By the way, I have read some pretty disturbing posts and messages, including those from Apple, about racism. I am neither a racist nor a sexist; If you read my reviews, you will find that I have visited and had absolutely awesome experiences with all kinds of women, caucasian, african-american, asian, latin, you name it, I love women! Besides, if I didn't find Apple's photos so attractive, I wouldn't have called her the other night to begin with. I am however VERY unhappy that she has confused me with someone else, someone who sounds like a complete jerk, and I am told that she has now posted my handle and phone # online as a stalker, which I am not. This is complete slander. Very sad & crazy time.
OK, so last night on CV I checked out the providers who were still online. I clicked on Apple Sin's ad, was curious and gave her a call. She said almost immediately that if we haven't met before, she required my FULL name and corresponding ID at the door. I said that wouldn't work for me and wished her a nice evening. Almost immeidately, I got deluged with angry, threatening texts from her, telling me to never call her again and that I've been blacklisted. I accept that she has her own policy, but similarly why can't she accept the fact that I may want something different? I was never rude or disrespectful; with well over 100 reviews on this site and 12 whitelist references, it's clear that I am a good client and don't create drama.
THEN, she sends me yet another nasty text, threatening me that she's posting my number on her blog, on youtube, and sending it to all the other girls telling them to stay away from me, she wrote "you don't fuck with me. I am as militant about this as a prolifer who bombs abortion clinics. Leave me the fuck alone or you may never walk out." WTF? I suppose that there are a lot of unbalanced people out there, but ultimately decided that I should warn all of you out there about this one in particular. Approach at your own risk.
And, ladies, I would love to hear any thoughts you have on this as well.
Hi! Beat poet, when you get a chance, please read my post. I refused him because he refused to go through screening and has called me NUMEROUS times and never wants to go through screening, not even offering his TER identity. I have also gotten emails like this:
"You are an official nutcase! I don't who the hell you think I am but I not (personal info redacted) so I don't give a fuck what you do to him! But you are one of the worst providers I have even heard from! You have a chip on your shoulder or maybe in your pussy! Your email made no sense at all and I'm sure you never even graduated from 8th grade! Get a life!!!!!!!!!!"
"The story is being passed around that if someone doesn't give you the info you request you at all CRAZY and threaten all kinds of stuff like black list and other crazy shit! To bad too because I was thinking about seeing you but not after what I have heard! All the crazy texts and threats! Grow up nut case!"
"I was thinking about seeing you but after I read the LA discussion board about your manners I am going to stay away from you and have warned several other guys about you!
Remember we are CLIENTS and should be treated as such.
good luck on your short career here in LA!"
I mean, you can see the threats and general condescending "I am going to destroy you" without even asking me where was I coming from. At first I thought it was him but judging from it (I felt it could have been him contacting me from various email aliases) it is scary to think that those people wanted to see me considering that they are already assuming and taking his half and threatening as if it is personal, as if I did something to them when they never asked me about my side.
When I have an issue, I always ask both parties to clarify where they are coming from.Normal people will ASK before ASSuming (making an a$$ out of you and me!) It is scary that they assume and never asked me and come at me with such force and a personal vendetta and never once even asked for my side of the story. I am still on the fence if these abusive emails are his or others.
This is not a regular industry. This is an industry where you can lose your freedom because of how you make your living. 75% of arrest are of women providers. Women routinely get raped and/ or murdered. So we have to develop mechanisms to watch our backs and ourselves. This is not the mom and pop store down the corner. Yes, it is necessary to be cordial but, as an old client of mine said, "You always need tom keep a can of whip ass" because I have heard the horror stories, of rape, stalking, and even murder and I don't want that happening to me. I am a former security officer for a major port so my instincts tend to be that most (I don't mean to boast). I am a very nice person but I am big on personal safety. I have clients who have GONE THROUGH MY SCREENING PROCEDURE and actually seen me. You can check on my ad. I have 9's and 10's on other boards. I LOVE what I do, I just want to make sure it is with the right kind of people walking through my door.
Fact is, the guy, when he has called me in the past, comes off as a stalker. Maybe it's my officer instincts, but when you call someone fairly frequently and you REFUSE their screening in a monotone voice (sociopathy) then I am left to assume - esp. based on his voice's sound and the reverse phone check, that he is either LE or a sicko looking to find out where I am! I get that and I immediately squelch so that I won't end up a statistic or someone complaining about the worst on a black list site. It may come off as "extreme", but I don't consider self protection to be "extreme".
To the guys, as a feminist, some of the clients contribute to why people see this industry as abusive and exploitative of womyn. Respect is a two way street. Yes, you expect to be treated as customers, but as the old saying goes, "Respect is earned". These guys who don't even know or even gave me a chance to explain my side, came off attacking me. How can I give you respect when you don't even want to hear me speak? To me, you treat me as inhuman, an object and I will do the same to you. Many guys will call up just to jerk you around, get pics, test your boundaries and set you up by seeing if you will allow yourself to be treated like crap! That is why so many people hate this industry. That is why so many womyn in this field get hooked on drugs and other forms of escape. That is why so many suffer from burnout. That is why I don't have these problems because I get HEALTHY clients and keep the riff raff, trash at bay!
Again, thank you for asking about my side and giving me a chance to explain. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me and ask me because I want to get the record straight and not have stalker types paint a picture of me for me to project to everyone else. Again, I am other review sites and I have high marks. So please, delve into it and consider all variable before making assumptions. Peace and respect to you!
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Hey! How are you. My side should be coming up. Basically, in short, this guy has contacted me in the past, ALWAYS refusing to go through with my screening, never even so much as offering a TER account to verify him thru. I can't help but think he is LE and I want him to stay away from me. He is in my phone because he has called me countless times with the same nonsense. Thank you for being fair and asking what is up.
Yesterday, I was really tired and overwhelmed, so I pardon if I inadvertently offended anyone (being that so much negativity was coming at me from many sides, I reacted quickly and without really thinking what I was saying or thinking logically. So, again, to all those out there I offended inadvertently, please pardon me)
"You are given an open forum to talk, but you are dissing and bitching at each negative comment." - so, according to you, it is not right to defend your position when your reputation and job is on the line?
You say this about me: "but you are dissing and bitching" But yet you do, or rather, say this: "or maybe it's out of your ability to see (self-perception). " - Is that not a diss? Also, what about the people like Ms. LeVIPCollection who called me a "head case" yet you say that is not a diss? You say that what they say is this: ""
"Some of them stepped up because of what happened to them." - Bias? How do you know unless you were there? Oh yes, you say this: "I've seen your screenshots of one-sided emails" - How do you know unless you were here with me to hear and see my side?
Mr. Beat, you said, "You are given an open forum to talk", yet, you say: "Report me to admin? I've already reported you!" - Your words. Not mine.
"When you threaten to out someone or spread details that should be private between two people, that is where I draw the line" - So, what you are saying is that it is okay to out a provider, potentially mess up her job, etc but it is not okay to out bad clients? Bias, much?
"Weren't there some truth to each person's account of the facts?" - How is that being objective and not being "personal", especially in light of your saying this to me: "You've made your assumptions, based on personal experience" - Yet the proof I proffered does nothing to quell how you feel, personally, about the whole issue? Also, again, how do you know unless you were with me?
"Weren't there some truth to each person's account of the facts?" - Again, were you there with them? How can you assume when you are already calling me wrong, right here: " I had to find a blog created to "out" the very people of this board"
Now, Mr. Poet, you seem like a nice person. I wish you great things. I don't want to put you on the spot, but I will let your points do the talking and let everyone else decide!
So we'll keep at it until we're blue in the face (or, in my case, balls).
You started off your post really nicely. I almost wanted to come and give you a hug. We all tend to do or say before we think. I'm guilt of it also. I, too, was tired last night when I wrote it, trying to balance stuff to do while taking care of the board and its members.
Do you really want the answers to those questions you dissected? Do you not like the spotlight that has shown on the situation? When you've taken the words out of context, you won't get a fair answer.
I will give you a quick taste.
The problem with your posting is what is known as the backfire effect. Look it up on wiki or wherever you'd like. The basic premise is this: you will think you're right, while I do the same. If our paths never cross, except in conflict, we will forever be conflicted. If you find data supporting your beliefs (let's assume the data is flawed), you will discount anyone else's beliefs, even if you stand alone. As I mentioned before, there will never be a right or wrong. The best option is to move along before damage is irreparable. I think there is still time for each member to decide what is really worth the trouble. If you want to continue with this, you will be doing it alone.
You pieced together quotes from my posts and start finding connections. Sorry, I wrote those on a linear timetable. When you start searching for points to support your side, you should take into consideration the scope of the words. I did give you an open forum to talk. Did I report you right away when this thread started out? No. I have also continued to watch the thread grow into what it is now. Many people have made up their own opinion, which I respect. I've made up mine too. If I'm not allowed to have a single thought to myself, then why bother having discussion boards? That is why I take everything that happens on the board with a pinch of salt, which I recommend for you too. Perception and experience can twist and distort words and phrases that were never intended. I've attested to that, as well as yourself.
I'm a victim of the backfire effect. Even if the truth hit me upside the head (understand that this is a generalized statement), I'll probably continue babbling on that I'm still 'right'. Maybe I've realized it and didn't want to embarrass myself; maybe I will never realize it because my belief system is so ingrained that the proverbial bat-to-the-head will not cure me. That is why I give time, to sometimes defuse the situation. Many time, the thread calms down, while a rare occasion will result in a bomb exploding in everyone's face. I will not have the tables turned around when you are the center of attention.
I also wish you great things. Good luck in this industry, Apple. Consider this my last post on the subject.
I apologize if this is a little long, but just for the record:
1. Yesterday I did a little digging and read that she was once called Raven, who, YES, I did call ONCE last year. I recall she told me then she required all of my personal and work info, so I declined and that was the end of it. I remember because I thought she looked great and was disappointed that we wouldn't meet. I have NOT called her since (except for the one call the other night, I did not recognize her as someone who I called a year ago when she advertised under a different name) and I most certainly have not called her "numerous times." After all, what would be the point?
2. No, I did not offer my TER ID, nor was I asked for it; the minute she made it clear that full personal ID was required, I POLITELY declined and moved on. I was neither mean nor rude. This does not make me LE, it only makes me decent.
3. Apple, Raven, whatever her name is, deluged ME with mean threatening texts. Had I said anything inappropriate, I could see the texts as warranted, but seeing as how I don't treat ladies that way, I was shocked and disturbed by her very specific and graphic threats.
3. I have NEVER emailed her. Period.
These are the facts. I am not bashing anyone, I am merely recounting what happened to me, that's all.
And, by the way, thanks to those of you who have PM'd me about having had similar experiences with her. I know that in the end there are plenty of clients as well as providers and we will all find the ones we want to spend time with, hopefully without threatening and hurting one another.
Been away from TER for a couple of weeks, but just wanted to chime in with a very similar story. (Actually came here to write this up, and was surprised (or not?) to see this already under discussion).
I'd responded to her ad a few weeks ago, and specifically on her website she mentioned video taking. Seemed pretty cool and fun! Replied and got a sort of weird and hostile reply. Seemed to be worried that I was not wanting to pay. Tried to clear this up. Then got long tirade about the use of the word "girl" (actually really interesting, very long email - it was like reading a socialist-feminist treatise on word usage and its interplay with perception - actually intrigued by this in an "articulate or crazy?" sense). Tried to clear that up. At this point should have given up, but always think "maybe just a misunderstanding". Now suggested not worrying about a video and just do a standard hour appointment to see if we got along well enough to do a video session. Now I get a tirade about how I shouldn't think I can get to know a professional and again convinced I don't want to pay (where is *that* coming from - some prior trauma, who knows). Now she goes nuclear crazy - goes all racist on Hispanic men (I use a pseudonym on my email for reasons rather like this). And then threatens to go public on my 'stalking'. Check out time (yeah, I know, checkout time was three emails earlier). Got an email today alerting me that something had got posted.
Bottom line is: STAY WELL AWAY - there may be a real story behind all this, but I don't think you want the hassle of finding out since she'll just assume you're this (maybe fictitious?) stalker / LE.
Check out my reviews, check out my whitelist. I'm 100% face value zero hassle. This is definitely a "stay away" warning.
Was actually originally coming here to ask if I should write a review for this, even though I never got close to seeing her. Let me know what you think.
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You said nothing about paying, which is why I dismissed you! Want me to show them the emails?
When contacting a sex working it is implicit that it is a paid interaction. I can imagine a novice might assume otherwise, but when I gave you my TER and p411 as reference, that was in part to put your mind at rest that I know exactly how this works. I completely understood that you might have misinterpreted the situation and I completely understood that you might have had bad prior interactions. The problem was that no matter what I did to reassure you and give you all the information you needed, things just escalated. There was no way this interaction could have gone well regardless of what I did.
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You are given an open forum to talk, but you are dissing and bitching at each negative comment. In essence, you are feeding the fire. I'm sure it was not your intention, or maybe it's out of your ability to see (self-perception). You had everyone's attention. You had an opportunity to show your side, but all I can make of it is that you are "unbreakable" and you can roar like the best of them. Ok, you got game. Like I said, showing off emails won't prove a thing. You are already losing us with your chosen words. Your reviews on other boards do not mean anything here. This is the community we built with the contribution of each member. You still have a choice, if you realize what those choices are. The ball's in your court.
Of course, you would if you are being treated unfairly. Listen, I know what I am dealing with. I have a group of trolls who do not like me. I have been doing this for a while. I can tell who is sincere and who isn't. I have people attack, but I am supposed to not defend myself? Why aren't you "bitching" at them? I feel like you are playing favorites. I have already contacted support and the admin about this issue. Instead of you being professional and objective about it, you take a side. It's clearly apparent from your demeanor and your statements. And what is this with the attack on words that I use and the use of the term, "bi**hing"? Last time I checked, using certain vocabulary words is not against the terms of service. Using the term "bitching" could be! TER is a major board and I and anyone else expects professional behavior from someone who is supposed to be an adult moderator of an adult forum. All you have manifested is to take the sides and gang up on one individual - me, and that is not cool. You're taking their side and knocking me for defending myself against them while not going after them for calling me names - as you have done yourself - is not indicative of being impartial and objective. It just proves that you are anything but that and I will speak my two cents. We are all adults. Now, all I ask, humbly, is that you come down and be objective. There is no need for power tripping or taking sides in a sensitive issue. There is also no need to knock someone's vocabulary. That is child like, not adult like. Now, I'll go ahead and forward this off to the admin and support. Good day!
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You were given many opportunities to speak your mind. Some of them stepped up because of what happened to them. You spoke out from your perspective. When you threaten to out someone or spread details that should be private between two people, that is where I draw the line. I've already seen your blog, notified admin about it. I've seen your screenshots of one-sided emails. Why does it only show the responses by those emailing you? Why don't you show how you responded? I'm waiting for admin to get back to me. Report me to admin? I've already reported you!
Don't like it when someone challenges your intellect? What was the grade level you referenced to someone on here? 3rd grade, was it?
I'm human and have made my own assessment of the situation. You've certainly made up yours.
Have I behaved unprofessionally? Let's take a poll! Oh wait, these are all TER members. There's already a bias. Darn, but let's find out anyway! Was I a bad moderator?
In your own words:
"Say, thank you for being professional and fair and for the vote of confidence. I truly do appreciate it."
Also, next time read the guidelines for posting ads. We do not allow links or references to other review sites. You say you know the workings of the site; I was surprised this part escaped you. Don't bother posting your ad until admin responds to both of us.
Why don't you go after LeVIP Collection for calling me a "head case" or the others for saying nasty things? Nice way to knock a person who is already down. You speak to me about customer service, yet you lack it! Smh. Poor kid. You'll get it.
To me, consumer relations is about relating to the consumer and their wants/needs. I will never be able to relate to you, but I haven't denied your posts on this thread (just your ad).
If you want me to dissect your posts, I will. I can point out inconsistencies in your content. Discounting reviews/reviewers/whitelists from this site, praising reviews (just not from this site), etc. Why do you want to be here then? Did you not realize we, TER members, might be different from the people you had to deal with in the past and present? Why do you keep trying to advertise here if life is so good on the other boards?
I've given LeVIP her chance to chime in her experience and opinion, as well as other members. Weren't there some truth to each person's account of the facts? I've given you the benefit of the doubt, but then I had to find a blog created to "out" the very people of this board. You've made your assumptions, based on personal experience. Right or wrong, we'll never know. I'm done for tonight.
It's also not about you feeling ENTITLED to treat anyone as inhuman, either, just because you are "purchasing" them, actually, their services. This is not about buying lattes at a Starbucks. You are dealing with real flesh and blood human beings when you deal with us, or have you forgotten that?
Pity.
Point is, this is about abuse. Just because you are the customer or consumer doesn't give you the right to abuse me just because of what I do. You seem to have a problem with understanding that. I mean, I just got sent an email from one of these trolls - out of the blue - mocking me and calling me a "crackho". What am I supposed to do? Tolerate that? And the end of the day, yes I believe in respecting the customer AS A HUMAN BEING but the minute they fail to recognize my humanity and feel entitled to treat me any which way as many of these guys on this here board suggest - as you kind of suggest - then there is definitely a problem. I work with a lot of clients who are stable and healthy in mind (and body). People who have a problem with that, in other words those who feel entitled to abuse us because of our jobs/ what we do should not be around anyone for that matter.
Just common sense. I think anybody would agree!
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Thanks for the heads up on this one. I guess I can scratch her off my list. Now just to be fair this is only a one sided story so far but I believe that you've got the benefit of the doubt with your long history. Keep up the good work.
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Looking at her picture...you can just about see the crazy shining through. I think you should count yourself lucky!
In 3 of the 4 pictures she looks hot, but in that first one she looks like she's ready to tear the photographer's balls off and stuff them in his camera bag- then shove the camera bag up his ass!
I once had to break up with a gorgeous GF because she was too far over the crazy/hot line in the wrong direction. I took as much of her shit as any man possibly could, but eventually it just wasn't worth it.
Well, it is certainly shocking to hear this kind of behavior from anyone. I always operate under the awareness that "Your signature is on everything you do." I, and I'm sure many of you reading this, have had several situations in the past where I have wanted to lash out at someone for doing something that was overtly offensive to me, but instead I kept my reaction professional because that is the right thing to do. We are all responsible for our own actions and must be prepared to face the consequences they carry.
The thing is, you never know who you are talking to (as a provider or as a hobbyist) and can therefore never anticipate the backlash of your reaction to something they have said or done. People can and will talk, and with things like online forums, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. their microphones are louder than ever, reaching more people than ever before. With these modes of communication available to nearly any individual, why put yourself in a position to be publicly mocked or criticized? Look at the situation here. A bizarre and unwarranted reaction from this provider has landed her here for discussion, and not in the best light which will most likely negatively affect her business. People are also crazier than they have ever been. You never know someone's propensity towards violence or other bizarre behaviors, so why tempt them?
I believe it all comes down to being mature and ethical, and handling situations such as these with class and grace. Honestly, Dashman, I think you have done the right thing by coming to the board to share your experience. Your reviews and whitelistings show that you are a gentleman and you clearly have a mature approach to a situation where you could have just as easily taken this an opportunity to simply bash this provider out in the open.
Bottom line, no matter what, treat people (even if you think they do not deserve it) with maturity, kindness, and class.
Thank you for chiming in, Ms. Rossi. I like your analysis and approach, truly insightful and honest. And, I agree with everything you said. Wow, don't think I've ever said that before!
Not that Dashman has not presented a pretty un-rosy picture, but it would be interesting to hear the other side. It may have been a simple misunderstanding (maybe, I know, but unlikely). It may have had a reasonable basis.... Just curious. Miss? Care to respond????? RT Curious & Out
Hey! How are you. My side should be coming up. Basically, in short, this guy has contacted me in the past, ALWAYS refusing to go through with my screening, never even so much as offering a TER account to verify him thru. I can't help but think he is LE and I want him to stay away from me. He is my phone because he has called me countless times with the same nonsense. Thank you for being fair and asking what is up.
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By a African-American Civie Girl, "DON'T EVER FUCK WITH A BLACK-GIRL AND HER MONEY!!!!"
I had a similiar experience with her about 6 months ago. I turned her down, and she went ballistic.
I had my eye on her. Maybe she's cool if you see her. But, after hearing your story about your phone call with her, I won't bother ever calling.
It reminds me of call I made to a provider many years ago. This was pre-internet days so no TER. Sometimes I would call just to have a quick chat with them so I could get a feel for them and I guess it was exciting for me. Plus, I was much younger and much more scared of getting busted.
The call was about normal, she gave me her spiel. I don't recall exactly what I said, but I politely declined. It was then she just unleashed on me, yelling at me, calling me a faggot and what not. Not exactly the way to make me change my mind and close the deal. She was probably not the kind of person I would want to spend time with anyway.
First off, I never got a call last night. In the morning, YES, but, last night, NO! This is someone with a serious vendetta against me. He is trying to smear my name for some unknown reason. I usually don't like to post on boards because I like to keep my personal life and time separate but I feel the need to speak on my behalf and correct this ignorance once and for all.
I read the boards. I see what other ladies go through. To often in this industry you get people who expect you to put up with BS because they see you as not human and think they can walk over you. They will try to short change you or demand extras for nothing or little to nothing. I have never had any major problems with clients because I screen really well and I am just a good judge of character. When I get somebody who sense is bad or could be LE, I will do everything in my power to make sure that they don't mess with me or anyone else. Some may see it as "extreme". Some may say it is crazy (as the great Dave Chappelle said, "Crazy is dismissive and designed to dismiss someone who may have a point") but because we are mostly women and we have no recourses ie cops or the law to rely, we have kinda a Mad Max scenario where you have to rely on yourself and build your defenses to where your bark is worse than your bite (which is the case with most of us).
I have many weirdos call me - as many of you ladies can attest to. I used to do Copwatch where basically I film the police and if something significant happens, upload it to youtube or give it to the victim. Thus, like a war soldier, it get a huge rash of hatred and disdain because of the copwatching and horror stories I hear when I used to talk to the women who worked on Fig. It kills me that this is illegal, yet they can rape and do vile things that they do to women. If I get someone who comes off as a cop, I will tear into them. Why do I do it? It's because if what I have seen and what I have heard and I don't ever want to be vulnerable nor see anyone else in that position which is why I will come off harsh.
I remember this guy. I do have him blacklisted in my number. He has called me and my numerous ads each time refusing to go through my screening. HE SAID NOTHING ABOUT BEING ON TER. If anything being that he is calling from that area, that indicates that he is either LE (most of the LE calls I get come from there or DEFINITELY a stalker (why else are you going to contact someone who has rejected you in the past because you refused screening?)
That's the type of scum bag behavior I speak of. Now, again, I have had many good experiences with clients. I want to keep it that way. I don't want the scuzzbags that refuse screening, CROSS AND DISRESPECT YOUR BOUNDARIES (THE FACT THAT HE EVEN REFUSED TO GO THROUGH MY SCREENING PROCEDURE SHOWS THIS), call numerous times though I have rejected it because of that (I even warn that I do screening on my ad, so that is what he should expect) and to still REFUSE after contacting me many times (which is why I have his number programmed in my phone) sends off bad vibes/ indicators right away. This guy was in the wrong and he should have provided some way to identify him, which, in his incessant never ending stream of calls (about 10 a week!) - HE NEVER DOES!
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Either it is the same person who wrote this post or else it is different people. But if you look at the psychology of these people and see that they are launching into attack without asking me, you see the abusiveness in their behavior, especially if I have done nothing to them. Most normal people would at least ASK me to let them know where I am coming from before launching into tirades. And you can see all the threats of: "I will destroy your business" being insinuated all throughout this. And the insults to my education. I mean, the bullying here is beyond inimical heights.
If someone does not want to see you and especially if it's because you refuse to submit to any screening whatsoever, then that should be the end of it and move on. But, the fact that he has been perpetually contacting me indicates that something is not quite right with him. I do not know the other ladies but I can tell from the way he acts that he is not kosher. Not to put anyone down, I know alot of ladies will put up with almost anything to make that buck! Not me! I am not the woman.
So to the clients out there, I have reviews on other boards. You can check them out for yourself. They are 9's and 10's. I am actually VERY, VERY good and I enjoy it and I am able to enjoy it because my screening picks the right people. As for the ladies, when you get abusive people, don't put up with; fight back. I am not an evil person, just a woman who wants to stay safe and free. That's not top much to ask. Anyways, peace and good night!
THEN, she sends me yet another nasty text, threatening me that she's posting my number on her blog, on youtube, and sending it to all the other girls telling them to stay away from me, she wrote "you don't fuck with me. I am as militant about this as a prolifer who bombs abortion clinics. Leave me the fuck alone or you may never walk out." WTF? I suppose that there are a lot of unbalanced people out there, but ultimately decided that I should warn all of you out there about this one in particular. Approach at your own risk.
And, ladies, I would love to hear any thoughts you have on this as well.
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This gal has been around a long time and has many aliases. I have heard similar stories from a couple of my trusted contacts. Stay away. Its not you, Dash, believe me.
Alot of these guys who have a problem with me are usually the ones who call me up, wanting to haggle my price, talk illegal stuff, or do a lot of things ill mannered people do. Yes, I have been doing this for a long time. Yes, I have seen many men. I have ben fairly successful because I am skilled at screening out the knuckleheads from the quality customers. I never at length over the phone except to discuss donation and booking for appt. This is to keep the knockleheads separate from the serious clients who really want to see me. It is a great BS repellent at best and works to bring the best, high quality, higher paying clients to me.
Fact is, consider the source. These guys more than likely post on sites where they surf for street walkers and such, so they don't have the most respect for the ladies who work in this industry, especially womyn of color.
I guarantee you. Look under their reviews and you will see that they get womyn for discounts, specials, etc. If not, there is a lot of politicking that goes on where womyn "perform things" for the reviews. There is a lot of shucking and jiving not just for reviews, but white list, too. I want to keep away from that and not deal with that riff raff. From my empirical experience, these people who slander people tend to be the worst in the industry who ruin it for everybody else and cause me and others to stay on guard.
Don't be fooled just because they have a lot of reviews under their belt as hobbyist. I have GREAT reviews on other sites which goes contrary to their measly words of slander. Those reviews actually come from people who have seen me. I once had a guy request, you know, BB. He gets upset because I don't go that way, threatening to write a bad review. I get an email like this:
"Remember the old addage: He with the gold makes the rules. We don't need you! There are plenty of YOU to pick from. That is why I don't date civilians. When they see what I have they do everything to latch on. I have several favorite providers that adore me and bring me gifts. Several know how I like my coffee and make sure they show up with one. Why? Because they value me as a client!"
As well as this: "Go to school and get a real job!" - This is how some feel about the industry and the women they see.
Ask these hobbyist how they gave the reviews as well as get on the white list, too!
But that's not the important part.
Dash gave us his side of the story, Apple did the same. I would recommend the two of you to talk things through or move on. I prefer the latter since the first might never come to a mutual conclusion. Nobody is right in these type of situations. My apologies for jumping to conclusion without giving Apple the benefit of the doubt. I based my opinion on Dash's history, since Apple's new to this board.
-poet
Say, thank you for being professional and fair and for the vote of confidence. I truly do appreciate it.
Stay away from her look at what she does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeo0bLG8cy4 and check out this blog about her http://ravennicolemasterson.blogspot.com/
I prefer to move on as well. She has clearly confused me with someone else; why would I continuously call and harrass her? Again, when she told me she required my full legal name and a corresponding photo ID , I said "Oh well, thanks any way. Good bye." That is not a refusal to be screened, that is a client who prefers not to reveal certain personal info; I don't ask the ladies for their full legal names and addresses! I have a good rep with providers & bookers alike because I keep my apppointments, I treat them both with respect and my reviews are honest. On the other hand, this lady is self admittedly militant and her attitude combined with mistaking me for someone else has her accusing me of things that are just plain not true. And that, my friends, is not fair.
As soon as I told her we were calling for a reference check, she flipped out
"how did you get my number?!?"
My response: its listed on your ads...
"I never told anyone that they could use me as a reference! So why the hell are you calling me?"
My response: that's ok, have a great night.
The conversation went on a little longer than that... but DEFINITELY a head case.
Andrea
What the hell, is this jump on Apple day!
You called asking me to VERIFY someone! I simply told you I don't know the person. I called back in respect because I saw a missed number.
You said, "Well, you're number's listed." What does that have to do with someone claiming they saw me and using me as a reference when I never did? What? Do you accept anybody who claims they saw someone because their number is public (???) Boy, talk about Barbies. You say I'm a head case. I think reading and comprehension missed you a long yime ago. No wonder you are so good at this. Rotten need ditz cases to serve them.
I won't be ganged up on. I don't know what you're problem is (oh yes, you missed 3rd grade English, my bad) but you all need to get a life. Get on with your industry and serving people who as whacked ie illiterate and missing in comprehension as you. Good day and go "attack" a client ie get some business instead of trying to bad mouth another client in an attempt to curry brownie points with SOME - not all - "clients" ie douchebags who look down on you. Woukdn't be surprised of some hit you upside the head a couple of times because you couldn't get the donation. Maybe that's why you had a hard time understanding the difference between "posting my number for clients to CALL FOR BUSINESS ie give ME money" and someone illicity using my name and number for a reference.
Peace and good luck to U!
I'd give you some rope, but I think it's too late, you've already hung yourself. Way to prove the OP's case.
How did it not go so well? Curious.
Part 1
...You know what? This reminds me of "Night of the Living Dead" where the corpses are "attracted" to the brain...and want to eat it out! Read my point below so that this analogy will make sense.
I can see that I won't change any "minds" here. But, before I roll out, I want to say my peace and tell you all about yourselves from what I observe before I rolling out.
I am a strong willed womynl. I wont's change nor will I apologize for it. But I will tell you this: From what I see, you all justify why so many people have a problem with this industry. Alyssarossi said it best: "Bottom line, no matter what, treat people (even if you think they do not deserve it) with maturity, kindness, and class." With a comment like that, you can not have respect for yourself. To treat someone as human who has more power than you and looks down on you is not only backwards, it is counterproductive to your self preservation and self respect. The men here seem to want living fantasies. With the minute exception of married men, some of whom can get carried away themselves, most of the guys fit the "stereotype" of the "trick" who can not function unless he pays for it." No womyn is going to be a barbie doll for free. That is why, especially for the single ones, you will never be happy or satisfied with anyone.
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I wasn't going to be part of this post, but I finally had to chime in...
I am sorry, but LeVipCollection has done a reference check on me in the past and they were professional in how they handled the call.
By how you are responding with your posts I feel that I can only believe Dashman69 OP. He has many whitelist references from many respectable providers. If he were a stalker, as you accused him of, he would have never been whitelisted.
Sorry, but you have dissuaded me in contacting you in the future.
Good luck to you in your endeavors.
Part 2
As for the GIRLS - ie grown insecure raped lascivious "ladies" on here, you feed that barbie doll fantasy. Now, granted, our job is to be "fantasies" for these guys. Many of you are fantasies 24/7 off the clock! That is a problem. That is also a mental illness. (DID - Disassocitive Personality Disorder also known as Multiple Personality Disorder). It seems to me that you, most of you, from what I have read fit the "stereotypes" of sex workers - well, most - to a T: The products of sexual abuse, low self esteem and no sense of self. The last part is important because it buttresses my DID observation. Everyone believes in the right to a sense of self. Everyone believes to self autonomy. As I see here as I saw aty that conference, most of you all are missing that. Alyssa's statement hits the nail on the head and proves my point: You ladies are far from insecure; you don't know yourselves because you let that fantasy become your reality, which is why so many womyn in this field make the suicidal slip into drugs, self destructive behaviors and ultimately, death. I once contacted a lady for a reference, in Boston no less, and she said, "Oh, he is cool. We just had to call security to get him out of the hotel". In my book as well as any psychologically grounded person's book, there is nothing "cool" about a person who you had to require security to take him out the hotel room. None.
Many of you people got problems. Projecting on me, a strong willed person, will not eradicate them. I see the preening, "kissing up,", SUCKING up going on with some of these grown GIRLS to get the tr*ck's attention. It is sad, dismal and an almost laughable freak show at best - if it wasn't so real. I am not the one with the problem. You all - the ones ganging up on me- need help; Society says so.
There is nothing logical about attacking someone and calling them "nutcase" until you have heard their point just as wyldman did in the numerous emails he sent me (the way your write and what you said about luring me in proves that you are that person) Let me also not fail to mention that he also put down most of you all's jobs as not being a "real job" - I got the emails and the screenshots of them. This is type of person alyssa "respects" - a person who does not respect her back. And it sad when you respect someone who treats you like a dog and does not give you the respect that you deserve as a human being.
Now, I have been in this industry, successfully, I must add, since, hell, '06 (on and off and then fulltime in 08, mostly, with a few other side projects, hustles, etc). The stuff that someone of you ladies go through - having guys kicked out of elevators, being thrown in jail (raped?)by the cops, mistreated, haggled, threatened with force, robbed, has never happened to me. Why? Because I have a very grounded, great sense of self and when you know thyself, you attract the right people. Unlike some people here, who think this is the white collar world and think hoeing is no different than ordering a coffee at Starbucks, I am not delusional. I have no illusions about this world. It IS dangerous, scary, unpredictable because you never know if the trick, client who walks through your door is going to murder you. You never know, as the Eels song says, "If this is going to be your lucky day in hell" and your number's up. You never know. And, if you don't get hurt, robbed or raped, you can't call Ghostbusters. You also can't call the cops, either because, as I have seen with my Copwatches, they will blame YOU for doing something that is technically part of the "black market economy" to put it very lightly.
Again, I have had good people come to me and that is because I am not only highly perceptive at judging people, but I DO NOT COMPROMISE myself either and give the dark meaning to the word "whore" that has been so transfixed to it since the days of the Dark Ages when the word - and the womyn who were whores in the temples of ancient Egypt - fell from grace. I value quality, not quantity and my dignity is worth more than a buck. Any self respecting person with a sense of self who can see past this crazy world and it's crazy community can see that. I never needed "whitelists" or things like that because the old fashioned, time honored, failproof method of asking for name over the phone and checking the ID when they get there precludes the wrong people from getting. Even the pigs had white list. I see it all the time on black list sites. Bottom line is, when you act a whore (the bad definition of it where you lose yourself and your dignity, even the rudimentary aspect) to make money, no one will respect you, which is why these guys hate me!
I don't bow down to anyone nor do I kiss tail. I had a guy from a 570 number call me last night, trying to test my boundaries. You can hold NOTHING over my head, not reviews, "whitelists", NOTHING because I am unbreakable with a strong, unbreakable spirit. I am happy with the people I see. I am content with them because they are healthy in mind and spirit. Nothing wrong with buying pleasure, but it becomes a problem when you see womyn as objects and not the "fantasies" we proffer. If the guys who say they wanted to see me don't, I could care less. You are more than likely the type of problem person I don't want to see in the first place anyways, the type of person who would give me problems and justify why I have to be on guard. You can have all the "whitelist" and all the other crap that you want but it doesn't prove to me anything but that you are good at politicking - on a hobbyist site (LOL!) AS I said before, these GIRLS put up with more crap than even an $8 an hour McD's worker would and they do because as Alyssa pointed out, they have no respect for themselves and deserve none (which Alyssa said of herself). I'm sorry, the money is never good for or worth the loss of your self identity, your sense of self.
As Beyonce said in one of her songs, to paraphrase Irreplacable: "you're loss. Not mines". I am not butt kisser and go get someone else to shine your butt for ya! I will not lower myself to your level and beg for your acceptance. To all those who have an independent mind - like me - and can think for yourselves, my reviews on other sites prove it, that, to quote, "I am great experience".
Now, I know what people's problem is with me in this inimical, insular community: I'm real. I feel confident in myself and my intelligence and I won't lower myself for anyone to "understand" (on their terms) and attack to heighten YOUR low self esteem. I got pride. I do this. You can get it, too. Demand respect from these dudes and not just a piece of it ie the "respect" they will show their dogs. You can get it, too. And to the dudes who see the ladies as "objects" and not fantasies - even as a fantasy you are still a living, breathing person, albeit you are ACTING as someone else, just like a film actress - then, maybe then, you can learn to use us as teaching stools for real relationships and not just depend on us for the rest of your life for "fantasy relationships". This is how the ladies get lost in this industry, lose their head and become these unwitting "fantasies" that the men like. And that is why the men lose their minds and expect ALL womyn to be those fantasies...while treating the sex workers like dog crap!
I know this too deep for some of you all. But tough tittay, as my lil bro used to say.
Let me make sure what you wrote is what you really wanted to have posted on this board "Now, I have been in this industry, successfully, I must add, since, hell, '06 (on and off and then fulltime in 08, mostly, with a few other side projects, hustles, etc)." So you admit now that you were a part of "hustles"?
Pretty scary to me....
Thank you Dashman69 for bringing her to our attention and looking out for the rest of us!
For the record I have never emailed you and would love to see the screenshots that you profess to have. You dear are truly delusional.
in case anyone was wondering.
No, I didn't count it, or read it.
By the way, I have read some pretty disturbing posts and messages, including those from Apple, about racism. I am neither a racist nor a sexist; If you read my reviews, you will find that I have visited and had absolutely awesome experiences with all kinds of women, caucasian, african-american, asian, latin, you name it, I love women! Besides, if I didn't find Apple's photos so attractive, I wouldn't have called her the other night to begin with. I am however VERY unhappy that she has confused me with someone else, someone who sounds like a complete jerk, and I am told that she has now posted my handle and phone # online as a stalker, which I am not. This is complete slander. Very sad & crazy time.
Well, Dash, if it means anything to ya, this woman has convinced me (and I think everyone else here) that she is a complete psycho and should be avoided like the plague. I am basing that conclusion not on your OP, but on her own words, posted right here. She totally verified everything you said about her.
Crazy chick. Will stay away. Funny as hell, though! 
Lot of silly unnecessary drama created by a sex worker for reasons we can't know. Nothing racist here and my experience suggests you did nothing wrong but unwittingly walk into a mine field, just like I did. Just like other who posted here did.
Maybe there's a real person she's confused a bunch of us with. Maybe there's something from the past she's responding to. Who knows.
This one is about as nutty as they come. She must be off her medications.
crazy chicks can be great fucks. might be worth going thru all the drama to see her?
You are brave even thinking about it, lol. Anyone who gives their personal info to this provider is just as nuts as she is. Say the wrong thing thing to her, and she will out you on her blog, or worse.
Let us know if you survive. She may bite your dick off.
Please explain why you all are on other blacklist websites? I don't just put anyone's stuff up there for nothing. I have gotten a lot of phone calls and not everyone's is up there so please explain why you are on other blacklist websites?
Check out this video:
In it she calls herself "Raven", but sure looks like her......