I would have thought some of the regular ladies who make TER's LA DB what it is, as well as the lurkers and alias dudes would jump on the opportunity to give their take, experience and advise on the recent thread discussing BBFS.
Yet I did not notice a single post from a lady giving a providers insight and perspective onto the topic. What we got, was a load of guys clamoring to know the name of the girls referred to by other posters.
This issue involves all of us, providers and hobbyists alike. I still would like to hear the ladies chime in with their views in the hope that we have an informative discussion as adults.
Beemer
I agree with you , as a matter of fact I posted on the previous the need to have the ladies' take on the subject.
I do not hold much hope that your post will inspire an honest discussion, because to be honest I came bbfs with independent home browns before I got into the K-doll scene , and so I do not expect those who engage in this dangerous behavior to come clean.
Thanks for posting and let's hope I am wrong, and an adult discussion without getting too personal can develop.
I would have thought some of the regular ladies who make TER's LA DB what it is, as well as the lurkers and alias dudes would jump on the opportunity to give their take, experience and advise on the recent thread discussing BBFS.
Yet I did not notice a single post from a lady giving a providers insight and perspective onto the topic. What we got, was a load of guys clamoring to know the name of the girls referred to by other posters.
This issue involves all of us, providers and hobbyists alike. I still would like to hear the ladies chime in with their views in the hope that we have an informative discussion as adults.
Beemer
but I do know one of the ladies who's reviewer suggested he got bbfs called it bullshit and I believe her over the reviewer.
Well, I hope that they do at least chime in. It is as much their issue as it is the hobbyists. I know that the Kgirls wont chime in but that is par for the course (but one can always hope). I would at least like to hear from the home grown ladies if possible.
Beemer
I realize that this topic will not be the be all end all of all the TER topics but hope that there is at least a dialog on it that doesn't turn into a PM fest for names or whatnot.
Beemer
What she posted was simple and to the point and something ALL PROVIDERS would agree with.
Did you miss it?
There is not much to add and its hard for them to discuss it. If they post a view strongly against it and state they are taking names of guys that engage it, they will be out of business. If they state they are open to it with conditions, they will lose business. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.
Hmm....I guess I did miss it..Will look back for it....
Beemer
I knew ladies, as well as guys, weren't going to be thrilled to discuss it. BBFS is still a taboo subject, having been discussed privately through the years. It's just becoming mainstream, but people still hold to their personal judgments on it.
To me, it doesn't matter who talks about it, but the fact that it is being discussed. I've allowed it to be discussed once or twice on the pubs before the BBFS survey, as long as people understood the guidelines I've imposed to prevent it from getting out of hand. I'm sure you know how the ladies will probably respond if they felt comfortable enough to discuss it. It happens.
-poet
Many of my gfs have made lists of TER guys whom they will not see aftering reading the responces to the BBFS thread.
Some of guys fail to realize that we as providers have the choice to turn down clients who wish to see us for any given reason. Personal preference & I am sure beating a dead horse, or re-posting about it does not help.
Guys communicate too , to compare experiencces , compare notes and identify nightmare providers to avoid.
Most of the posts on the bbfs thread were against the practices and if you take them at their word wanted to know who the providers are to avoid them. Why would many of your gfe will not see guys who are health conscious ?
Irrespective of how many wish to sweep this topic under the carpet , I have a feeling it is going nowhere other than becoming a fixture on the board.
Some of guys fail to realize that we as providers have the choice to turn down clients who wish to see us for any given reason. Personal preference & I am sure beating a dead horse, or re-posting about it does not help.
I would have thought some of the regular ladies who make TER's LA DB what it is, as well as the lurkers and alias dudes would jump on the opportunity to give their take, experience and advise on the recent thread discussing BBFS.
Yet I did not notice a single post from a lady giving a providers insight and perspective onto the topic. What we got, was a load of guys clamoring to know the name of the girls referred to by other posters.
This issue involves all of us, providers and hobbyists alike. I still would like to hear the ladies chime in with their views in the hope that we have an informative discussion as adults.
Beemer
What the OP was specifically asking for thoughts of the ' regular ladies who make TER's LA DB
what it is, as well as the lurkers and alias dudes would jump on the opportunity to give their take, experience and advise on the recent thread discussing BBFS.'
K-dolls are too busy working even those who speak English do not have the luxury to participate.
It is understandable if the ladies feel reluctant to say anything and decide to abstain from participating even-though they can make a unique contribution to the discussion.
With TER's policy change this issue will become more common sight on the board than the obligatory " how can I get through the screening of Korean bookers' so we need to get used to it.
I would have thought some of the regular ladies who make TER's LA DB what it is, as well as the lurkers and alias dudes would jump on the opportunity to give their take, experience and advise on the recent thread discussing BBFS.
Yet I did not notice a single post from a lady giving a providers insight and perspective onto the topic. What we got, was a load of guys clamoring to know the name of the girls referred to by other posters.
This issue involves all of us, providers and hobbyists alike. I still would like to hear the ladies chime in with their views in the hope that we have an informative discussion as adults.
Beemer
It has not been discussed in a meaningful way or with substance as it relates to the LA scene , we know it has always existed among the independent providers and we have now seen a couple of posts by guys claiming they have encountered it with k-dolls.
In the last year, there have been 76 posts on "BBFS", 150 on "BBBJ", 23 on "Bare Back" and 10 on "Bareback".
That doesn't include the posts that used some other euphemism for not using a condom, like calling it a rain coat. Nor does it count the TER home page user survey on the subject. And then there's the discussion on the GD Board, but that's not LA specific.
I guess I've been here too long, because if you multiply those numbers by the number of years on TER (in my case 12), you get "topic fatigue".
The solution is simple. Wear a condom.
in a thread like this, the only relevant information is in the reviews, assuming some hint of BBFS is given.
The discussion board threads, therefore, can only consist of people tsk, tsking, and everyone agreeing it's a really bad idea and condoms should be used. I guess that's why I'm burned out on the subject. But I'll admit, for a lot of newer guys, it's something they need to be aware of, and maybe haven't seen discussed before, so I'll just move on to the next topic.
I think that no matter how many times this issue is brought up, there's nothing to uncover. It's not okay, it's unsafe, and we all know this. I've gotten pushed to do it a handful of times, and made to feel like I was being unreasonable and uptight for saying no (by hobbyists from more than one site too), but we as providers are the ones making the choice to set boundaries and stick with them or to cave in to earn a little extra cash. I keep my side of the street clean, that's the best I (or any of us) can do.