But read my reply to BB.

So now we are going to attempt to paint another broad brush and insinuate that the K-Girls are trafficked and forced into this business. That smokescreen won't work either. Please don't insult our intelligence by masking your rant into a "just curious little ole me" post.

I personally have known a dozen or more K-Girls who have supported their families abroad and had become college educated here. Not all of them have stayed in the "business" One of my ATF's has a beauty and nail salon and I know several who are successful in the business world.

You and the other girls should concentrate on you own business and not worry about someone else. Period, the end.

So now you want us to believe that your original post is a safety issue, and that you are so concerned about the K-Girls that you just had to post today??

I don't write what you think is required. I write what I think is required. You may now skip my post.

I can only speak from firsthand experience on this matter. The same issue has been brought up years ago about many of the girls working in old AMP scene. It’s basically the same thing for more money and in an apartment. Now I am not saying that mine and my friends experience is the standard; but a few that I have either dated or befriended over the years have told me similar stories. A few were recruited from local fashion/vocational schools, (drive by one and see how many stunning young Asian girls there are), colleges and some from nail and beauty salons. These girls drive themselves to their school and work, a few have nice imports and some take cabs. The ones me and friends have known all either completed their education and moved back to their country or stayed here to start a business. I know a few that own nail and beauty salons as well.

Next time you go in for your mani and pedi, mamasan may have started as a K girl or the girl doing your nails may be a working K/C/V girl. One Chinese girl I knew worked at a Vietnamese nail salon. Ever see a nail girl with implants? I have and guess what; she didn’t get those working off the tips from working there or to have them to show off at the salon either. Also I know one ex AMP girl that moved to SF and has two salons with the money she made from working; she has an older mamasan a type running the day to day operations. Overall these girls seem to have an end game in mind and again just from my experiences; many do really retire and start new life from the proceeds of this business.

There was a bust in the San Gabriel Valley (maybe two years ago); it started as an investigation into trafficked girls, well the local cops found out that was not the case. The Asian girls working this agency were all coming and going on their own. They joined for many reasons, some to help pay school while others needed money to support the family. In the end they busted the agency for many other things but none related to trafficking of girls.

Back in the day I also befriend and dated one or two of the Russian girls, same thing. Some were not here because they wanted but some were. I recall one of her roommates ended up retiring to marry a client. I dated mine for a year before she said goodbye. She started a real estate business; again with the proceeds from working.

So are all these girls trafficked, no. Are some, maybe and we know that it happens. I think it happens more in smaller cities and within their own communities. An example is there are Asian houses I have been told that will not allow non-Asians to visit. They only advertise in their own language newspapers and listen to your accent and inflections.

Same goes for the Latinas, except they seem to have a less entrepreneurial spirit. They prefer to settle down either in their country or back home, the good ones at least.

But no matter what, people can be corrupted by the money which leads them down a dark path. Some will work too hard and burn out, but still work past their burn out. This is dangerous. Also I do not stand for trafficking of humans, which I also include pimps as part of that problem. Just because he has an escalade, with twenty inch rims, says he is rap star yet to be signed and says your (he) daddy loves you, does not mean he is not trafficking you. He is. They also need to be dealt with.

Brennan's post and the resulting replies has inspired me to post about an aspect of the K-Girls that I've long wondered about. I don't care who see who or at what price range. Everyone has their personal likes and dislikes and that's the beauty of this site... the search function let's you select your preferences with the same ease as ordering a pizza. Sad analogy to liken myself to fast food, but c'est la vie. My question with the K-Girls is with the structure of these operations.

Are these girls independent? I am truly uneducated about the K-girl scene. I know a few ladies that are well known on the board are true independents but from what I read in the threads... much of these operations sound more like sex trafficking then girls willingly earning a living. The bookers, the security, the turnover, the young ages of the girls. At first blush, I look at these situations and immediately think these girls are being pushed into the sexwork industry and that the girls themselves see a significantly small portion of the revenue they generate.

For you gents that frequently visit K-Girls, can you enlighten me? I'd love to hear that my impression is dead wrong. I'm a big believer in the honest and simple nature of this industry, but the idea of young girls being pushed into this industry turns my stomach.

and the high horse you rode in on. There are many on these boards that will confirm I am not an instigator nor do I insert myself into others business and that I do not engage in vile board behavior. But in this case, I find your response truly offensive and unnecessary.

Your first paragraph is nothing more than rude and ignorant. Your second paragraph was actually germane to the discussion and was all that was required.

My query wasn't a smokescreen, it was an honest question. Nor was it a rant... THIS is a rant. I did read your posts to Brennan's thread and they appear to be nothing more than vile spewing. "stop your whining and blaming"; "run some damn specials"; "lower your rates" and my favorite "step up your fucking game"... if "stepping up" means dealing with clients with attitudes like yours - I'll stay down here on this step, thank you. Your responses sound much like a petty child that cannot get what he wants so he reacts with a temper tantrum. If you enjoy seeing K-girls - power to you... I'm not going to be your type and that's perfectly fine. This site is all about personal tastes. But it's also about allowing individuals of both genders to maximize their experience by providing information.  

As for "mind my own business" - I usually do. However the forced involvement of a woman into this industry is MY business. If a woman in this industry gets raped, beaten or, God forbid, killed... it is MY business. Sex trafficking puts all of us at risk. I honestly don't think LA LE gives a damn about the private actions of individuals, but they do care about operations that force women into the industry. I will "worry about someone else" because the ladies in this industry are my professional sisters and I feel an obligation to do whatever I can to ensure their safety. That's why there are blacklists and ladies only boards... to aid in keeping providers safe.

You may not give a damn about anyone's safety, but I sure as hell do.

Oh here she goes.  Rationalizing your insinuations in the form of concern for the porr Kgirls  I think you protest a little too much.   Typical mud slingging towards the competition.  

Nice try Mother Monet Teresa!

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Funny how guys think we're in competition when we are constantly giving each other client referrals and sharing information thru blacklists, the PO board, etc.

Trust me when I say, there are plenty of hard dicks to go around!  Lowering my rate would still not put me in the K-girl or any other ethnicity range, I'm a blonde with big tits, no matter what I charge or where I work.  IF I were jealous or competing I absolutely WOULD lower my rates in a heartbeat rather than not have my bills paid and maintain my lifestyle.  I have done a special when I needed to and again, no shame in that.  When I have been asked about a lower rate I usually reply that if time and circumstance allow I will let you know, I'm still as busy as I'd like to be. Although admittedly August sucks in general...but hey, it doesn't matter what kind of bait you wiggle if there are no fish, there're NO FISH!  

BB

I would tend to agree with her!  She is quite the intelligent LADY, in every sense of the word.  I can guarantee you her posts are not of a negative nature.

I have seen a few "K-girls" and I will tell you this Miss Lyon,  Sometimes it was a rush to be with a young lady that was readily available and spoke very little Engrish ( English).  Text a booker and within a 15-45 minutes have a appointment.  My schedule was rather hectic so it was rather convenient for me.  Too many times it was hard to commit to a provider to a special date and time.

I had seen a few more than twice.  None were ATF material, some where rather funny and I found it surprising I could communicate with them.  One gal pulled out a family album and shared her life with me.  I never asked her reasons why she did what she did.  I don't ask that of English speaking providers.

Lastly I do agree with Miss Lyon.......FUCK YOU AND YOUR HIGH HORSE ALIAS YOU RODE IN ON!!!  

A HO IS A HO IS A HO.  JESUS.
THANK GOD AND BUDDHA FOR HOES.

I am not the one who started all the posts over the last few days weeks seeking "best Asian bbbj", etc.

In fact I replied to that one that I have blown a few Asians, does that count?   It isn't MY niche and that is why I made the suggestion of their own board.  I have no idea why the hell it's so divided or what they do different, I personally thought a whore is a whore is a whore myself.  

Now,  a guy looking for any old hooker that gives a good bbbj isn't seeking a specific ethnicity, he's looking for good plain old fashioned blow jobs, right?  But I don't think having a preference is racism, just personal taste, I assume.

BB

I'm not really that familiar with the K-girl scene--I knew more about the Eastern Europeans, so long ago. But it seems that the main concern with LE about sex trafficking in America is concerning underage girls and illegal immigrants who are essentially imprisoned in some room. That doesn't seem to fit the profile of most K-girls reviewed in TER. Undoubtedly there is trafficking here in California, and usually when it is found, it's in pretty horrific conditions. But it seems that if you are providing foreign-born Asians to (mostly) native-born Americans, a pretty risky business in itself, you don't want to add to your vulnerability to the law with sex slavery.

Use the search engine this topic has been discussed many times in the past and I'm sure you will be better informed of the subject of human trafficking . Given your genuine concern there are several advocacy groups who would love having your support.

Based of the K-girls I have seen, they all seem free , willing and see benefits in doing the work they are doing. Still human trafficking is a contemporary problem that needs serious discussion and elimination.

That having a separate board for K-Girls would be a benefit to everybody.  That way, u don't have to wade thru the other posts for your favorite K-Girl discussion.  Seems to me everybody wins.  It isn't prejudice, it isn't racism.  Thats just my opinion.

As far as ladies being threatened by K-Girl rates and such, please.  A lady is going to charge what a lady is going to charge.  If her business is suffering because of rate, then she makes adjustments.  Guys are going to see K-Girls because thats what they like.  Period.  And guys are going to see ladies like Monet or BB cuz they are cool with the rate, they want a GFE, and they overall provide the service the guys are looking for.  For me, K-Girls don't do a thing for me.  So, I don't care what rate they charge.  I would never see one.

I have known Monet and BB for a few years.  They are both top ladies in this biz.  Believe me, they don't feel threatened by K-Girls at all.  They have many many clients.  To beat the hell out of both of them is just silly.

Anyway, my two centavos.

Bond

Lima6, Monet had a valid question/concern, so do me a favor, if you can't add to the discussion just shut it.

I don't doubt they come here willingly but as soon as they are here they engaged in illegal activities "sex work"..I think they come here as visitors or students and under immigration laws neither categories is allowed to work. The bookers perfectly know that it is called Trafficking(they do not have to be beaten or kept against their will to be trafficked)

Most people here think that trafficking is keeping someone against his/her will and profit from him/her but Trafficking is to arrange a person to travel to another country/state for the purpose of pursuing an illegal activity. Maybe most here do not want to face reality but that is exactly what is happening here and it does not happen to kgal only but to all races.

Getting involved in prostitution is illegal to citizens , resident aliens , and illegals alike. It  does not  necessarily mean human trafficking which has a legal definition.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking

Majority of K girls do come here voluntarily. Sometimes brokers introduce these girls to house owners here in US.  What these brokers are doing can be classified as trafficking by the government.  It is not like these girls are trafficked in shipping containers or anything like that.  

House owners provide places to work, pay for advertising, pay for phone operators, and provide other things.  In exchange, they get a share of donations.  In most cases, girls keep more than 50%.  Some K girls do live here locally and some are here for only a couple of months since a visa is needed for more extended stay here in US.   A few local K girls have gone independent and pays rent and phone operators.

K houses figured that reasonable donation and young attractive girls who can please men well will produce most economic results.  How many guys can afford $500 local escort vs $250 K girls especially with current state of economy?  It is simply a matter of supply and demand.

It behooves us guys to heed such wise ladies.
* On the issue of trafficking, there have been TV shows that discussed that. Two came to mind that you can find by Google. One on CNBC called "Dirty Money", another on ABC Nighline with words like "Human Trafficking" in the title. They interviewed authorative female professors on the topic. The general conclusion I heard was that trafficking occurs in all races, incl. young white American girls lured by pimps with all kinds of tricks. The trafficked girls are mostly used in 3 kinds of venues: strip clubs, truck stops and MP's. The price range is usually in the 50 to 100, in a kind of assembly line approach.
* I have seen some K girls and found them to all work thru agencies, with apptmts handled by bookers, some of whom represent 6 to 10. The convenience with this set up is that at last minute they can always find one for you, or refer you to another booker.
* Speaking for my special situation, I now mainly see Asian girls because I am a very small guy who finds their small anatomy compatible. I do dream about tall blondes, but had 2 not ideal experiences, due to non-compatibility in anatomy. I miss out and blame my own short-cuming. (lol)
* I like Brennan's idea of a separae Bd, because of the many threads that are of no interests to people who don't give a damn about K's or A's.

While it may be a good idea -- and I think it is -- nothing from TER indicates they'd go for it.  That said, if the separate K/Asian Board does not come about, the simple solution for hobbyists and providers alike who do not have any interest in the KGal/Asian scene is, DON'T READ THE POSTS!  I mean, what's the big deal.  If the post is marked to indicate it is about KGals, don't click on it.  And if the post is not clearly marked, and you read a few words and realize it is about KGals, leave the post!  I mean, the argument that there should be restrictions on posts is absurd.  

Don't like it?  Don't read it!  SIMPLE!  RT Befuddled & Out

This sounds much like any agency out there, give or take the houses to reside in. So long as they are free to leave without repercussion, then it seems voluntary to my mind.

Thank you again for responding informatively.

I have been a hobbiest for over a decade and had similar concerns regarding the trafficking. There is some truth to a girl getting conned into a possition where she has to sell her body for money. There are many different reasons, but they are not kidnapped and brought her forced into this life. Most want to come to the us, many are Flirty and adventerous to begin with, most have unrealistic expectations of what their life will be like. Some develop addictions and psychological issues, and some find a way to save the money they make and create a new life for themselves. Very few find love, but it happens.

From what I have seen in the la kgirl citivibe girls, none of them are being forced. Many of them think the will make a lot more money doing this than anything else they can do. Some may be former models who didn't make money or find a Guy to take care of them, or their sugar daddy dropped them and they choose this path to make money.

One more point, I don't think any of these girls are as young as people are saying. They have just aged well. You may be surprised at how old some really are, but they still look young and beautiful.

Bottom line, they are people just like anyone else, and many have very tasty pussies.  I'd recommend you try one or two if you are curious

I understand your sentiment.

But one could argue that by that legal definition damn near every wall street corporation that brings in a hot shot money manager on a work visa is guilty of trafficking -- they're just better at hiding how illegal most of their activities are

They are not here on a work visa...you think the migra give visas for sex work...

Posted By: Monet Lyon

I understand your sentiment.

But one could argue that by that legal definition damn near every wall street corporation that brings in a hot shot money manager on a work visa is guilty of trafficking -- they're just better at hiding how illegal most of their activities are

I think you might have missed an important concern for these ladies who have my sympathy. These K-girl threads have taken a lot of space on these pages, thus pushing providers’ ads into 3rd or 4th pages. Most readers probably pay attention to the 1st couple pages, kind of like in a Google search. In a sense the K’s are undocumented aliens taking up exposure at the expense of Americans.  Of course I don’t blame the K’s either. It’s exactly analogous to the national economy of outsourcing at the expense of full employment. Should we blame China for our 9% unemployment?

I totally agree with you on that! I feel like the ads should be an entirely different section by itself. I thought that this section was for discussion, but then again, LA region is so general I guess anything applies, even ads.

Many Kgirls go back to Korea to visit their families and return to the USA for a second tour of duty.  This is not a sign that they are being forced to enter this profession but a willingness to work and earn lots of roses

I have to admit that I'm a little confused. This is a forum, for the exact purpose of discussions like this which make it lively again, but I never understood what all these ads were doing here. I think there should be an ad board.

Are you really this ignorant? These girls are here on either tourist or student visas. The main problem that I see here is that fake concern over niches or k girls not contributing to the forums blah blah blah. Human trafficking is no joke but when you minimize it to the extent of making it an issue involving the kgirls specifically. Where was the concern a month ago? Why don't you establish a fund to combat the trafficking. It is sad when you try to hide behind it to hide the real agenda. Why don't you clean yourself your apartment/condo, and step up your game.

I am glad that the kgirls don't post here because honestly they don't need to.. They get all the business they need and don't even need the advertising because you just played into their game. Don't think these women are some dumb foreigners because the k girl legends would blow you guys out of the water without breaking a pretty little nail. They work hard for their money, and suffer the consequences as well but do they whine about the boards? Nope becuase they don't need to.

These women are smart, business savy, and have a support network you wouldn't believe. So before someone shouts at me for riding on my high horse, take a look at your own and STEP UP your game. This board is for discussion but majority of the time I see ads which bring no useful purpose. So why don't we just have a separate board for the non k girls becuase ultimately with out the kgirl topics the LA board (bored?) Becomes nothing more than a giant ad.

Instead of saying let the Kgirls have their own sub page and lets be honest and say let's just marginalize them instead becuase we are jealous. Nobody wants to admit it, I really don't care what people will thinl of me here because either way, I will still be in control of who I spend my money on.

So let's cut the crap and just admit what is going on here: pure simple petty jealousy. Sorry if one Kgirl superstar makes about 25k a month and nearly over 3 mil since she started. Tell me who has to have an ad?


Beemer

Ps muah to all my kgirls (yes I am biased)


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The ads deserve and should their own page , making this an only discussion page. the number and frequency of the  ads push the discussion threads to the second and third pages before we get a chance to see them.

Irrespective of the legal status of the K-girls they are providing a most needed social service. You may want to note of the K- girls are permanent residents , citizens by birth or naturalization.    

It is best not to generalize  or throw blanket statements.

because the manager would be a lot more discreet.  So maybe a little tooobsessed?  That high horse is getting so high must go by the name Pegasus.  And really what's the point of dropping ATF's earnings.  Is that any of your or our business?  Must make great bedroom conversation.  I suggest maybe you're running your mouth just a bit too much.