. As a others have said, there's a risk and you need to take care of yourself and assume not everyone else is.
-- Modified on 2/3/2012 7:01:33 AM
I concur. However the OP said she surprised him and didn't offer it initially. That's a HUGE concern and conscious members should be aware. Just my two cents.
in my pre K-doll days with home grown independent providers. It is one of reasons I jumped at the opportunity be part of the K-doll scene.
Now here's my question. Well a few questions. Do you think a provider like this is a danger to the hobby community? I know any hobbyist with a single neuron knows the dangers and knows to take the best precautions available. But is it doing other hobbyists a service to say "so and so provider does bbfs, so take your chances"? The Catch 22 is that I know some guys will want to see her specifically for that reason in hopes she would extend the same offer.
I asked her afterwards about it, and she said "well my roommate saw you before and said you were cool and you seemed special and yadda yadda yadda. Don't worry baby I'm clean". Obviously I wanted to say "How the f do you know I'm clean!?!?!" What do you guys think? I don't want to ruin this girl's business, but we need to look out for each other...
First of all, to the OP of this post. You're telling me you did not know that you did not have a condom on? That is completely unbelievable. You're telling me, you never noticed that she did NOT put a condom on you? I just don't see how that is even possible, unless you have actually no sensation on your dick whatsoever. I'm pretty sure I know when a girl is putting a condom on me, surreptitiously or otherwise. I think it's a troll post.
And for those of you who are so concerned for the safety for yourself and the community and would like to know the name of this supposedly BBFS provider, I call BS. You only want to know because you yourself would like to try to see if you yourself can get BBFS. Many of you guys already love getting bbbj, p2p, etc., and you live dangerously enough that way, now you just want the next level. I see right through you. Please. STFU.
And for all those who really are concerned for your own safety, get out of the game. Any skin to skin contact, exchange of bodily fluids, can cause you to get a variety of STDs. You guys are all doing BBBJ, DFK, DATY, etc. The Hobby is risky. Plain fact. BBFS or not. Get out, go back home. Jack off to porn. 100% safe, except when your wife or kid walks in on you, so lock the door.
As long as there is hobbying, there is always going to be and element of BBFS going on, and it's not just the asian marketplace. Don't believe for a moment it's just a k-girl thing. Money talks.
The last three K-providers *in a row* have offered me BBFS. Before that, zero offers in years of hobbying. Never even came up. It's like the K-girl union passed out a memo that BB is officially on the menu now.
Clearly they have decided that BB is needed to compete in the market, and *clearly* there are many many mongers taking them up on it.
These are dangerous times, my brothers.
IMO your conclusions are off base and very indicative of the "chicken little" mentality that is now cropping up. BB has been around no matter what the providers ethnicity.
Clearly you are trying to inflame the situation by making these stupid allegations. It is irresponsible and plain stupid.
Beemer
Clearly they have decided that BB is needed to compete in the market, and *clearly* there are many many mongers taking them up on it.
These are dangerous times, my brothers.
Looking over your review list, it seems exclusively K-girl. Are you really not seeing a dramatic increase in BBFS offers?
Maybe something is off with your pecker? The smell, perhaps.
What I get offered and what I decline is my business. Apparently you wanting to sniff my dick seems to be something you want to be a part of.
Maybe something is off with your pecker? The smell, perhaps.
Your kidding yourself if you think that this doesn't occur in general . Does anyone really know if a provider has bb intercourse with a SO and if so is he being monogamous or is he having bb intercourse with other people without her knowledge. That's not a far fetched scenario. Play safe.
The worst, of course, are these white girls that are bb'ed by their low-life daddy. Talk about a std vector...I'd take a k-girl any day over that.